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 Ahahaha, the fuckin poetry. (and as I believe I've been told, there's no gender on licenses in the rest of the country anyways, so lol)
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Jan 12, 2018 15:20
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In Sweden we recently started using a gender free he/she equivalent and it’s awesome, it’s super handy when writing stuff.
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Jan 12, 2018 17:37
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We already have a gender-neutral pronoun in English, the singular "they". It's just that a lot of people basically refuse to use it for whatever reason.
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Jan 12, 2018 17:40
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"Are they off their meds" *posts about freemason chemical warfare*
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Jan 12, 2018 17:49
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SpacePig posted:We already have a gender-neutral pronoun in English, the singular "they". It's just that a lot of people basically refuse to use it for whatever reason. The problem for some people is that it was taught for a longass time that "they" is incorrect grammar, and that the gender-indeterminate pronoun should ALWAYS default to "he." The problem for a lot of people, I think, is "I've never had to think about this before and I don't want to start now." And the rest are just garden variety "gently caress you for wanting out of the gender binary." Which is basically just a jerkier version of #2. I doubt the resistance is going to last very long, given how quickly and naturally "they" has swept the English language. The only problem I see with it is the conjugation is a little awkward, and that's just going to solve itself in a generation or so.
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Jan 12, 2018 17:57
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Puppy Time posted:The problem for some people is that it was taught for a longass time that "they" is incorrect grammar, and that the gender-indeterminate pronoun should ALWAYS default to "he." There's the other side of the issue in which some non-binary folks don't want to be referred to as 'they' as well. Possibly because it could imply they were a group of people in certain contexts.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:01
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Yea my brain keeps telling me "They" is supposed to be used in a plural sense until I actually start saying it aloud. So because I have no friends I never say it aloud so it continues to feel weird. I hate my brain. Although I think "They" would be fine until you get a chance to ask what their preferred pronoun is, or if you learn it through context. But then again it feels like I'm being rude just having to ask them ask all.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:08
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"They and I went to the store." Sounds dumb and bad
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Jan 12, 2018 18:09
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I'm a fan of Persian and the non-gendered او pronoun
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Jan 12, 2018 18:10
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I went to the store with them. Or just use their name?
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Jan 12, 2018 18:13
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We could always start calling people "that one" like The Maverick. (Do not do this.)
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Jan 12, 2018 18:13
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If it’s good enough for the hanar it’s good enough for me
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Jan 12, 2018 18:15
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I teach writing, and here are some points I cover when discussing the singular "they": For 1 - singular "They" is not a 21st-century neologism. The OED reports it as far back as the 14th century. 2 - It's respectful. 3 - It makes tidier sentences than "he or she." Against 1 - It can cause ambiguities if used indiscriminately. 2 - If your reader is a pedantic shithead they might get annoyed. The ambiguity thing is a much bigger problem with singular "they" than with the Oxford comma - see #A2 above: is it the pedantic shithead who is annoyed, or some third party? It can cause enough wiggle room to dumpster contracts, for example. My present advice is that writers double-check any singular "they" and adjust accordingly - "If your readers are... they...," or "Its use might annoy pedantic shitheads...," and so forth. 90% of sentences which suggest a singular "They" can be improved by adding a more specific non in place of the pronoun anyway.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:15
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Bombadilillo posted:"They and I went to the store." That's a bad example, because you know the preferred pronoun for the person who went to the store with you.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:16
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CommonShore posted:That's a bad example, because you know the preferred pronoun for the person who went to the store with you.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:19
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Bombadilillo posted:"They and I went to the store." "(S)he and I went to the store." might be grammatically correct, but normally in speaking you'd just say "We went to the store." or "[Name] and I went to the store." I'm straight and cisgendered and whatnot, so I'm not speaking from authority or anything here and might be wrong, but "they" seems like an easier and more acceptable alternative to the somehow still popular but still just as offensive "it".
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Jan 12, 2018 18:20
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CommonShore posted:I teach writing, and here are some points I cover when discussing the singular "they": I just mention that Shakespeare used it.
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Jan 12, 2018 18:20
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Bombadilillo posted:"They and I went to the store." "We went to the store"? I mean how often are you saying "He and I went to the store" anyway?
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Jan 12, 2018 18:21
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Bombadilillo posted:"They and I went to the store." Truly, you are a poet, a master of language. This reasoning is solid, and not perhaps based on your own trash mind - that in your slang-addled, radiation-riddled 21st century brain, "dumb and bad" is enough for you not to think about or do a thing. Everyone has already pointed out the myriad of ways it can be grammatically worked out. That up there is an excuse for an advertising brand not to use a new slogan, not for an adult in regards to challenging thoughts. I get the joke, I know you're breaking it down so simply for laughs, but there's a grain of truth to the fact your thinking probably stops there, and it's painful to see. We give ourselves amazing reasons to not think through poo poo. StrangersInTheNight has a new favorite as of 18:39 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Jan 12, 2018 18:37
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StrangersInTheNight posted:Truly, you are a poet, a master of language. This reasoning is solid, and not perhaps based on your own trash mind - that in your slang-addled, radiation-riddled 21st century brain, "dumb and bad" is enough for you not to think about or do a thing. 
