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Best producer/showrunner?
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Verity Lambert 30 15.31%
Barry Letts 7 3.57%
Phillip Hinchcliffe 32 16.33%
John Nathan-Turner 6 3.06%
Russell T Davies 33 16.84%
Steven Moffat 50 25.51%
Chris Chibnall (I am from the future) 38 19.39%
Total: 196 votes
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Stabbatical
Sep 15, 2011

Narsham posted:

I just read something which triggered the following redemptive reading (a la Sandifer) of The Lie of the Land. I hasten to preemptively add that I don't think Toby Whithouse intended a word of this.

What if the idea which defeated the Monk's wasn't Bill's nameless mother dwelling in her mind, but rather the nameless Doctor dwelling in our minds as an audience? If that's the case, then that abrupt shift into the final scene, with the world waking up and forgetting what had just happened, is like us waking up to the return of the Doctor we believe in and the show we (mostly) enjoy watching after suffering through the Monk's alternate version. (Perhaps in a few cases, it's a literal waking up. Let's say the episode could have benefited from a Sontaran tripping over a deck chair.)

As such, the entire episode becomes the Lie, refuted by our reaction to it.

If we're all stories in the end, then I prefer to believe that one over what we actually saw on screen.

That would be an odd choice for a non-arthouse TV show meant to be understood and enjoyed by general audiences, like children and their grandparents.

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Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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What if, get this...the Doctor was aware they were fictional? hosed up, right?

e: I just realized this was the plot of Extremis.

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!
The Doctor is canonically non-fictional (The Mind Robber)

cargohills
Apr 18, 2014

Stabbatical posted:

That would be an odd choice for a non-arthouse TV show meant to be understood and enjoyed by general audiences, like children and their grandparents.

Stuff that isn't made by David Lynch can have subtext too, you know.

DoctorWhat
Nov 18, 2011

A little privacy, please?

cargohills posted:

Stuff that isn't made by David Lynch can have subtext too, you know.

I know writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards.

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!
You can tell how good subtext is because it uses the word "sub" which has connotations of inferiority, rather than something like "ultra" or "great"

MrL_JaKiri
Sep 23, 2003

A bracing glass of carrot juice!

cargohills posted:

Stuff that isn't made by David Lynch can have subtext too, you know.

Indeed. But even Death of the Author can't make every claimed subtext interesting

Box of Bunnies
Apr 3, 2012

by Pragmatica

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

Bicyclops posted:

I'm trying not to get excited for Thirteen because it is very definitely a toss-up as to whether Chibnall can handle the showrunner role, but all his little decisions so far have been really good, and Jodie Whittaker is going to be great at being the Doctor, so I'm excited anyways.

I don't know, Chibnall's Tardis redesign is loving terrible. It's easily the worst one in the shows history. So unsightly.

BSam
Nov 24, 2012

PriorMarcus posted:

I don't know, Chibnall's Tardis redesign is loving terrible. It's easily the worst one in the shows history. So unsightly.

Sarcasm?

I think it looks great.

The_Doctor
Mar 29, 2007

"The entire history of this incarnation is one of temporal orbits, retcons, paradoxes, parallel time lines, reiterations, and divergences. How anyone can make head or tail of all this chaos, I don't know."

PriorMarcus posted:

I don't know, Chibnall's Tardis redesign is loving terrible. It's easily the worst one in the shows history. So unsightly.

I mean, it’s not exactly breaking the mould, is it?

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
Hideous.

I mean, they moved the phone handle to the wrong side.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Rhyno posted:

Hideous.

I mean, they moved the phone handle to the wrong side.

Like they probably even use it the entire time she there.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

They took away the St. John's logo, therefore making it the worst redesign in the history of forever.

P.S Nobody steal my Big Finish script idea "The History of Forever" where the shocking twist is that the adventure was actually the dedication page with a missing comma for a VR general history book, for the author's sweetheart whose name was Ever.

