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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:
Just as a note here, this is pure rules of giant robot works, not remotely realistic. Modern tanks can swing their turrets around incredibly fast, and, in any work that does this, if you have the technology to build giant robots that agile, you also have the technology to build tanks or tank-equivalents that will near unilaterally win. For CS specifically you can kind of pass it off for obvious reasons - the tech being used is significantly ahead of what the other side has - though given the schizotech that is the Trails series, who knows.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:What. I had to memorize that as well? Anyway, I beat it, finally. Yeppp, that sure is a cliffhanger. All those CIA documents and not a single one about how dope it is that Sharon actually IS ouroboros, but that she's on leave so for now she's helping the good guys. It really puts a pin in the whole thing they talk about in SC that enforcers have complete say over whether or not they are in on a mission and that Weissman warping those rules is what lead to his downfall.
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Jan 11, 2018 05:18
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All those CIA blanks, just to say that Emma is a great friend. Wow guys, stop playing hard to get.
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Jan 11, 2018 05:36
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Also just finished Cold Steel 1 PC. Yeah that loving cliffhanger hahaha.
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Jan 11, 2018 05:39
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One of thing I like in CS2 is that the gundams don't beat tanks in every fight. They're very versatile, effective weapons but with the right tactics, and once the element of surprise is gone, a good commander can use tanks against them and win. That mostly comes from when I first beat CS1 and was slightly worried, for a moment, that the series was going to suddenly just be about giant robots now. Also, glad you went with Alisa Stabbey! that makes, like, uh...... two of us.
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Jan 11, 2018 06:04
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The Doomhammer posted:Also, glad you went with Alisa Stabbey! that makes, like, uh...... two of us. Three.
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Jan 11, 2018 06:13
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I probably would have picked Alisa if Sara wasn't an option. She was though so...
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Jan 11, 2018 06:23
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Alisa may be the canon choice, but I think she's far from the best choice.
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Jan 11, 2018 06:30
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Maybe but she is the best available.
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Jan 11, 2018 06:42
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i am tempted to try the probably bad kiseki gacha game are there any particular hoops i need to jump through account-wise since of regions to dissuade me or is it straightforward regardless
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Jan 11, 2018 06:46
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BearDrivingTruck posted:Three. Four
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Jan 11, 2018 06:47
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Billzasilver posted:Four Five
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Jan 11, 2018 06:51
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So what is the actual point of bonding scenes in CS1? I know for party members it gives some link exp, but could I, for instance, have gotten away with skipping all of Fie's stupid early game bonding scenes where you burn a point to watch her sleep or garden, and just start doing them later on when she starts growing backstory?
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Jan 11, 2018 07:20
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the scenes you see are dependent on when you see them, not how many you've seen before so yes as long as you don't care about the link exp
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Jan 11, 2018 07:22
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The point is to spend time with your friends
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Jan 11, 2018 07:23
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Billzasilver posted:The point is to spend time with your friends I like to think of them as actively choosing not to spend time with Jusis and Machias  (I've been jumping between Alisa/Laura/Emma/Fie. Gaius, Elliot, and Sara are gonna get some hardcore friending in ng+, but jusis and machias are already doomed to free time spent in solitude.)
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Jan 11, 2018 07:37
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you can spend time with everyone in ng+ at least (as long as you choose the option, anyway.)
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Omi no Kami posted:So what is the actual point of bonding scenes in CS1? I know for party members it gives some link exp, but could I, for instance, have gotten away with skipping all of Fie's stupid early game bonding scenes where you burn a point to watch her sleep or garden, and just start doing them later on when she starts growing backstory? Gonna be real with you bro, having done every single bonding scene like all of them are that mundane until the last two-three and imho Fie benefits the most from them since you at least get to see her pushed out of her shell beyond her new BFF.
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Jan 11, 2018 08:18
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six. alisa's good.
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Cake Attack posted:i am tempted to try the probably bad kiseki gacha game I can't believe learning japanese has already become your undoing
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Last Celebration posted:Gonna be real with you bro, having done every single bonding scene like all of them are that mundane until the last two-three and imho Fie benefits the most from them since you at least get to see her pushed out of her shell beyond her new BFF. All I know is that Emma went from "I like this friend, I feel vaguely sorry for her since she has to put up with our moronic asses" to "This friend is the best friend" in about three seconds when she made Rean edit yaoi fanfiction with her.
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Jan 11, 2018 09:09
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Rean knew what he was getting himself into when he decided to spend time with Emma.
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Jan 11, 2018 10:16
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And if he didn't, he sure does now.
