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It's to sell the comic. That's why he's there.
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I thought Meggan conquered and/or liberated Hell because Brian Braddock ditched her. She came back because Dr. Doom helped a fellow Romani get out so they could shoot vampires at the Moon, or stop them from bombarding Earth from the Moon. One or the other. Both?
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mind the walrus posted:but the panels posted are the finale of the 00s Mystique series
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TheCenturion posted:Which wasn't bad, all things considered, but I can't not remember that she a) is constantly telling people that she's utterly naked, because she never wears clothes, just shapeshifts herself into looking like she's wearing clothes, and b) goes ahead and disrobes out of her standard PVC pants and halter top for a shower scene anyway. Do the pants and top turn back into her skin after she detaches them?
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Jan 10, 2018 14:43
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prefect posted:Do the pants and top turn back into her skin after she detaches them? No.
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Jan 10, 2018 15:01
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That same series points out that the test-tube thing is basically an extension of her making glasses and jewelry. It's not used in a lab or anything, it's just to serve as a decoy for a real test tube. I forget if she can actually make stuff like gold jewelry, or if it would turn out to be shiny cartilage under close examination.
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Nessus posted:I thought Meggan conquered and/or liberated Hell because Brian Braddock ditched her. She came back because Dr. Doom helped a fellow Romani get out so they could shoot vampires at the Moon, or stop them from bombarding Earth from the Moon. One or the other. She was in Hell because she sacrificed herself to allow Captain Britain, Psylocke, and Rachel Summers to hold off the damage to Otherworld caused by the start of House of M. Projective empathy plus continued hope meant she was able to recruit a demon army and liberate large chunks of Hell, because why the hell not? Flash forwards: Dracula is trying to invade the UK with a vampire army, and cuts a deal with Doctor Doom for non-interference. The slight problem is that Drac's a hugely racist prick, and Doom just plain doesn't like him. So, Doctor Doom does as Doctor Doom does, and pulls Meggan (who, like Doom, is Romani) out of Hell in order to gently caress with Dracula. T'be fair, that was just one of the many brilliant "gently caress you Dracula" moments in that series. Another great one:  Captain Britain and MI13 was a loving amazing series.
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Every time I assume you guys must be kidding, you're not.
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davidspackage posted:Every time I assume you guys must be kidding, you're not. Welcome to comic books lol
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Jan 10, 2018 16:57
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Here is the only lie in comic books: "This story wrapped up with a satisfying and enjoyable conclusion that was respected by future writers."
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Jan 10, 2018 16:59
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I'm still not sure DigitalRaven didn't draw that page just to confuse us.
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Jan 10, 2018 16:59
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You should read Captain Britain and Mi13. It’s real good.
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Read Captain Britain and MI13. It's really goddamn good and one of the few times I've ever liked Marvel's vampires.
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ImpAtom posted:Here is the only lie in comic books: You know for decades there were stories you could point to and this would be true. Nobody hosed with Bucky, Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy or Jason Todd for years. There used to be a sacred handful of plots. Was Winter Soldier the first time a company messed with one of the previously untouchable deaths in comics?
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Didn't Red Hood happen at about the same time?
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MikeJF posted:Didn't Red Hood happen at about the same time? It was. To such an extent that for a "Ruin a great moment in comics" someone took the page where we first see the Winter Soldier and replaced it with the Red Hood. And it even perfectly fit with the style of art.
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purple death ray posted:You know for decades there were stories you could point to and this would be true. Nobody hosed with Bucky, Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy or Jason Todd for years. There used to be a sacred handful of plots. Was Winter Soldier the first time a company messed with one of the previously untouchable deaths in comics? What about the Clone Saga in the Spider-man comics? When did that happen? There were a shitload of "Character is back?!" "No, wait, that was a clone!" stories.
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purple death ray posted:You know for decades there were stories you could point to and this would be true. Nobody hosed with Bucky, Uncle Ben, Gwen Stacy or Jason Todd for years. There used to be a sacred handful of plots. Was Winter Soldier the first time a company messed with one of the previously untouchable deaths in comics? biracial bear for uncut posted:What about the Clone Saga in the Spider-man comics? When did that happen? There were a shitload of "Character is back?!" "No, wait, that was a clone!" stories.
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mind the walrus posted:Jason Todd, Gwen Stacy, and Bucky all started happening between 2004-2008, with Jason Todd leading the way. Did Gwen Stacy ever actually come back? They did that absolutely idiotic thing where she had kids with Norman Osborn who grew up super fast, the girl looking exactly like her, but I'm pretty sure main universe Gwen's stayed dead. Like there's a fuckton of clones, alternate versions from other universes, etc are running around but it isn't a Bucky or Jason Todd situation. Isn't there also an evil Uncle Ben from another universe running around somewhere in 616 too?