Big Mean Jerk
Jan 27, 2009

Well, of course I know him.
He's me.

The_Doctor posted:

I mean, it’s not exactly breaking the mould, is it?



The mottled blue reminds me of 7/9/10’s tardis

Astroman
Apr 8, 2001


Wheat Loaf posted:

Obviously one of the big announcements we've heard is that he wanted to move towards having a collaborative American-style writers room for the show, but another rumour I heard was that he was going to write every episode of season 11 himself (which is why it has fewer but longer episodes).

At the same time, he's said he has a five-year plan for the series and the BBC have committed to letting him go with it, so that will hopefully be interesting to see.

One thing that might be informative is to dredge up old internet posts, interviews, etc going back over the past 30 years of Chibnall, and look closely at what he's done for Who already. So much of Moffat's run was ticking boxes of his "If I were in charge of Doctor Who" plans going back to the 80s. A lot of what he did was strongly telegraphed in things liks "Curse of Fatal Death" and the Library short story he did pre-Revival. Capaldi's costume choices and performance were similarly influenced by his younger obsessions with the show. There's no reason to assume that as another megafan since chiildhood, Chibnall won't use the same playbook.



cargohills posted:

I think you'll find he already has 30 good scripts.

All at Peter's house, written by him going back to the mid-1970s.

PriorMarcus
Oct 17, 2008

ASK ME ABOUT BEING ALLERGIC TO POSITIVITY

The_Doctor posted:

I mean, it’s not exactly breaking the mould, is it?



The moved the phone cabinet handle to a different side, changed the legitamtely beautiful font on that panel to whatever mess it is now, did away with the different levels of frosting in the windows, changed the top lantern to something multi-tiered and more complicated looking and, worst of all, have put weird notches on the four side pillars at the top and bottom. It's also gigantic. It's bigger than Smith's/Capaldi's was.

I know they don't seem like much at all but I think every one of those changes is terrible.

AndyElusive
Jan 7, 2007

PriorMarcus posted:

You've redecorated. I don't like it!

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

:golfclap:

Soothing Vapors
Mar 26, 2006

Associate Justice Lena "Kegels" Dunham: An uncool thought to have: 'is that guy walking in the dark behind me a rapist? Never mind, he's Asian.

PriorMarcus posted:

The moved the phone cabinet handle to a different side, changed the legitamtely beautiful font on that panel to whatever mess it is now, did away with the different levels of frosting in the windows, changed the top lantern to something multi-tiered and more complicated looking and, worst of all, have put weird notches on the four side pillars at the top and bottom. It's also gigantic. It's bigger than Smith's/Capaldi's was.

I know they don't seem like much at all but I think every one of those changes is terrible.

I didn't even notice they changed it
lol

2house2fly
Nov 14, 2012

You did a super job wrapping things up! And I'm not just saying that because I have to!

PriorMarcus posted:

It's also gigantic. It's bigger than Smith's/Capaldi's was. .

Well, it's all those years of bigger on the inside, You try sucking your tummy in that long

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Astroman posted:

One thing that might be informative is to dredge up old internet posts, interviews, etc going back over the past 30 years of Chibnall, and look closely at what he's done for Who already. So much of Moffat's run was ticking boxes of his "If I were in charge of Doctor Who" plans going back to the 80s. A lot of what he did was strongly telegraphed in things liks "Curse of Fatal Death" and the Library short story he did pre-Revival. Capaldi's costume choices and performance were similarly influenced by his younger obsessions with the show. There's no reason to assume that as another megafan since chiildhood, Chibnall won't use the same playbook.

Okay, so based on what I've seen....

A full season of Jodie just staring in disgust at a picture of 6, shaking her head and occasionally snarling.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
Jerusalem, did you ever do a write up for Blink? I don't see it in the OP.