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More thoughts on the finale of Cold Steel 1 (major spoilers obviously): - I really, really liked Class VII sheepishly realizing that the instructors as a whole are way more badass than they could have possibly expected. It does help to put relative power into perspective. To that end, I also appreciated that taking on just one of the cheapest models was all Class VII could handle, it took their whole class, and the next stage up was impossible. - The cultural emphasis the Japanese seem to place on forgiveness comes across as strange, even warped at times. Rean and his friends seem willing to want to talk C into going back to their side, apparently forgetting that C, as the ILF leader, is a mass-murderer. There were dead soldiers in Garrellia - soldiers the Thors students met and talked too - dead in bloody pools because of C's actions. C was planning to sacrifice Towa and who knows how many innocent people in his attempt to assassinate Osborne by railway cannon. C killed Osborne. Would Class VII really have just forgotten all that? Should they expect the others hurt in the ILF's schemes to just forgive and forget because Class VII personally likes who they thought C was? Zaggitz posted:All those CIA documents and not a single one about how dope it is that Sharon actually IS ouroboros, but that she's on leave so for now she's helping the good guys. I just found that some combination of confusing and anticlimactic. I mean, she's been working for the Reinford's as a maid/bodyguard for seven years, but was also doing *something* on the side for Ouroboros two years ago? I am really not sure what to make of the whole situation, really. I'll add that I was suspicious of Sharon from the moment of Alisa's Chapter 3 Bonding Event, to the point of suspecting she might be a boss fight. In fact, I still do not think that the matter is settled. In Chapter 6, After learning of Reinford's involvement with missing ore, it did not escape my notice that as Irina Reinford's secretary/aide, Sharon was in a perfect position to manipulate the information Irina sees. I think there's a very good chance that Sharon is responsible for arranging the creation of the 5th Division, or at least had a hand in hiding it from Irina. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 16:55 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I just found that some combination of confusing and anticlimactic. I mean, she's been working for the Reinford's as a maid/bodyguard for seven years, but was also doing *something* on the side for Ouroboros two years ago? I am really not sure what to make of the whole situation, really. Play Trails in the Sky FC, SC, and 3rd. Or if you can't be bothered, it's something that can be figured out within the confines of Cold Steel 1's own story. Two years ago, the Bracer guildhouses in Erebonia were attacked, giving Osborne enough leeway to shut them down afterwards. Terper fucked around with this message at 14:53 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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Jan 11, 2018 14:47
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Persona did not invent that plot convention.
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Nate RFB posted:Persona did not invent that plot convention. Yeah dost thou desire the power made me think xenogears.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- Those are a lot of shoes dropping. Big shoes. See what I did there? That 5th division of Reinford was mentioned ONCE, by a random NPC who thinks 's just a rumor. That's how subtle the game is willing to be with its foreshadowing. It trusts its audience. Cold Steel was my first game and it was this bit where I was like "OK yeah I have to play all of these games now" because I just loved that so so much.
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Jan 11, 2018 15:00
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Guess ys8 is coming to the switch now too.
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Jan 11, 2018 15:06
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Man why couldn't have announced that like ages ago, I would've loved to have bought Ys VIII on the switch.
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Terper posted:Play Trails in the Sky FC, SC, and 3rd. I have played them all. I suppose I never thought about that much because information from Sky SC and Sky the Third suggested that it was just Jester corps of the Jaegers who was responsible, and Campanella implied that he was the only Enforcer involved.. And admittedly by the time I learned in Chapter 4 that Sara is an ex-Bracer, the little scene in Chapter 3 where she suggests encountering Sharon two years ago wasn't really in the front of my mind, so I never connected those things. Nate RFB posted:Persona did not invent that plot convention. Maybe so, but that's probably one of the first places I've seen that, so the comparison is inevitably going to come to my mind, especially when the dialogue seems to specifically invoke it. Right or wrong, I'm just saying that's what my personal first impression was. I've decided to delete the comment, it'll just draw unnecessary complaints. Now that the game is finished, time to check out The Drama CD transcripts! Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 18:28 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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Jan 11, 2018 15:48
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Shocking twist https://twitter.com/endlesshistory/status/951460147725062145
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:More thoughts on the finale of Cold Steel 1 (major spoilers obviously): Basically Osborne is kind of a giant annexing shitlord that has no qualms ruining people’s lives for the greater good, so there’s that. As for the rest, the railway cannon was basically meant to make Osborne look incompetent since they accounted for the blank missiles in the gun and being stopped since Sara and Neithart were supposed to be there. But yeah, doesn’t excuse all the other actual deaths, which is why Crow basically tells them to just give up on him. In fairness all of this poo poo went down in, like, an ingame hour though.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Maybe so, but that's probably one of the first places I've seen that, so the comparison is inevitably going to come to my mind, especially when the dialogue seems to specifically invoke it. Right or wrong, I'm just saying that's what my personal first impression was.