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At least they let Mar-Vell rest in peace.
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Zore posted:Did Gwen Stacy ever actually come back? They did that absolutely idiotic thing where she had kids with Norman Osborn who grew up super fast, the girl looking exactly like her, but I'm pretty sure main universe Gwen's stayed dead. The Jackal has cloned Gwen several times over the years, but AFAIK the original Gwen has stayed dead. Oh, and if we're talking about theoretically sacrosanct deaths that eventually got undone anyway: Barry Allen.
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Toshimo posted:At least they let Mar-Vell rest in peace. So far
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purple death ray posted:So far I will burn the motherfucker down.
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Toshimo posted:At least they let Mar-Vell rest in peace. They sorta brought him back as a villain briefly in A vs X but it was a clone or something.
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Skwirl posted:They sorta brought him back as a villain briefly in A vs X but it was a clone or something. Are you thinking of when they brought him back around Civil War, but it turned out he was a skrull?
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Jan 10, 2018 21:09
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A Skrull clone for an alternate dimension!
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I'm pretty sure the only people they've actually let stay dead are uncle ben and the Waynes.
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McCloud posted:I'm pretty sure the only people they've actually let stay dead are uncle ben and the Waynes. Thomas Wayne is alive again in DC Rebirth, the current storyline whatever they're doing. Some Pinko Commie fucked around with this message at 21:29 on Jan 10, 2018 |
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They brought him back for real in Chaos War, albeit VERY temporarily. Granted I believe that brief return to life also had him team up with Dr. Druid and Deathcry...
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McCloud posted:I'm pretty sure the only people they've actually let stay dead are uncle ben and the Waynes. Part of the resistance to them is how crucial they are to the origins of the heroes. Bucky was obviously a tragedy for Cap but he has no less reason or drive to be Cap just because Bucky is alive.
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Super Dan posted:Are you thinking of when they brought him back around Civil War, but it turned out he was a skrull? Nah, they brought him back in Secret Avengers during AvX, I haven't actually read the issues, just seen the covers, but for some reason the Avengers were fighting the Kree at the same time because of Phoenix BS so I don't know what the deal was. I don't understand all the Phoenix hate, yes Jean Grey (or a clone or artificial construct whatever that retcon was) committed genocide, but both Rachel Summers and the resurrected Jean Grey had Phoenix powers for years without problems worse than accidently rearranging the molecules of Kitty Pryde's clothing so she looks like a baby.
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Are you presenting us with a double double retcon where Jean Grey actually wasn't absolved of genocide because while it was the Phoenix Force in an artificial construct of her body that committed it, it was in fact the Jean Grey part of that which drove it to genocide because the other people with Phoenix Force powers haven't done that poo poo?
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Ghostlight posted:Are you presenting us with a double double retcon where Jean Grey actually wasn't absolved of genocide because while it was the Phoenix Force in an artificial construct of her body that committed it, it was in fact the Jean Grey part of that which drove it to genocide because the other people with Phoenix Force powers haven't done that poo poo? X-men story lines make me go cross-eyed
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biracial bear for uncut posted:Thomas Wayne is alive again in DC Rebirth, the current storyline whatever they're doing. I'm pretty sure this is wrong, but there might be a few issues I missed somewhere
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McCloud posted:I'm pretty sure this is wrong, but there might be a few issues I missed somewhere It is wrong. The Thomas Wayne in question is the Batman from the Flashpoint alternate universe, who recently showed up for part of an issue.
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Ghostlight posted:Are you presenting us with a double double retcon where Jean Grey actually wasn't absolved of genocide because while it was the Phoenix Force in an artificial construct of her body that committed it, it was in fact the Jean Grey part of that which drove it to genocide because the other people with Phoenix Force powers haven't done that poo poo? No, I was just acknowledging the fact that I don't really understand the original retcon because I haven't read X-Force, and also talking about the resurrected Jean Grey having phoenix powers in Grant Morrison's New X-Men maybe she didn't actually have those and she was just using the name, it's been awhile since I read them and I haven't really read much of the stuff immediately before that.
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Proteus Jones posted:X-men story lines make me go cross-eyed Grand design is trying to provide a fairly straight forward narrative and it still loses me in parts
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nerdman42 posted:
Proteus Jones posted:X-men story lines make me go cross-eyed
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She just wanted to steal the smart kid's cake.
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