BioEnchanted
Aug 9, 2011

He plays for the dreamers that forgot how to dream, and the lovers that forgot how to love.
You Blinked and missed it :v:

Fil5000
Jun 23, 2003

HOLD ON GUYS I'M POSTING ABOUT INTERNET ROBOTS

DoctorWhat posted:

I know writers who use subtext, and they're all cowards.

Yeah but I bet none of them were in loving Bruiser.

Narsham
Jun 5, 2008

PriorMarcus posted:

The moved the phone cabinet handle to a different side, changed the legitamtely beautiful font on that panel to whatever mess it is now, did away with the different levels of frosting in the windows, changed the top lantern to something multi-tiered and more complicated looking and, worst of all, have put weird notches on the four side pillars at the top and bottom. It's also gigantic. It's bigger than Smith's/Capaldi's was.

I know they don't seem like much at all but I think every one of those changes is terrible.

Classic TARDIS compensation syndrome. Now that I think about it, the emphasis on "bigger on the inside" has a certain compensatory air to it as well.

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?

Rirse posted:

Jerusalem, did you ever do a write up for Blink? I don't see it in the OP.

I absolutely did, but somehow I must have managed to edit it out of my index at some point. I've put it back in, and here is the link to Blink :)

Gordon Shumway
Jan 21, 2008

PriorMarcus posted:

changed the legitamtely beautiful font on that panel to whatever mess it is now

I actually think the font on the "Pull to Open" panel that they used is the one that they use for the show's opening titles.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Jerusalem posted:

I absolutely did, but somehow I must have managed to edit it out of my index at some point. I've put it back in, and here is the link to Blink :)

Thank you. I liked reading your write ups as I go through the Revival episodes and noticed it got sent to the past by mistake.

Tim Burns Effect
Apr 1, 2011

cargohills posted:

Stuff that isn't made by David Lynch can have subtext too, you know.

Edward Mass
Sep 14, 2011

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Good country music from Amarillo and Abilene
Friendliest people and the prettiest women you've ever seen
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Jon Pertwee IS James Murphy AS David Lynch

King Plum the Nth
Oct 16, 2008

Jan 2018: I've been rereading my post history and realized that I can be a moronic bloviating asshole. FWIW, I apologize for most of everything I've ever written on the internet. In future, if I can't say something functional or funny, I won't say anything at all.
So, is there any way to buy episodes/stories on digital streaming? I (think I) know that all extant stories are available to stream if you pay for a subscription to BritBox but is there any legal option if you just want to buy a single story à la carte -- like you might buy Iron Man or John Wick or something on Amazon? I had a yen to watch City of Death but my VHS copy is at my parent's house 3000 miles way and, well, VHS. (Shamefully, I' don't actually have a VHS player at the moment.) For reference, I'm in the US. Am I going to have to buy a DVD?

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!

King Plum the Nth posted:

So, is there any way to buy episodes/stories on digital streaming? I (think I) know that all extant stories are available to stream if you pay for a subscription to BritBox but is there any legal option if you just want to buy a single story à la carte -- like you might buy Iron Man or John Wick or something on Amazon? I had a yen to watch City of Death but my VHS copy is at my parent's house 3000 miles way and, well, VHS. (Shamefully, I' don't actually have a VHS player at the moment.) For reference, I'm in the US. Am I going to have to buy a DVD?

Yes, and a copy will run you a fair bit too

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!
I adore Michelle Gomez.


That is all.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich
How come the short Time Crash not on iTunes or youtube in the US? Before I had to suffered through Voyage of the drat (the name given to the audiences watching it), I saw that was suppose to be in-between, but gave up watching since I can't find it on either and only see really low quality mirrors on Youtube that probably be cropped to get around copyright claims. Imagine this will be the case later when I get to Night of the Doctor too.

Rhyno
Mar 22, 2003
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

Rirse posted:

How come the short Time Crash not on iTunes or youtube in the US? Before I had to suffered through Voyage of the drat (the name given to the audiences watching it), I saw that was suppose to be in-between, but gave up watching since I can't find it on either and only see really low quality mirrors on Youtube that probably be cropped to get around copyright claims. Imagine this will be the case later when I get to Night of the Doctor too.