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:Sorry for the CIA document, but well, final chapter, there's a lot of major spoilers. Something taking forever never stopped Falcom before, but I suspect that even after cutting the Ymir vacation intermission out of the game (if you haven't, already, check that one out on the Trails of Cold Steel II website) Falcom was working on a budget and that was the reason they used that particular song during the concert instead of composing three Original songs. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- Gwyn's VA sounds so sinister and sleazy. Well, I guess the later part is intentional, but probably not the former. What's hilarious is probably that Gwyn is arguably the less creepy person of the two. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- Picked Alisa for the bonfire event. I heard that there's an additional person you could ask in NG+, who is that? Picking Elise and Alfin. It doesn't show the actual dances on-screen, unfortunately, though the "cockblock-by-deathglare"-part makes up for that. In fact, I suggest YouTubing all the dance/chat scenes. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- I never would have picked that person as C, and that's even after the Steam Forums actually spoiled that person was shady for me. So I guess that can be called a twist that works, when you are expecting someone to be a traitor and still be shocked in the end. Good to see that Steam discussion didn't completely spoil it. For a nice example of Falcom being a troll, watch the intro movie again. The hint of who that person is appears right before the shot of that person in costume. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- Still though, I kinda would have expected that different person, one who has faced a LOT of assassination attempts, to have taken better precautions. Then again, it was a really long shot. Probably a kilometer or so. Quite possible, but outside the expected range of the normal snipers. Also that different person suspected the traitor was a traitor and knew that person was still alive, so they should have been more careful. Or normal sniper rifles for that matter. In the Chapter 6 ending, Sharon notes that the rifle used to blow up the ship was of unusual make. It's quite possibe that the rifle C used was more advanced than sniper rifles used by the army itself. As for the rest, you'll need to finish Cold Steel II in order to get some additional context here. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- I guess it does make sense how tanks are not a great counter to agile robots, they are meant to shoot other tanks, which are slow. Actually the real question I should ask is how the heck did giant FAST robots get designed, developed, tested, revamped, tested, and deployed from out of nowhere with NO ONE noticing this? That stuff should have taken a lot of work, experts, and resources to develop. They weren't really designed as much as reverse-engineered from Crow's Divine Knight Ordine, which he found with Vita's help. The whole thing with the resources was what the Roer chapter was all about...the Soldats were created with the massive amount of iron ore that was smuggled from the mine. It takes a lot of experts, but the ones behind the creation were essentially a whole political faction with two sub-divisions of a mega-corp at their command. As for nobody noticing, that's where the ILF came in. As independant terrorists, their various acts didn't always make sense. As pawns of the Noble Faction, their primary purpose was kicking up unrest in Eastern Erebonia and on the border in order to hog the attention of the intelligence division so they would be too busy hunting terrorists to notice the construction of the Soldat forces in Western Erebonia. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- One twist which did NOT surprise me was that Clotilde is Ouroboros. I pegged her as an Enforcer from the first meeting in the hotel. I expected that shoe to drop that chapter. I didn't peg her quite as high as an Anguis, though. Back when you commented on Star Door 14 in the 3rd, you already noted that "Pillar Number 2" was a female. It's probably worth rewatching that Door, though you might want to wait for Cold Steel II. Stabbey_the_Clown posted:More thoughts on the finale of Cold Steel 1 (major spoilers obviously): Yeah, the notion that other people on the continent are much, much stronger than you are is one of Kiseki's main schticks. Glad you like it because the next game will be stretching that notion either to or beyond its breaking point, depending on your mileage. :P Stabbey_the_Clown posted:- The cultural emphasis the Japanese seem to place on forgiveness comes across as strange, even warped at times. Rean and his friends seem willing to want to talk C into going back to their side, apparently forgetting that C, as the ILF leader, is a mass-murderer. There were dead soldiers in Garrellia - soldiers the Thors students met and talked too - dead in bloody pools because of C's actions. C was planning to sacrifice Towa and who knows how many innocent people in his attempt to assassinate Osborne by railway cannon. C killed Osborne. Would Class VII really have just forgotten all that? Should they expect the others hurt in the ILF's schemes to just forgive and forget because Class VII personally likes who they thought C was? Well, the whole "no person is beyond redemption"-thing is one of the Trails games' main themes, though I admit C stretches that further than the society's child enforcers, who have blood on their hands, but were hosed-up minors, or Alan Richard, who was an adult but who nevertheless went out of his way to avoid collateral damage much more than C did. You should get used to it, because it's a returning theme in the sequel, even though the party doesn't