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hexwren posted:I haven't heard much of Strawbs, but Grave New World's title track may be one of the most awesomely, hilariously overblown songs in the genre and I love it. Love that song. It's one of the covers I do at acoustic open mics from time to time. A lot of fun to play and almost no one knows it.
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DoubleCakes posted:I was bored of Joe's Garage by the time the first disc was over. drat those songs go on for too long. I'm gonna give Zappa one more try but if that doesn't sell me on him then I'll walk away and never return. Zappa has incredible moments where I can't believe how good he and his band is, to "what were they thinking?!" moments where it's so bad that sometimes I can't stand to listen to it. It doesn't help that he has over a hundred albums so going through it all to find what you like is a massive effort in endurance. You can tell he recorded every ridiculous idea that came into his head. The more instrumental stuff is better by far than the stuff that he tries to put words to. But I do admit that I like the raunchy humor in small doses. Songs like Dinah'Mo Hum, Goblin Girl, Turning Again, Dancing Fool, Wet T-Shirt, Disco Boy, He's So Gay, Bobby Brown and Brown Moses are catchy as hell. And even The Jazz Discharge Party Hats still makes me laugh. But as far as an album recommendation goes for someone just getting into it? Like most prog rock acts who started in the 60s, Zappa reached his Zenith in the 70s. But the quality stayed pretty consistently good into the 80s and 90s unlike a lot of prog bands. He did change his style a lot though so you'll probably like some eras better than others. Check out One Size Fits All, Waka/Jawaka, The Grand Wazoo, Overnite-Sensation, Bongo Fury, Hot Rats, Apostrophe, Sheik Yerbouti, You Are What You Is and Ship Arriving too Late to Save a Drowning Witch. I wouldn't say those are his best albums, but I do tend to listen to them a lot more than others. The 60s stuff he did with The Mothers is also fun, but I don't think he really hit his stride until he went solo and started really going nuts with the jazz fusion. Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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Ship Arriving Too Late To Save A Drowning Witch was actually my first Zappa album. I was a teenager looking for weird music. (I found it)
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Don't forget Orchestral Zappa. If you're into Stravinsky then you really can't go wrong with London Symphony Orchestra or The Yellow Shark. If you don't mind his lyrics too much then Roxy and Elsewhere is awesome. If you want jazz fusion Zappa then Waka Jawaka or Hot Rats are both great.
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Gianthogweed posted:Love that song. It's one of the covers I do at acoustic open mics from time to time. A lot of fun to play and almost no one knows it. Have you recorded this by chance? That's one of the Strawbs songs I absolutely adore, except for the drat cheesy horns. All the live recordings I've heard have the horns, or Dave Cousins' vocals don't have the fire of the studio version's. Honestly the studio version of New World might be one of my favorite vocal performances ever. It just rules so hard. Gianthogweed posted:But I do admit that I like the raunchy humor in small doses. Songs like Dinah'Mo Hum, Goblin Girl, Turning Again, Dancing Fool, Wet T-Shirt, Disco Boy, He's So Gay, Bobby Brown and Brown Moses are catchy as hell. And even The Jazz Disco Party Hats still makes me laugh.  I'll even give Jewish Princess a pass because it's too far over the top to be truly offensive and the wordplay is clever. I can't stand most of the Flo & Eddie stuff though, and nothing else sucks quite as badly as SEX or Stick Together. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 11:57 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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That one concert album with Flo & Eddie all over it is the worst. Fillmore East I think? The skits on Roxy are like an infinitely better version of whatever they were trying to do there. Probably because he intended to show it on TV at some point and had to restrain himself, I guess.
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Rollersnake posted:As huge a Zappa fan as I am, I'm not sure there's a single album of his that I love in its entirety.
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Hot Rats is great in its entirety
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You know, I agree on Bongo Fury, and I'm not sure why it didn't come to mind. Probably because I think of it as a Captain Beefheart album as much as I do a Zappa album.
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Speaking of Cap'n Don V., I'm going to go out on a limb and say that the Bluejeans and Moonbeams record (especially the title track) is massively underrated.
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Rollersnake posted:Have you recorded this by chance? That's one of the Strawbs songs I absolutely adore, except for the drat cheesy horns. All the live recordings I've heard have the horns, or Dave Cousins' vocals don't have the fire of the studio version's. Here's me playing it in my room from a few years back as part of a Moody Blues/Strawbs medley. I don't think I play it the same way now but in any event my version can never compare with the Strawbs version so I doubt I'll ever make an official studio recording of the cover. https://youtu.be/iZmmb3SPCic Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 21:35 on Dec 22, 2017 |
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BigFactory posted:I guess someone hasn't heard Operation:Mindcrime 2. Shadow Gallery's Tyranny is the real Operation Mindcrime 2.
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Gianthogweed posted:Here's me playing it in my room from a few years back as part of a Moody Blues/Strawbs medley. I don't think I play it the same way now but in any event my version can never compare with the Strawbs version so I doubt I'll ever make an official studio recording of the cover. awesome man. I'd never heard this song before but i really dig it.
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I forgot to check the thread, and I need to remember to listen to that when I get home. Another one of my Strawbs frustrations—Down by the Sea has a great riff that really deserved to have been in a better song.