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Jan 12, 2018 18:40
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CommonShore posted:That's a bad example, because you know the preferred pronoun for the person who went to the store with you. Some people prefer the pronoun "they," but those people hopefully like themselves too much to go anywhere with that poster
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Jan 12, 2018 18:43
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InediblePenguin posted:Some people prefer the pronoun "they," but those people hopefully like themselves too much to go anywhere with that poster Thread: Just use "they" Me: Here's an example of how that sounds weird in practice. IP  nobody wants to hang out with you.Lol. gently caress off!
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Jan 12, 2018 18:48
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Bombadilillo posted:Thread: Just use "they" nice meltdown, chuckles
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Jan 12, 2018 18:49
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You could also just call them what they look like at first and then if corrected just say sorry and do it properly idk
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Jan 12, 2018 18:50
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InediblePenguin posted:nice meltdown, chuckles Really melting it over here! Got dang I can feel it. You got me so good. drat THE BIG DOG DADDY posted:You could also just call them what they look like at first and then if corrected just say sorry and do it properly idk Serious chat. This feels like the best strategy, but some people get upset if you mess up first try. Or if you knew them as a girl and then years later on Facebook without being informed you imply that they are in fact still a girl. Bombadilillo has a new favorite as of 18:54 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Jan 12, 2018 18:51
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Bombadilillo posted:Really melting it over here! Got dang I can feel it. You got me so good. drat Well if they're offended enough not to want to be talked to anymore it's a win win situation Don't get me wrong, I'm all for respecting people's wishes, much more so than 99% of people I know, but you don't have to be a shithead about it
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Jan 12, 2018 19:00
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Bombadilillo posted:Thread: Just use "they"
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Jan 12, 2018 19:15
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Elizabethan Error posted:you don't use 'they and i' in that context, you use 'we'. sorry about your dumb opinions on pronouns. Nope
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Jan 12, 2018 19:20
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Bombadilillo posted:Nope https://twitter.com/spookperson/status/951660529596026881
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Jan 12, 2018 19:25
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The best strat is to never leave your basement and only refer to people you know by their gamertags and usernames. e: also this vvvvvvvvvvvvv Maker Of Shoes has a new favorite as of 19:54 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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Jan 12, 2018 19:49
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The best strat is to replace all pronouns with "this motherfucker", "that motherfucker", "these motherfuckers", and "those motherfuckers".
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Jan 12, 2018 19:53
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Puppy Time posted:The problem for some people is that it was taught for a longass time that "they" is incorrect grammar, and that the gender-indeterminate pronoun should ALWAYS default to "he." As a weird as hell child I always used they instead of any gendered pronouns, but my sisters made fun of me until I stopped. Now one of them is dating a nonbinary person and corrects me every time I use a gendered pronoun for them   
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Jan 12, 2018 19:54
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Bombadilillo posted:Thread: Just use "they" The point is that there are dozens of other ways to write that sentence (or to express that idea) which don't sound weird or ambiguous. Really, you're contriving a scenario in which a) you went to the store with a person who doesn't like being called "he" or "she" b) you don't want to name that person directly c) you don't want to become part of the collective "we" with that person d) you don't respect that person enough to use "they" e) you have no other means of referring to that person other than a personal pronoun (e.g. "the customer") You're essentially playing the "we need torture in case the bomb is ticking" scenario of grammar. And honestly, I don't like "They and I went to the store" either, but I'll just find a different way to structure the paragraph.
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Jan 12, 2018 20:01
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Trig Discipline posted:The best strat is to replace all pronouns with "this motherfucker", "that motherfucker", "these motherfuckers", and "those motherfuckers". Problematic when referring to those not interested in sex with ladies. This fucker, That fucker, You fuckers
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Jan 12, 2018 20:04
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Fart.Bleed.Repeat. posted:Problematic when referring to those not interested in sex with ladies. This fucker, That fucker, You fuckers Problematic when referring to asexuals who aren't interested in loving. This living creature, that living creature, you living creatures.
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Jan 12, 2018 20:06
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Chode is great gender neutral non-sexual designator. This chode, that chode, you chodes, etc.
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Jan 12, 2018 20:08
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Len posted:Problematic when referring to asexuals who aren't interested in loving. This living creature, that living creature, you living creatures. Im going back to just pointing and grunting
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Jan 12, 2018 20:09
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Fart.Bleed.Repeat. posted:Im going back to just pointing and grunting What about the blind deaf out there?
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CommonShore posted:The point is that there are dozens of other ways to write that sentence (or to express that idea) which don't sound weird or ambiguous. Really, you're contriving a scenario in which Jesus that got dark. Friendless Bad opinions Torture supporter This thread  La Brea Carpet posted:Chode is great gender neutral non-sexual designator. This chode, that chode, you chodes, etc. This Bombadilillo has a new favorite as of 20:18 on Jan 12, 2018 |
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