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Mein Kampf Enthusiast posted:Aside from space-folding, do they even have engines or do they literally just fold to a spot in orbit and hang out there without moving at all? I get the impression that the huge ships only fold. They're just to big for anything else to be useful.
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Also in the first book there is a part where Gurney's men just landed from space travel and are complaining about the gravity feeling heavy. So I would assume they travel for a while in space based on that.
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Travel is definitely not instantaneous. yueh tells Paul that he'd have time to study and read the bible during the trip to Arrakis. Also, the spacing guild beings use melange to achieve a small prescience to avoid stars and space debris I guess, so they're subject to natural physics I guess. God I know too much about this dumb book. Listen to Tinarwin, light a spice cigarette and read some dune.
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I read books 5 & 6 (heretics of Dune, Chapterhouse Dune) in Catholic middle school and found "that part," you know the one - where someone (I won't spoil it just in case) is shown the Honored Matre sex techniques, designed to be so hot that they make you into their slave. I read it, then immediately showed it to the next kid. It was something like 2-3 pages of graphic sex, and that book got passed around to everyone in school. I distinctly remember one girl classmate reading it, then looking confused and asking, "what's an erection?" That little section of the book got folded back so many times that if you flip through it today, it stops right at the big sex scene. I was proud to contribute to the education of the entire school that day. God bless, dirty old Frank Herbert.
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Jan 10, 2018 17:26
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lol@ the sausage imagery in that scene
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Oscar Wild posted:Travel is definitely not instantaneous. yueh tells Paul that he'd have time to study and read the bible during the trip to Arrakis. I took that to include all the "get ships and material loaded and secured on the highliner, wait for the guild to do whatever nonsense they do between folds, and the reverse once you fold" time. Plus whatever side trips the highliner makes on the way; the relocation of a major house being just another contract to the guild.
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Might be possible that it is a little of both: they can fold space only so far and need to make small successive jumps. Might explain the prescience so they don't jump into a star or debris sitting on the other side.
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Testikles posted:Might be possible that it is a little of both: they can fold space only so far and need to make small successive jumps. Might explain the prescience so they don't jump into a star or debris sitting on the other side. That's what I usually imagined. They travel at translight speeds, but there's still a vector. I think maybe "fold-space" was not literal in the Dune universe, as it would be if we were talking about astrophysics. Maybe it was his short service in the navy in WW2 or maybe he just liked boats, but it was also cool how the Guild ships were purely off-planet. Built in whatever shapes their architects desired, the downside was that they had to be built in space and couldn't enter a planet's atmosphere without breaking apart from their massive weight. Solution? Frigates and "lighters" just like the kind the old explorers would use to land on beaches while their ships were anchored in the distance. A nice little colonial motif, one of those details that made Herbert's stuff stand out among his contemporaries.
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Communist Walrus posted:I like how Frank Herbert has his own font Now you can have it too!
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phasmid posted:That's what I usually imagined. They travel at translight speeds, but there's still a vector. I think maybe "fold-space" was not literal in the Dune universe, as it would be if we were talking about astrophysics. :yeah!
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Jan 11, 2018 14:21
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Aw gently caress yeah, thanks pal
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Jan 11, 2018 18:17
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Bought Dune because of this thread and reading it for the first time. We had a ton of sci fi that we got at a garage sale but Dune wasn't in there so I never got to it. Half way in and it's great. Amazon's cheap Dune paperback is really narrow which sucks as a book to hold but whatever.
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Sten Freak posted:Bought Dune because of this thread and reading it for the first time. At least it isn't printed on shigawire. That poo poo is deadly.
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Sten Freak posted:Bought Dune because of this thread and reading it for the first time. This is so cool.
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Oscar Wild posted:At least it isn't printed on shigawire. That poo poo is deadly. Or ridulian crystal paper! Its very heavy!
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https://yadi.sk/i/kciUCmMSiRhHS This is the longest cut of the De Laurentiis Dune. There's some interesting stuff here. But hoo boy there's no saving that film.
