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I always assumed Vykos has just dispensed the concept altogether, and a more masculine or feminine look at any given time is just entirely aesthetic, and doesn’t mean anything to xer.
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Attorney at Funk posted:I once had an argument with someone who kept trying to use 'it' as the gender-neutral pronoun for all vampires, period. Even if they're the quadruple secret evil Hitler centrists or whatever, there's no need to be rude.
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Are any of the fiction books worth reading and which ones? I remember some discussion in the thread.
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crime fighting hog posted:Are any of the fiction books worth reading and which ones? I remember some discussion in the thread. Horror Recognition Guide, the vampire clanbooks, Secrets of the Covenants and Testament of Longinus are all real fun. e: also, Intruders. Mors Rattus fucked around with this message at 15:57 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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I like the anthologies, but be aware that a lot of the fiction appeared in other books first. If you don't have a big 1e collection I think Fallen World anthology and God Machine anthology are the best two.
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Jan 11, 2018 15:54
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Kurieg posted:I sort of want to see it just to see how badly they wallpaper over the years from 1996 to 2011. Nah, they're totally going to try to create some myth about how Chronicles was a failure in every way and that they saved the WoD from the cowards at end period WW/Current OPP. Ericsson has a particular take on everything and he will definitely make himself out to be the greatest and most correct fan who has given gamers what they not only demanded but desperately needed. So yeah, get ready for the OPP stab-in-the-back myth.
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Jan 11, 2018 16:04
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:So yeah, get ready for the OPP stab-in-the-back myth. It's not a myth. People keep stabbing OPP in the back. They put out mostly good source books in a time when there is just a lot of trash mixed in with a handful of companies putting out good material both mechanically and thematically. They also crucially, left the 90's nearly when it stopped being the 90's. (In this alternate reality in my head, Beast never existed.)
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Beast is atrocious, and Changing Breeds was very dumb, but neither of them invalidates the unfairness of OPP getting ganked by nuWW. I mean, seriously, they've put in a ton of effort and real creative work to rebuild and advance the World of Darkness' extremely 90s ideas into something really interesting. Awakening 2e has probably the best gnostic fantasy setting I've ever read (and yes I'm including KULT), and it's still got extremely capable competition in terms of theme, mechanical implementation, and setting depth. But because they were working on a license, all that could be cut off suddenly and totally because Swedracula had a bad day.
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Jan 11, 2018 18:03
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NuWW won't cut off the Chronicles, because it represents income for them with no real work involved, and because of the rename does not really touch the brand they actually give a drat about. OPP are definitely planning for in case they do, but as long as they're bringing in money for NuWW while NuWW has nothing else to really show it's going to be around, at the very least, and it probably won't matter after they release their new product because the audience is pretty different at this point and really not split by there being two brands; even rudimentary research will show that the Chronicles audience largely want nothing to do with the edgy bullshit that NuWW wants to peddle.
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I just checked in over at VEKN and apparently WW also gets to review the official fan made expansions. Even before they can be previewd. Ugh, just give me more cards.
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MollyMetroid posted:even rudimentary research will show that the Chronicles audience largely want nothing to do with the edgy bullshit that NuWW wants to peddle. While I believe this wholeheartedly I'm not unconcerned that nuWW won't blame the existence of the Chronicles if and when their 90s revival doesn't sell. 
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Jan 11, 2018 18:26
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Yeah splitting the fanbase sounds like the sort of thing that will be said.
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remusclaw posted:Yeah splitting the fanbase sounds like the sort of thing that will be said. Even though, demonstrably, they're the ones that will have split the fanbase.
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As long as the LARPers do not rebel en masse, they won't care.
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Jhet posted:It's not a myth. People keep stabbing OPP in the back. No, the myth is that OPP stabbed the poor, enlightened gamers in the back and killed their beloved RPG. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stab-in-the-back_myth Mors Rattus posted:As long as the LARPers do not rebel en masse, they won't care. They already kind of did when Swede-Drac talked out of his rear end and had to walk back stuff at the Masquerade in NOLA. He's not an American style larper either and doesn't have ties to the communities in the US to my knowledge, which have their own cultures and ideas of what the games should be. RocknRollaAyatollah fucked around with this message at 19:03 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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MollyMetroid posted:NuWW won't cut off the Chronicles, because it represents income for them with no real work involved, and because of the rename does not really touch the brand they actually give a drat about.
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I'm having trouble parsing Clarity in Changeling 2e. As I understand it, it works like both a Integrity score and also has a health track? When you lose the "health track" Clarity to 0 you lose 1 "integrity" Clarity? Is there any way to get Clarity back without buying it or is it just going to be a huge EXP sink as it goes down regularly but needs to be paid to keep up?
