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doverhog posted:I really don't agree with this reading. Saruman clearly and unequivocally failed. He essentially became a servant of Sauron. He only failed so utterly due to Gandalf. His forces were growing, Rohan was under his control, and he very nearly gained the ring at Amon Hen. Had he done so he might have mastered it (both Galadriel and Gandalf considered themselves broadly capable, at great cost). Capturing the wrong Hobbits, losing Rohan, and the rise of the Ents crippled his power base in ways that had nothing to do with Sauron.
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sassassin posted:He only failed so utterly due to Gandalf. His forces were growing, Rohan was under his control, and he very nearly gained the ring at Amon Hen. Had he done so he might have mastered it (both Galadriel and Gandalf considered themselves broadly capable, at great cost). PYF -> PYPHUO: Saruman did nothing wrong
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Saruman is a capitalist oligarch, abusing the labour and industry of the disenfranchised lower classes (orcs, hillmen) for his personal gain.
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Jan 9, 2018 10:38
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We Know Catheters posted:LOTR is boring it really is. Lord of the Rings is boring, the characters in Harry Potter are terrible, and Star Wars is a very shallow, boring universe.
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A lot of Harry Potter feels like a ripoff of Road Dahl books
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Mu Zeta posted:A lot of Harry Potter feels like a ripoff of Road Dahl books It's the loving descriptions of food. See also: Redwall.
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Guy Goodbody posted:it really is. Lord of the Rings is boring, the characters in Harry Potter are terrible, and Star Wars is a very shallow, boring universe. Star Wars is full of Kung fu, space, magic, explosions, and laser swords. Don't go thinking you're better than that, because it's all anyone ever needs.
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ToxicSlurpee posted:The other reason Gandalf's plan worked is that hobbits were hard to corrupt. He picked them for ring bearers and let Bilbo keep it for that long on purpose. Bilbo didn't really use the ring after he went home and only started to get screwed up by it when he used it during his going away party. It was safe in Hobbitton. Bilbo ends up being the first person to willingly give the ring away. Sam ends up doing the same thing later while Frodo managed to keep it from corrupting him until the very, very end of the journey. And then Sam just rejects it because that’s way too much garden for one person to tend! sassassin posted:He only failed so utterly due to Gandalf. His forces were growing, Rohan was under his control, and he very nearly gained the ring at Amon Hen. Had he done so he might have mastered it (both Galadriel and Gandalf considered themselves broadly capable, at great cost). My understanding is that the end result of this strategy would have just ended up with Saruman replacing Sauron as the evil Angel-like being.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It's the loving descriptions of food. nothing compares to redwall when it comes to food descriptions as an American who had never had black currant, I assumed it was squirrel food like acorns or something
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hawowanlawow posted:nothing compares to redwall when it comes to food descriptions I could go for a thick slice of honeyed bread washed down with October ale or strawberry cordial right about now.
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I'm guessing this is an unpopular opinion since the guy gets millions of views on Facebook, etc. but Upchurch is a buck-toothed, walleyed retard.
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what's upchurch
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Olive! posted:what's upchurch This is Upchurch. Prior to this post, I didn't realize he's evidently also a country rap "artist". I'd only seen him in dumb videos on Facebook giving his hot take on current events. https://youtu.be/LgADOXxbdPw
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Oh my god how could anybody watch that. Oh wait, 13 year olds exist, mystery solved.
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Olive! posted:what's upchurch nothing whats upch y'know what nevermind
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hawowanlawow posted:nothing compares to redwall when it comes to food descriptions Actually reading the Redwall cookbook was kind of disappointing cause it could never live up to post-war Brian Jacques recreating his dreams of food from the the rationing era in the most mouth watering ways possible
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Dark Souls PvP is universally garbage and you should be able to ignore it without penalty. Even alt-F4ing when you get invaded is too much of a hassle.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Dark Souls PvP is universally garbage and you should be able to ignore it without penalty. Even alt-F4ing when you get invaded is too much of a hassle. I guess it's good you can ignore it without penalty then. terrible opinion though Dark Souls PVP rules.
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veni veni veni posted:I guess it's good you can ignore it without penalty then.
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fruit on the bottom posted:My understanding is that the end result of this strategy would have just ended up with Saruman replacing Sauron as the evil Angel-like being. Yeah. His failure was of a spiritual nature. The wizards were never supposed to rule over anyone, and certainly not to raise their own orc armies. If he had actually gotten the Ring and taken over Sauron's dark empire that would've been the ultimate failure.
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Gandalf has a ring of power for all of the Hobbit and LotR, which is another thing that is buried in the appendices / you only find out right at the end.
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We Know Catheters posted:LOTR nerds are insufferable Being a LOTR nerd is not even close to being the most insufferable thing about me. 
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Gandalf has a ring of power for all of the Hobbit and LotR, which is another thing that is buried in the appendices / you only find out right at the end.
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mind the walrus posted:Not just that, but it's the Elven "good vibes" ring that makes everyone perk up and be optimistic, which is one of the reasons why everyone in the Fellowship gets all depressed after he "dies." Haha that's amazing
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doverhog posted:Yeah. His failure was of a spiritual nature. The wizards were never supposed to rule over anyone, and certainly not to raise their own orc armies. Racism. All of the Maiar (except Radagast) raise up armies, Gandalf does it by forging relationships with the existing nobility. And by forging relationships I mean bosses people around, conspires with Elves to install a random northerner on the throne of Gondor, and casts spells to drive Theoden into a suicidal frenzy. The films are far less interesting, and also really bad.
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sassassin posted:Racism. being an edgelord about lotr is ten times cringier than being a regular lotr nerd hth
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mind the walrus posted:Not just that, but it's the Elven "good vibes" ring that makes everyone perk up and be optimistic, which is one of the reasons why everyone in the Fellowship gets all depressed after he "dies." Characters need a mood ring to tell them how to feel after the death of their friend, mentor and guardian - an excellent book for the ages.
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We Know Catheters posted:LOTR nerds are insufferable I like to pretend I know what I talk about but in reality I only remember random trivia and the only book I ever read was The Hobbit when I was like 10. I enjoyed the movies though and I think being a LOTR nerd is a lot more acceptable socially than most other fanships now
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hawowanlawow posted:being an edgelord about lotr is ten times cringier than being a regular lotr nerd hth Literary criticism is actually rad as hell.
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Fandoms, for the most part, were and are a mistake.
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sassassin posted:Literary criticism is actually rad as hell. lol yeah I'm sure you really boned up on the material
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hawowanlawow posted:lol yeah I'm sure you really boned up on the material I have read The Lord of the Rings, yes.
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Reading/books/the written word as an artform are all mostly bullshit. Just watch the movies, those are way more fun, you get to see and hear cool things, and it's over way faster.
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Aramek posted:Reading/books/the written word as an artform are all mostly bullshit. Just watch the movies, those are way more fun, you get to see and hear cool things, and it's over way faster. Movies are a bullshit halfway transitional medium just as television is. Video games are the perfected form.
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Doctor Spaceman posted:How? I want to do things like kill bosses, help kill bosses, kindle bonfires, summon friends, etc I open myself up to the possibility of PvP. You said ignore it without penalty, not reap all the benefits of playing online without pvp. You can always play offline and never have to pvp. I don't get why some people hate it so much. Even if you don't enjoy it (no idea how someone doesn't enjoy it but hey) it's at worst a mild inconvenience that sets you back a few minutes if you lose, that you'll only probably only have to deal with a few times in a play through if you aren't seeking it out.
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