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Main Paineframe posted:ok. how about "because the mayor had declared them a public nuisance and was facing political pressure from disgruntled neighbors to get rid of them, so he leaned on the cops to do whatever it took to get rid of them even though they didn't really have a legal justification for it"? The neighbors were just supposed to put up with it because they’re black?
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Platystemon posted:The neighbors were just supposed to put up with it because they’re black? i guess you're right, better torch the building via helicopter bombing while literally hundreds of cops fire machineguns at the building from all directions, which I'm sure is the regular penalty proscribed in the municipal codes for noise violations surely burning down the neighbors' homes will solve their nuisance problems
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Platystemon posted:The neighbors were just supposed to put up with it because they’re black? You should really rethink this line of inquiry. I think its pretty obvious there are options that fall in between "nothing" and "actual war crime" MOVE were annoying and lovely but they weren't domestic terrorists. I feel this thread stands as a good chronicle of how actual terrorists get treated.
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Wow brave stances you have taken re the morality of firebombing. You took down my position on that like it was made of straw.
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Platystemon posted:Wow brave stances you have taken re the morality of firebombing. Yeah how lovely of me. Responding to the thing you just said
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Yeah how lovely of me. The only thing I’ve said about the Philadelphia police in this thread is: Platystemon posted:Philadelphia’s police are far from blameless We were then discussing MOVE’s alleged crimes—or at least I thought we were. I may have been naïve in assuming arguments in good faith.
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Platystemon posted:The only thing I’ve said about the Philadelphia police in this thread is: the police weren't completely blameless in murdering those people over minor municipal violations in a clearly premeditated massacre, but
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The authorities were justified in taking action against MOVE. That action should not have included firebombing. That is my hot take.
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MOVE was annoying the poo poo out of their neighbors by shouting curse words through bullhorns about zoos an other nonsense. The bullhorn was broken for 3 weeks before the bombing. They also kept bad conditions inside the building. They are probably a cult. They were assholes but by that time they were a public nuisance at worst.
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Platystemon posted:The authorities were justified in taking action against MOVE. the authorities would have been justified in giving MOVE a fine anything more than that is pretty clearly abusing the system to harass them
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:there are options that fall in between "nothing" and "actual war crime" You realize the police are incapable of committing an "actual war crime" against another citizen? The term "actual war crime" doesn't even mean anything, even in a war. Even in war bombing a civilian apartment isn't always a war crime.
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this was a pretty good documentary on Move: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Let_the_Fire_Burn Platystemon posted:The authorities were justified in taking action against MOVE. this is a pretty good take.
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:They also killed a police officer* and injured a bunch of other people in an earlier standoff and had been (rumored to be) stockpiling weapons, which may be why their members were gunned down while trying to escape the fire; the cops thought they were hostile and would try to kill officers and innocent bystanders. Every now and then you forget that americans aren't people and then they go and write something like this "the deathsquad said they had good reason to bomb civilians and shoot them as they tried to escape burning to death, so the truth is probably somewhere in the middle"
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Even in war bombing a civilian apartment isn't always a war crime. hey just wanna remind you that if this is your first thought on reading that post you're a loving imbecile, hth
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Even in war bombing a civilian apartment isn't always a war crime. This is true in the context of an attacking force bombing legitimate military targets, and an errant bomb accidentally lands on adjacent civilian housing. Intentionally bombing civilian targets definitely rises to the level of a war crime.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:You realize the police are incapable of committing an "actual war crime" against another citizen? The term "actual war crime" doesn't even mean anything, even in a war. Even in war bombing a civilian apartment isn't always a war crime. yowza
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Geoj posted:Intentionally bombing civilian targets definitely rises to the level of a war crime. Not to police. And they bomb plenty of civilian targets in terms of infrastructure. Targeting a civilian owned bridge or building isn’t always a war crime. War crime has a specific definition. Main Paineframe posted:yowza Please explain how the police are capable of committing war crimes in their own country
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you heard it here first, folks. a government can't wage war or anything similar to it on its own citizens
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Eox posted:you heard it here first, folks. a government can't wage war or anything similar to it on its own citizens Never said that, but thanks for putting words in my mouth. I said the police can’t commit war crimes, which is true.
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This sounds like an insanely good semantic hair to try to split. Poppyseed is the kind of dude who sprints into a comment thread about a mass shooting to huff out some "Well actually it was a 100-round drum magazine the shooter used on the toddlers at that pre-school, not a 'clip' you buffoon. you absolute dullard."
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:Not to police. And they bomb plenty of civilian targets in terms of infrastructure. Targeting a civilian owned bridge or building isn’t always a war crime. War crime has a specific definition. sorry, this isn't the "insufferable semantic nitpicking for obnoxious pedants" forum. might wanna go up a level for that
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Pac-Manioc Root posted:Poppyseed is the kind of dude who sprints into a comment thread about a mass shooting to huff out some "Well actually it was a 100-round drum magazine the shooter used on the toddlers at that pre-school, not a 'clip' you buffoon. you absolute dullard." I'm opposed to gun rights, although nice attempt at putting more words in my mouth in a very convoluted strawman.
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i've known posters who use similes. they're cowards.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:I'm opposed to gun rights, although nice attempt at putting more words in my mouth in a very convoluted strawman. *reads this post back to you in a mocking nerd voice (which I assure you is Very Different from my regular voice) to imply that you are a nerd, and that is what you sound like*
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Language is a communication tool and sometimes you gotta read the room and interpret what people say. It’s a two way street. We call this street: Joinder
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A civilian can’t commit a war crime against another civilian, especially in the absence of a war (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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here, you're gonna need this if you want to keep posting
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Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:And you’re right that MOVE was “actually really lovely”. Their house was filthy and filled with vermin that spread to neighboring houses, which MOVE refused to do anything about because of their crazy views on animal rights despite it creating a health hazard for neighbors. Dr. Gitmo Moneyson posted:It doesn’t justify the 60+ other houses that got burned down, either. On the upside, burning down all the houses got rid of the vermin. No more worries about rats in the pantry.
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Poppyseed Poundcake posted:I'm opposed to gun rights, 
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:Probably time to close this thread gently caress that I’mma dig a poo poo pit we’re in for the long haul
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Capntastic posted:gently caress that I’mma dig a poo poo pit we’re in for the long haul this is just a ploy so people mail you free dildos i'm on to you
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Shalebridge Cradle posted:this is just a ploy so people mail you free dildos We can share. There’s some that are made to share.
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lookin' for that sweet 55 gallon drum of lube
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Capntastic posted:gently caress that I’mma dig a poo poo pit we’re in for the long haul Hey. Hey buddy. You want somma this? *opens dishelved trenchcoat, revealing bags of sugar-free gummy dicks*
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Significant Ant posted:Branch Davidians set fire to their own compound i highly doubt that
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:i highly doubt that They did. They also shot a large number of women and children before doing so. Waco was a mass suicide.
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:i highly doubt that Avatar/post combo
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