Time Crash has been missing from the BBC YT channel for years. Night was officially released by the BBC on YT and it's still up though.

Edit: I know because I just rewatched it and Paul McGann is the best.

Rirse
May 7, 2006

by R. Guyovich

Rhyno posted:

Time Crash has been missing from the BBC YT channel for years. Night was officially released by the BBC on YT and it's still up though.

Okay cool. I didn't go looking for that as I will wait until I get up to Day of the Doctor to rewatch that one. As bad as Voyage of the Damned was at parts, at it still at least entertaining. Can see why it not liked as it a pretty pointless episode in the longrun from I gather.

corn in the bible
Jun 5, 2004

Oh no oh god it's all true!
https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SomeHospitableFrog-mobile.mp4

Jerusalem
May 20, 2004

Would you be my new best friends?



The first volume of Classic Doctors, New Monsters was an exciting concept that was also largely free to coast along on its gimmick: take Doctors from the classic/TV movie period and pair them with aliens/monsters specifically from the revival era. Volume two was always going to have a steeper hill to climb, because not only was the gimmick no longer fresh, but Big Finish's access to revival material has only been growing and the new "monsters" are showing up all over the place now. While not quite as strong a line-up as the first volume, the pairings are for the most part well-handled and there is an interesting through-line of the Doctor slowly being weighed down by his failures to save those who need his help, yet still managing to end the volume on a nicely hopeful note that reflects the revelations of Night of the Doctor.



Synopsis: The 4th Doctor's attempts to cheer himself up at an amusement park ends in the death of thousands.

What I Thought: Pairing the 4th Doctor with the Vashta Nerada would have been enough to warrant my purchase of this volume by itself. I can only imagine how the Hinchcliffe era and it's Hammer Horror inspirations would have handled something like them, and about the closest we'll get to see that is in this story. Borrowing very heavily from the basic storyline of Moffat's Library 2-parter that introduced the aliens, it's again the inclusion of Tom Baker/the 4th Doctor that allows this story to stand apart. The rich owner of a planet arrives with a specialist crew to investigate why all communication suddenly ceased there, only to find all the people missing aside from a mysterious person calling himself The Doctor who insists he knows more than everybody. This Doctor clashes with the smart and capable female leader of the specialist crew, who also has a personality conflict with the rich owner bankrolling their mission. As noted it is basically just the set-up for Silence in the Library - the difference comes in the 4th Doctor's personality, the aggressive nature of Steele (played by the wonderful Pam Ferris), plus of course the lack of a companion to help ground the Doctor.

After the initial fun of the crew landing on the empty Amusement Park Planet (yes, like the Library, the park takes up ALL of the planet) and angrily brandishing guns at the Doctor as he cheerfully rides the Dodg'ems, things take a dark and grim turn. The Doctor, slightly melancholy after the recent departure of unnamed traveling companions, is disgusted by Steele and her employer Donnelly - the former because she is so aggressive and desires combat, the latter because her only concern is financial - but takes a liking to the Silicon-based lifeform that acts as the "muscle" and Phelan, a young woman with minor psychic abilities. After discovering the stripped skeletons of the planet's work-crew, the Doctor quickly figures out they're dealing with a microsopic predator but doesn't grasp WHICH predator that is until Phelan forces herself to experience the final moments of one of the dead crew. The Vashta Nerada, normally peaceful, lashed out after their forests/eco-systems were wiped out by Donnelly and have discovered a taste for human flesh AND revenge. Of course Steele takes that as a challenge, much to the Doctor's disgust, and sets out to hunt them as the crew are picked off one by one. The crew is small and the "extras" are very quickly wiped out, and those that are left get a chance for a big of character development. Phlan's fate is well-handled, and Steele manages to stay true to her character while also demonstrating there is a little more to her than meets the eye. Though Pam Ferris does get a chance to shine, it's really the Tom Baker show of course, and I don't think anybody going in thought or wanted it to be any different.