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RocknRollaAyatollah posted:They already kind of did when Swede-Drac talked out of his rear end and had to walk back stuff at the Masquerade in NOLA. He's not an American style larper either and doesn't have ties to the communities in the US to my knowledge, which have their own cultures and ideas of what the games should be. Oh man the NOLA Masquerade was miserable. Telling women and minorities that being treated like poo poo is the price of admission for a period game was stupid. Not shutting down the crowd when they started barking "you don't earn 70% of your resource dots" was even worse.
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What happened there? I remember it coming up earlier but I'm foggy on the details and Google isn't helping much on a phone connection.
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MollyMetroid posted:NuWW won't cut off the Chronicles, because it represents income for them with no real work involved, and because of the rename does not really touch the brand they actually give a drat about. Basic Chunnel posted:I’d be careful attributing good business sense and lack of vanity to the nuWW management I don't think it's out of good business sense, I think it's out of necessity. It's important to remember that nuWW doesn't...really exist yet, still. Their grand total of products so far have been what, those two lovely phone games and one or two book re-releases? It's been a year and then some since it formed, and it has jack poo poo to it's name. There is a hypothetical future where nuWW actually releases some products and then tries to backstab OPP, but right now, it mostly just looks like OPP makes books, and nuWW promises you that their far better books are totally gonna happen, you'll see!
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Kurieg posted:Oh man the NOLA Masquerade was miserable. Telling women and minorities that being treated like poo poo is the price of admission for a period game was stupid. Not shutting down the crowd when they started barking "you don't earn 70% of your resource dots" was even worse. I can't say I'm officially surprised that he doubled down on the 'racism and misogyny makes it AUTHENTIC~!' that gets peddled. Mostly my reaction to nuWW can be summed up by a .gif of Charlie Brown sighing.
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NGDBSS posted:What happened there? I remember it coming up earlier but I'm foggy on the details and Google isn't helping much on a phone connection. https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3712435&pagenumber=242&perpage=40#post464822608 that's where the NOLA videos get posted. Kurieg posted:And one thing I got out of that Q&A is that Martin really has no clue about anything that goes on in the American Roleplaying community. At one Martin goes on a long spiel about how you're playing Monsters in the World of Darkness and Racism and Sexism is monstrous. Then someone asked him "Well then why would women or minorities want to even play your game if they're going to come here and be forced to experience historically accurate racism?" and they practically ripped the mic out of his hands before he could respond.
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Jade Mage posted:I'm having trouble parsing Clarity in Changeling 2e. As I understand it, it works like both a Integrity score and also has a health track? When you lose the "health track" Clarity to 0 you lose 1 "integrity" Clarity? Is there any way to get Clarity back without buying it or is it just going to be a huge EXP sink as it goes down regularly but needs to be paid to keep up? You don't lose dots and buy them back with experiences like Integrity. It's much more like Health: the permanent rating is just derived from your Attributes (and you can go Icon-seeking to earn more), but actual events that impact Clarity inflict damage to your Clarity boxes that can be healed in game. Healing Clarity damage does not cost experiences; it's done by connecting with your Touchstones. Kurieg posted:Oh man the NOLA Masquerade was miserable. Telling women and minorities that being treated like poo poo is the price of admission for a period game was stupid. Not shutting down the crowd when they started barking "you don't earn 70% of your resource dots" was even worse. As somebody who's never gone near the LARP scene, I've got to ask what the latter was about or meant. It's a long-rear end video. I Am Just a Box fucked around with this message at 23:00 on Jan 11, 2018 |
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I Am Just a Box posted:As somebody who's never gone near the LARP scene, I've got to ask what the latter was about or meant. It's a long-rear end video. Resources is a background for how much monetary income you have. People were asking (satirically) if female characters got 70% less money from dots of Resources since we're going with the super historically accurate misogyny and racism.
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ProfessorCirno posted:I don't think it's out of good business sense, I think it's out of necessity. There's an Apocalypse game in development, but there's still nothing of it except some concept art. Apparently it was at E3? My conspiracy theory is that Paradox bought WW with the idea that Obsidian would begin working on a Bloodlines 2 or the like, since they were dropping hints and bringing back people from Troika. Then either Swedracula blew them off or Obsidian balked at his requirements and now things are in a lovely limbo.
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Kavak posted:There's an Apocalypse game in development, but there's still nothing of it except some concept art. Apparently it was at E3? I recall that they announced it as soon as a deal was made, i.e., just slightly after "the idea guys" step of development. One of the worst points to announce any game's development, especially video games. I expect lots of overturned boxcars.