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ultrabindu posted:https://yadi.sk/i/kciUCmMSiRhHS I watched the first hour of some insanely long fan cut and I think a lot of the stuff that was cut should have stayed cut. The one I watched was a lot better edited than the one you linked, though, which jumps all over the drat place. The original theatrical cut is excellent if you've read the books; the stuff that was cut tries to explain things you'd need to know if you hadn't read the books, but it fucks up the flow.
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FYI you should NOT watch the extended cut. It actually makes things worse, which is why Alan Smithee is the director instead of lynch. The theatrical cut is what you should watch unless you've reached that point of being a Dune fanboy that you can tolerate the fact the extra scenes make the movie so much worse, yet you want to see them anyway.
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Jan 12, 2018 22:50
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The theatrical cut is far and away the best although some of the cut scenes are amazing, such as the baby worm vending machine. The voiceover narration in the Smithee version sounds like Wilford Brimley doing an oats commercial.
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I always took folding space and shield tech to be different sides of a different coin. They make use of the holtzmann effect, and though i dont recall it ever being said explicitly, where it's used to fold space, it's also used to thicken and increase the space between an object wearing the field and other other objects outside it. This is also why something like a lazgun will go nuclear when it hits a shield, the particles emitted by the lazgun hit the holtzmann field at such a high speed that it essentially causes particles to shatter, causing a fission/fusion reaction
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Jan 12, 2018 23:17
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moller posted:The theatrical cut is far and away the best although some of the cut scenes are amazing, such as the baby worm vending machine. As I posted above I agree 100% that the theatrical version is best but if you could tell me where to find the baby worm vending machine... goddamn.
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Pham Nuwen posted:As I posted above I agree 100% that the theatrical version is best but if you could tell me where to find the baby worm vending machine... goddamn. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ti2rs0Vbw4&t=32s YMMV, but I still think the fremen totally look like they're waiting impatiently for the coffee to brew. EDIT: Also, burpin' the worm.
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The movie also bothers me because of how it portrays the fremen. Yes on the one end they are desert dwelling people who live a primitive, subsistence lifestyle out of necessity, but there's never the implication of the vast amount of wealth they have. Even something like the fremkit paul and jessica use to flee in the book is entirely absent. The fremkits alone imply a wealthy and even advanced industrial culture hidden out in the desert. The movie and the miniseries plays them for religious fanatic bedouins and that sucks.
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basic hitler posted:FYI you should NOT watch the extended cut. It actually makes things worse, which is why Alan Smithee is the director instead of lynch. The theatrical cut is what you should watch unless you've reached that point of being a Dune fanboy that you can tolerate the fact the extra scenes make the movie so much worse, yet you want to see them anyway. Thufir's death scene should have never been cut and I will die on this hill.
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moller posted:EDIT: Also, burpin' the worm. Paul was pretty embarrassed when Duncan caught him "burping the worm" on the trip from Caladan.
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Pham Nuwen posted:Paul was pretty embarrassed when Duncan caught him "burping the worm" on the trip from Caladan. Paul's looking at that goop he's about to drink like the hero in this scene
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this thread has made me realise i should sit down and actually read dune cover to cover i haven't really done it before because my father and my grandmother were huge dune fanatics. i don't mean this in a bad way, i mean this in the sense that i basically knew everything about dune from a very young age. one of my first memories is my grandmother teaching me to read with dune and her intoning in this intense way 'you'll need all of your faculties to meet my gom jabbar'. similarly, my grandmother played dune 2 over and over and over again and the music is stuck in my brain. similarly, i've known for most of my life that the brain herbert books are apparently terrible
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Milky Moor posted:this thread has made me realise i should sit down and actually read dune cover to cover My father was like this. In the early 90s I was logged onto AOL for the first time unsupervised and i scared the gently caress out of an adult man under the moniker of Paul Atreides because I wanted to talk to him about Dune. Of course I knew about dune from games and the movie, i would be around 13 or 14 when i finally read it. There's a reason your family are dune fanatics. there truly is nothing quite like it in all sci-fi. It stands alone and it dares to discuss things most authors don't have the balls or mental capacity to even try at. Herbert was no prophet and he had problematic views, but he was unquestionably an excellent author.
