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cheetah7071 posted:It's gonna be Stamets My money is on Cornwell.
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Jan 10, 2018 10:03
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Applewhite posted:Actually we’re in the mirror universe RN. HTH Wait, he ate the eggs?!? How the hell did I miss that?
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Jan 10, 2018 10:28
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cheetah7071 posted:It's gonna be Stamets A sinister, deviant, hetrosexual Stamets!
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Jan 10, 2018 11:03
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Gonz posted:Wait, he ate the eggs?!? How the hell did I miss that? https://noisey.vice.com/en_us/article/6wnmbr/i-made-the-smash-mouth-guy-eat-a-poo poo-ton-of-eggs Although my favourite part of the whole thing (and I wish I could find the GIF) is when Smashmouth makes Fart eat the eggs and sort of does a little dance behind him to show how not-owned he was. Well played Smashmouth, well played.
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Jan 10, 2018 11:40
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I enjoyed it. It was campy and I was looking forward to what happened next, which was good! It still feels really 24 though. Thankfully like someone said earlier that fits really well in the mirror universe. The show seems so much like it's set up as an anthology though. I know that was floated originally but it has all these things that are slowly being revealed. How will it work next season? It'd be nice to actually see and feel the klingon war happening as it's so disconnected from everything right now. Even in the mirror universe the Shenzou was able to talk to them from wherever it was and turn up really fast. It makes the galaxy feel small as hell.
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Jan 10, 2018 11:43
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cheetah7071 posted:It's gonna be Stamets That would explain "don't go to the palace" very cutely I suppose.
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Jan 10, 2018 13:18
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G-Spot Run posted:That would explain "don't go to the palace" very cutely I suppose.
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Jan 10, 2018 13:39
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G-Spot Run posted:That would explain "don't go to the palace" very cutely I suppose.
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Jan 10, 2018 14:59
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The whole "we have no idea who the emperor is, there are no records" thing is stupid. How could the leader of the terran empire not be common knowledge on every computer system in the galaxy?
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Jan 10, 2018 17:07
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Cojawfee posted:The whole "we have no idea who the emperor is, there are no records" thing is stupid. How could the leader of the terran empire not be common knowledge on every computer system in the galaxy? Maybe he's like the Banksy of totalitarian space government.
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Jan 10, 2018 17:10
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From what im seeing, Discovery could benefit from occasional "Hey, Time Has Passed" bumps as individual episodes progress. Ham handed as that sounds.
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Jan 10, 2018 17:35
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So it's a safe bet at this point that Ash Tyler is Voq, ya? SpeakSlow posted:From what im seeing, Discovery could benefit from occasional "Hey, Time Has Passed" bumps as individual episodes progress. Ham handed as that sounds. Possibly, but it's a nice change for practically every episode to take place seconds or minutes after the last.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:07
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AndyElusive posted:So it's a safe bet at this point that Ash Tyler is Voq, ya? There's nothing to bet on, they've flipped the card already.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:09
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:There's nothing to bet on, they've flipped the card already. I mean every individual way it could be true feels extremely implausible at this point, so you could bet on how.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:15
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The Bloop posted:I mean every individual way it could be true feels extremely implausible at this point, so you could bet on how. 1. his body has been surgically transformed. -> presumably, it was Klingon/Voq before 2. there is no memory engram hidden below his personality -> his current personality is actually the fake one, overlaid on Voq Sure, there'll be a reveal, but how can it anything but this ..?
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Jan 10, 2018 21:22
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I can't see it being anything other than Voq being surgically altered to look like a human and then having Tyler's personality placed over his own. I just wonder how much control Voq has. Is he always stuck in the background, is he aware of what's going on?
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Jan 10, 2018 21:37
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Cingulate posted:Hasn't it been spelled out rather explicitly? Klingon heads are apparently huge for no reason Starfleet medical scans and blood tests are worse than worthless Tribbles like Voq
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Jan 10, 2018 21:44
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Like how the gently caress is there a klingon disguised as a human and a tribble in this show and that is not a plot point. There is either a super clever reveal or it is an IDGAF of epic proportions.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:47
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i mean it's established that the computer and the doctor on the first run looked at a body with each bone broken in the exact same way that happens, coincidentally, to be the exact same as the injuries sustained in massive reconstructive surgery and no where else and went "wow klingon torture is pretty loving specific huh" e: "speak! or we'll break the bone on the other side in exactly the same way!" CoolCab fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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Jan 10, 2018 21:51
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The Bloop posted:If so, Klingon heads are that big to attract a mate. Cojawfee posted:The whole "we have no idea who the emperor is, there are no records" thing is stupid. How could the leader of the terran empire not be common knowledge on every computer system in the galaxy? People stopped taking records after going through 6 emperors in a month. When promotion is based on backstabbing, you don't last long at the top.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:53
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Klingons had a 'virus' which can significantly change the DNA of the host while keeping them alive. They went from Ridges to Ridgeless in that Enterprise episode. Plus they had reference organs of the real Ash Tyler if they needed to swap some parts. Mind/consciousness swapping has been a part of franchise for many multiple stories.