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Is nuWW popular anywhere? I'm pretty far out of the loop these days, but among RL friends who might be nostalgic for those things, it was a blip for like 30 seconds on people's radars, and nothing since then. I'm pretty sure they're not aware of either the trash phone game or the playtest. Nowhere online where people would normally drub up interest for RPGs do I see anyone talking favorably about it, or really talking about it much at all. Is it even gaining momentum among the Eurolarp crowd that its supposedly going to cater to?
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That Old Tree posted:I recall that they announced it as soon as a deal was made, i.e., just slightly after "the idea guys" step of development. One of the worst points to announce any game's development, especially video games. I expect lots of overturned boxcars. I rememeber the same thing, bur your simile is lost on me.
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Desiden posted:Is nuWW popular anywhere? I'm pretty far out of the loop these days, but among RL friends who might be nostalgic for those things, it was a blip for like 30 seconds on people's radars, and nothing since then. I'm pretty sure they're not aware of either the trash phone game or the playtest. Nowhere online where people would normally drub up interest for RPGs do I see anyone talking favorably about it, or really talking about it much at all. Is it even gaining momentum among the Eurolarp crowd that its supposedly going to cater to? Someone pointed out a bit back that all nuWW is at the moment is promises. For those who don't follow game development all there has been is that 30 second blip.
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That Old Tree posted:I recall that they announced it as soon as a deal was made, i.e., just slightly after "the idea guys" step of development. One of the worst points to announce any game's development, especially video games. I expect lots of overturned boxcars. It's also being made by the guys whose primary claim to fame is the Blood Bowl video games, IIRC.
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Kavak posted:I rememeber the same thing, bur your simile is lost on me. A train wreck.  Mors Rattus posted:It's also being made by the guys whose primary claim to fame is the Blood Bowl video games, IIRC. Those seem well-liked, at least.
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For a company bought out by a video game publisher their VG development pipeline has thrown up a lot of red flags. Swedracula even said recently that Paradox has had very little input. From what we've seen (which is admittedly not much) it sounds like nuWW is its own silo without much of a guiding hand.
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I still can't believe EuroLARP is the focus of the WW acquisition. Paradox has too much money
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Basic Chunnel posted:I still can't believe EuroLARP is the focus of the WW acquisition. Paradox has too much money The focus of the WW Acquisition was that A guy at CCP who was a giant white wolf fanboy had a friend at Paradox who was close enough to the decision makers to sell the idea of all these amazing future World of Darkness games that they could make. I imagine that they got the license for relatively cheap, as CCP had basically been sitting on it. Though the fact that CCP had been sitting on it for years should have pointed out to Paradox that it was a bad idea.
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That one post-mortem of the WoD MMO remains an enduring classic
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Kavak posted:My conspiracy theory is that Paradox bought WW with the idea that Obsidian would begin working on a Bloodlines 2 or the like, since they were dropping hints and bringing back people from Troika. Then either Swedracula blew them off or Obsidian balked at his requirements and now things are in a lovely limbo. I'm running on the same theory. It's what makes the most sense to me.
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Basic Chunnel posted:That one post-mortem of the WoD MMO remains an enduring classic
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Zereth posted:The "It needs to be more... Pssssshhhh *immediately walks away without explaining what that's supposed to mean*" one? I am going to need a link to this.
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Zereth posted:The "It needs to be more... Pssssshhhh *immediately walks away without explaining what that's supposed to mean*" one? yes Night10194 posted:I am going to need a link to this. "I once saw him looking over the shoulder of a programmer at some bit of User Interface the poor guy had hacked together. He straightened up, put fingers to lips and said, ‘No, this isn't it at all. Make it more... psssshhhh’ He hissed on his loving fingertips, like the air coming out of a bicycle tire, and then just walked away.”
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Jade Mage posted:I'm having trouble parsing Clarity in Changeling 2e. As I understand it, it works like both a Integrity score and also has a health track? When you lose the "health track" Clarity to 0 you lose 1 "integrity" Clarity? Is there any way to get Clarity back without buying it or is it just going to be a huge EXP sink as it goes down regularly but needs to be paid to keep up? It's more like a health track than an integrity track, in that your max capacity doesn't go down (and in fact goes up more often than by just buying attributes through finding icons). You take clarity damage like how normal damage works (mild = bashing, severe = lethal, no aggravated). Clarity damage heals by interaction with a touchstone - touchstones subtract dice from clarity damage rolls and are considered detached when the associated box is full of severe - and by resolving conditions imposed by taking Clarity damage/having clarity damage in your last 3 boxes.
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