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If you have already read Dune or read it multiples of times, then watched the normal cut of Dune, there is no reason to avoid the uber omega retarded fan cut 3.5 hour version of the Dune movie. Just watch it. There will forever be arguments of what makes the best version of the Dune movie, but why not watch it all as a book reader. It's not like you won't want to see all the poo poo they filmed. I for one think it is a severely crippled interesting sort-of slightly masterpiece in some ways. Have I qualified it enough? Basically, Dune is hard to adapt and I give them credit for attempting. Bonus points for dope set/costume design. It was the 80s, after all, what better could we expect? Also, I love anything David Lynch, even if he has vocally discredited his involvement. Damo fucked around with this message at 01:17 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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at this point i just want to see the unfinished effects shots and stuff allegedly destroyed. De Laurentiis said during an interview that the extended cut contained absolutely everything that was usable, but there was still some hour+ of effects shots they either didn't have the money or resources to complete or was in such bad shape as to basically be unusable. That's what i want to see, the mythical 4 hour cut.
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This thread makes me feel bad I never read past DUNE and like, the first 75 pages of DUNE MESSIAH (I read it right after DUNE but got bored). Should I really go back? Should I dive back into this poo poo I haven't thought about reading since I was like 17 years old, thread? Is it really worth it? I think not. But I will take your opinions. Either way, I will definitely not read Herbert's son's poo poo. I'm talking about reading Frank's poo poo to the end and calling it quits. I guess, at the least, I could read DUNE again. I know that is a good book, for sure.
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Sten Freak posted:Bought Dune because of this thread and reading it for the first time. Picked up the first 6 books for the Kindle just before Christmas and stumbled across this thread shortly after I started reading the first book. Finished Dune earlier in the week and started on Dune Messiah right afterwards. I liked the first book and have enjoyed what I've read of the second book so far.
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I highly recommend Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, and I hold God Emperor in as much esteem as Dune itself. At least try an audiobook. Audible gives you a free credit or two for audiobooks and its an easy way to get through some of dune on the cheap
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basic hitler posted:I highly recommend Dune Messiah and Children of Dune, and I hold God Emperor in as much esteem as Dune itself. I’m reading God Emperor for the first time in years thanks to this thread and yeah, it’s really good.
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basic hitler posted:My father was like this. In the early 90s I was logged onto AOL for the first time unsupervised and i scared the gently caress out of an adult man under the moniker of Paul Atreides because I wanted to talk to him about Dune. yeah, absolutely. i've thought the world of dune is just the coolest thing ever since i was a kid. i'd just never read the books. like, i knew the words maud'dib and shai-hulud before i was in primary school.
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basic hitler posted:Herbert was no prophet and he had problematic views, but he was unquestionably an excellent author. He was the kind of writer who put his views into his work, but I'm curious what about him is so "problematic"?
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phasmid posted:He was the kind of writer who put his views into his work, but I'm curious what about him is so "problematic"? He was an awful, bad father to his gay son and while i can't correlate that since he was no saint to Brian either, his views on homosexuality are there to be found in his books, as his views of women.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Thufir's death scene should have never been cut and I will die on this hill. totally agreed.
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Maybe they cut Freddie Jones dying because he would look like a community theater player next to Brad Dourif dying.
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basic hitler posted:He was an awful, bad father to his gay son and while i can't correlate that since he was no saint to Brian either, his views on homosexuality are there to be found in his books, as his views of women. Ah. I had read people saying this before but I don't know much about how he treated his sons, or their lives really, except that his gay son was a rights advocate of some importance. Personally, I really don't get that from his books. There's even a part where Idaho sees two women kissing and it pisses him off, while Leto is amused at his close-mindedness. As far as women go, once again, I've heard of people who had some kind of objection but I just figure that men don't write convincing women at all - women don't often write convincing men, either. Just because he wrote about how war causes vitality in people doesn't mean he liked war, after all. Just my two cents.
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