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Jan 10, 2018 21:57
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The Bloop posted:If so, The Bloop posted:Starfleet medical scans and blood tests are worse than worthless The Bloop posted:Tribbles like Voq
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Jan 10, 2018 22:03
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There's a million really stupid things about Voq becoming Ash. But still the one that bothers me the most is Voq is like the head of the Klingon purity faction and should want to remain as purely klingon as possible, more than anything else. Which he then accomplishes by drastically altering his body to pass as human, and loving up his brain so he thinks he's human.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:08
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Thee was a DS9 episode where the crew were surgically to become Klingons so it can be done.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:28
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Baron Porkface posted:Thee was a DS9 episode where the crew were surgically to become Klingons so it can be done. I’m more interested in how they got Tyler’s personality into his head
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Jan 10, 2018 22:33
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Baron Porkface posted:Thee was a DS9 episode where the crew were surgically to become Klingons so it can be done. Yeah, but they just rocked up to a party. It's not like they pretended to be a PoW who got rescued and shot in the attempt and exposed to medical scans.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:38
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The mirror emperor is definitely going to be Georgiou, and Burnham will be the one that has to kill her to save her new friends.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:47
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hooooo-wee can't wait for burnham to get into another knife fight with a space emperor
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Jan 10, 2018 22:50
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Baron Porkface posted:Thee was a DS9 episode where the crew were surgically to become Klingons so it can be done. I mean it was done in TOS too but klingons looked different then and no one was scanning that dude in as a recently-tortured chief of goddamn security. TNG/DS9 tech is so far past these guys that it hardly matters what happens there.
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Jan 10, 2018 22:57
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Chief of Security, Hugh Mann, reporting for duty.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:00
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counterfeitsaint posted:There's a million really stupid things about Voq becoming Ash. I think this is intentionally ironic rather than just being dumb. They did say he would have to be ready to give up everything to get revenge, and he has, he’s given up the elements of his identity that led him to seek revenge in the first place — his klingonness, his albinism, seemingly even his consciousness/personality since he does not seem to have “reactivated” properly and clearly does not really remember being Voq. I am struggling to understand what the point is of surgically turning Voq into a human though. Presumably they did have Tyler’s actual body on hand, or how else could they get their hands on his personality and memories? The episode seems like it’s trying to address this when it brings up the claim that Starfleet has medical tests that can check for hidden personalities and brainwashing, but this doesn’t cut any ice because 1) the test clearly isn’t so comprehensive that it could detect that “Tyler” is an implanted mind and 2) Starfleet also has medical tests that can check for being a secret loving Klingon! What are the writers going for with this that a simple Manchurian candidate plot wouldn’t have accomplished?
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Jan 10, 2018 23:01
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It probably doesn't help that Ash's story is garbage regardless of who he really is. Manufacturing drama and putting his entire ship at risk by lying about his fitness to serve is so tired and worn out.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:06
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Yeah, I don't really get what the plan is for Voq. He "escapes" and makes it back to Starfleet. Then what? He's not a higher up and he's only the chief of security because Lorca randomly decided to make him so. What could he have done as some random star fleet guy?
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Jan 10, 2018 23:08
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Unless Voq/Ash's plan is to destroy the data that Discovery has on how to see past the Klingon cloaking tech before Discovery gets it back to Star Fleet Command?
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Jan 10, 2018 23:11
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AndyElusive posted:Unless Voq/Ash's plan is to destroy the data that Discovery has on how to see past the Klingon cloaking tech before Discovery gets it back to Star Fleet Command? That's pretty prescient to come up with that plan before they even figure out how to do that.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:13
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I hate absolutely everything about Ash. The solider speech during the party, the Michael love thing, the Klingon thing (which this thread predicted quite well actually, from the beginning!), the trite "unfit for command" plot, the mind rape/stealing plot, the macho bullshit from the first moment on, everything everything.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:14
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Cojawfee posted:That's pretty prescient to come up with that plan before they even figure out how to do that. Universal Right Click Delete.
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Jan 10, 2018 23:15
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Voq wants to get revenge on Kol and presumably take over where T’Kuvma left off. I assume he was placed on the Discovery to steal it or at least the spore drive technology so that he can seize back the pride of place in the war effort from Kol. If he has any more concrete motivation, I can’t recall it. At the moment though, he obviously doesn’t know what he is supposed to be doing. e: surprised at all the hate for Ash in this thread tbh. He’s one of the only characters for whom the show successfully builds any pathos. Yeah it’s all PTSD cliches, but compared to whatever crap they are trying to pull with any other character it’s downright masterful.
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At some point Voq will have to snap back in control and cause a bunch of problems. There's really no point to his character otherwise.
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