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Rollersnake posted:I forgot to check the thread, and I need to remember to listen to that when I get home. Just steal the riff and write a better song for it - be proactive
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A human heart posted:Just steal the riff and write a better song for it - be proactive Metallica already did. Although they did change it slightly. Compare for yourself: https://youtu.be/V6Dfo4zDduI - Metallica - Sanitarium (1986) https://youtu.be/_Som1k26YJE - Strawbs - Down by the Sea (1973) edit: Although they may have lifted it from Rainbow Warrior who probably lifted it from the Strawbs. https://youtu.be/zowid7KAmnM - Rainbow Warrior - Bleak House (1980) Gianthogweed fucked around with this message at 19:18 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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I'm pretty sure Down by the Sea was reminding me of that exact song, but it's been so long since I listened to Master of Puppets that I couldn't place it. I almost said "it's a riff Metallica wished they'd come up with" but I didn't want to sound hyperbolic and get lectured by people who are a lot more into metal than I am. Edit: Also, I really liked your New World cover—particularly that you nailed the variation in tone between the may you turn, may you rot, and may you rest choruses, which I think is the most crucial thing for that song to work as well as it does. I cringe at those live performances where Cousins just kind of bellows all of it. Rollersnake fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Dec 31, 2017 |
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Rollersnake posted:I'm pretty sure Down by the Sea was reminding me of that exact song, but it's been so long since I listened to Master of Puppets that I couldn't place it. I almost said "it's a riff Metallica wished they'd come up with" but I didn't want to sound hyperbolic and get lectured by people who are a lot more into metal than I am. Thanks buddy. I just finished recording a song this weekend. It's going to be part of my album that I hope to release before spring. I think you guys might like it. https://soundcloud.com/james-murray-38/the-heros-feast
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During breaks from study, I made a list of prog call letters so you can irritate everyone at Starbucks and the dentist's office: Anekdoten Beardfish Camel Dream Theater Echolyn Focus Genesis Hawkwind Iluvatar Jethro Tull King Crimson Magma Nightwish Oblivion Sun Pink Floyd Queensr˙che Rush Soft Machine Tool Unitopia Van Der Graaf Generator Wishbone Ash Xanadu Yes Zarathustra Example: "Hello, Four Seasons? Yes I'd like to make a reservation, the name is Gunderson. That's G as in Genesis, U as in Unitopia, N as in Nightwish, D as in Dream Th-Hello? Hello?"
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Gianthogweed posted:Metallica already did. Although they did change it slightly. Compare for yourself: To be fair these are pretty common chords and it doesn't take much inventiveness to replicate that via an arpeggio in standard guitar tuning. Folks rip from one another all the time but considering the amount of times I've accidentally copied riffs/basslines I wouldn't be surprised if it was all coincidence.
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Seventh Arrow posted:During breaks from study, I made a list of prog call letters so you can irritate everyone at Starbucks and the dentist's office: You forgot Lake
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hexwren posted:You forgot Lake Great googly-moogly, you're right!  although you could also substitute Liquid Tension Experiment
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Seventh Arrow posted:Great googly-moogly, you're right! That might be the worst band ever.
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BigFactory posted:That might be the worst band ever. Fight me
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Rust Martialis posted:Fight me Is straight up dream theater worse?
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Yes, because straight-up Dream Theater doesn't have Tony Levin in it.
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DT is also worse because it has LaBrie in it
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Iucounu posted:DT is also worse because it has LaBrie in it Prćcis.
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BigFactory posted:Is straight up dream theater worse? LTE is occasionally able to write songs shorter than eight (or even eighteen) minutes, and they don't have dream theater's skull-crushingly self-indulgent lyrics
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Acid Rain was a cool song but I can't actually remember a single other thing they've done
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hexwren posted:LTE is occasionally able to write songs shorter than eight (or even eighteen) minutes, and they don't have dream theater's skull-crushingly self-indulgent lyrics Iucounu posted:DT is also worse because it has LaBrie in it Yeah can you imagine the lyrics LaBrie would come up with for "When the Water Breaks?" 
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Complaining about long songs and self-indulgent lyrics? Did I accidentally click on the garage rock thread?
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I don't think the self-indulgence is the problem, they're just not very good at writing lyrics.
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length is not the issue. there's nothing wrong with long songs if they are good. I dont think anyone went around asking Fela Kuti to make his tunes shorter. the problem with Dream Theater is that their music is bad. even if their songs were just two minutes long they would still be bad.
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Dream Theater were once good but what they're doing lately is bad enough to cancel out all the good stuff they put out.
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You can find good stuff through Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence, it goes downhill hard after that. Awake is a pretty good album.
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I wish Porcupine Tree had a different name because they deserve to be on that list but it's not like you can kick Pink Floyd.
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Fenrir posted:I wish Porcupine Tree had a different name because they deserve to be on that list but it's not like you can kick Pink Floyd. Pink Floyd should be kicked as far away as possible
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You want a hot take? I love Systematic Chaos and even Black Clouds & Silver Linings.
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Paladinus posted:You want a hot take? I love Systematic Chaos and even Black Clouds & Silver Linings. <inscribes onto a bathroom wall by the words "PINK FLOYD WERE AMATEURS">
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