go as far as to state C shouldn't face consequences for his actions. That said, C wasn't going to sacrifice Towa. Before she escapes at the end of Chapter 5, Scarlet mentions that the party stopping the Railway Guns was actually what C predicted would happen...and C actively contributed to that result. This goes back to the ILF not being independant actors, but bankrolled by the Noble Faction. The attack on Garellia was partially to maintain the ILF's status as a top-priority target for the Intelligence Division to focus on instead of whatever coup preparations were made in the West and possibly also to weaken the Imperial Army divisions stationed there, who were loyal to Osborne's faction. Blowing up Orchis Tower wouldn't have been to the Noble Faction's benefit, since it's hard to instigate a coup and take control of the country when Remiferia, Liberl and Calvard are all waging war on you for murdering their heads of state. (who were also present at the conference) Stabbey_the_Clown posted:I just found that some combination of confusing and anticlimactic. I mean, she's been working for the Reinford's as a maid/bodyguard for seven years, but was also doing *something* on the side for Ouroboros two years ago? I am really not sure what to make of the whole situation, really. Since Sara kept mentioning "that fight two years ago", it's widely assumed that Sharon and Sara were pieces in the proxy-war between Campanella and Cassius Bright two years ago and fought one another at some point. This is why Sara bears a grudge against Sharon, she holds her partially responsible for the decimation of the Guild. The games occasionally play this up for comedy on poor Sara, whose train of thought is probably like: "Okay, I hate this person for her part in ruining my previous employers, but holy poo poo the food and beer snacks she whips up are so goooooood, oh crap I'm conflicted. Falcom apparantly answers a good deal of questions about Sharon in Cold Steel III. Seven. I kind of like Rean's and Alisa's interactions. Erpy fucked around with this message at 20:51 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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That's kind of a surprise. Assuming NISA offered a switch-port as part of the deal from the start, it's easy to see why Falcom jumped ship to them instead of sticking with XSeed, who could only offer PC ports and non-lovely translations.
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Erpy posted:Something taking forever never stopped Falcom before, but I suspect that even after cutting the Ymir vacation intermission out of the game (if you haven't, already, check that one out on the Trails of Cold Steel II website) Falcom was working on a budget and that was the reason they used that particular song during the concert instead of composing three Original songs. That all makes sense. There are probably a bunch of practical reasons not to do that. (I read the Ymir vacation drama transcript this morning.) quote:What's hilarious is probably that Gwyn is arguably the less creepy person of the two. quote:Good to see that Steam discussion didn't completely spoil it. For a nice example of Falcom being a troll, watch the intro movie again. The hint of who that person is appears right before the shot of that person in costume. quote:Or normal sniper rifles for that matter. In the Chapter 6 ending, Sharon notes that the rifle used to blow up the ship was of unusual make. It's quite possibe that the rifle C used was more advanced than sniper rifles used by the army itself. As for the rest, you'll need to finish Cold Steel II in order to get some additional context here. I'll challenge the first part of your statement. Since at the end of Chapter 6, Claire captured the weapon left behind at the mine, so in theory, they should have had a month to study it, even test-fire it, and otherwise learn its capabilities. That said, I'm not foolish enough to just assume the victim is totally dead, never coming back. They are a highly skilled chessmaster, they clearly suspected who the assassin was, and they are certainly smart enough that they can figure out the same thing C figured out - no one will be looking for someone who everyone knows is already dead. quote:Well, the whole "no person is beyond redemption"-thing is one of the Trails games' main themes quote:That said, C wasn't going to sacrifice Towa. Before she escapes at the end of Chapter 5, Scarlet mentions that the party stopping the Railway Guns was actually what C predicted would happen...and C actively contributed to that result. quote:Since Sara kept mentioning [spoiler]"that fight two years ago", it's widely assumed that Sharon and Sara were pieces in the proxy-war between Campanella and Cassius Bright two years ago and fought one another at some point. quote:Seven. I kind of like Rean's and Alisa's interactions. Stabbey_the_Clown fucked around with this message at 03:22 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Zwei 1 is out on the 24th
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Stabbey_the_Clown posted:That's a fair point, although I'm not convinced either way, since I just don't have a grasp on how much knowledge (Chapter 5) the ILF had on Garellia and its procedures, or how the ILF obtained their knowledge in the first place. So statements like "they obviously knew EXACTLY how much time they had to make it look the attempt to fire the guns convincing without appearing to be stalling" lack foundation, at least to me. But oh well, we're not going to learn more about that, so no point thinking about that anymore. The ILF was completely backed by the Noble Alliance. For all intents and purposes, it was the Noble Alliance who attacked the fortress. So the how's and whys are all neatly covered by that.
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