What I find particularly interesting about this story, other than the thrill of Baker playing the 4th Doctor of course, is that despite the melancholy that marked the end of his era this story still largely acknowledges that the 4th Doctor was, well, fun! Yes he could be outraged or disgusted or sarcastic, but in general he just kind of greatly enjoyed himself as he blundered his way cheerfully through alien invasions, monster attacks, bases under siege etc never quite taking anything all that seriously. In the wider sense you can turn that into the idea that this Doctor was old enough to have perspective but young enough not to be jaded, but it's mostly down to Baker's performance choices. So as people die, as the Doctor pleads with people to just loving listen to him and leave the goddamn planet to the Vashta Nerada, there is never a sense of despair. Even at the end when everybody else has died, leaving only the Doctor alive his sad admonishment of himself "I should have saved somebody" doesn't feel like he is being crushed under the agony of his failure.



Synopsis: Drawn back to the dawn of time when his own people were waging war on the Universe, the 5th Doctor attempts desperately to save somebody, ANYBODY.

What I Thought: The weakest of the story, it shares many of the same themes that are present throughout the rest of the volume but suffers horribly from the (show accurate) voices of the Racnoss. The 5th Doctor, no stranger to "EVERYBODY DIES!" stories, probably gets the most successful end result of all four parts. Unwillingly drawn back to the dawn of time when his TARDIS picks up an ancient distress call from the Time Lords that countermands all his attempts to ignore it, he ends up in his own people's past which is a BIIIIIIGGGGGG no-no. Gallifrey is at war with the other elder races present at the dawn of time, seeking to consolidate their status as the technologically supreme race of the Universe and take control of Time itself. The great peaceful, non-interfering society of the Time Lords was built on blood and destruction, responsible for the genocide of - presumably among others - the Racnoss. This is the war the Doctor is pulled into, discovering the aftermath of a terrible battle. The last surviving "Web" holds the injured consort of the mighty Racnoss Empress, spitting hatred at the Doctor who it assumes has come to mock it in its death-throes. Irritated but in no mood to just let somebody die, the Doctor lets the Consort into his TARDIS and returns it to the Empress' court where he is - of course - immediately made captive and thrown into a cell with two other Gallifreyans who have no idea he is from their future.

What follows is the Doctor doing everything he can to try and prevent MORE death and destruction, and failing again and again and seeing every victory he achieves turn to dust. The Empress was betrayed by the Emperor, who has taken control of their hatchlings and abandoned them to fight Gallifrey alone. So she tasks the Doctor with finding the Emperor, not for revenge but so she can take his seal and gift it to her Consort to bring her remaining Racnoss into line. The Doctor succeeds in this only to learn that - of course - she was lying in order to both get the seal AND precisely locate the Emperor to send her Racnoss in to kill him. Plus, of course, the Emperor didn't betray her but was betrayed himself by her and only escaped with his life by sheer luck. So the Doctor takes off to try and warn the Emperor to learn that - of course - he poisoned the seal to kill the Consort just to gently caress with the Empress, and that rather than living in exile he has been relocating HIS Racnoss to attack her last remaining hatchery and destroy any future her particular bloodline might have. In the process, one of the Gallifreyans is brutally killed, and the Doctor is left horrified and saddened at all the utterly needless death around him even without his own people attacking the Racnoss. But he remains optimistic, not yet bowed down by the weight of the many deaths he has seen in his lives, and he finds a mad way to save the hatchery and hide the Racnoss hatchlings away to live free of the influence of either Emperor or Empress or Time Lords. The desire of the surviving Gallifreyan to abandon the war and be taken to see the universe instead of conquering it gives him another boost, and the story finishes on a bright note despite all the deaths. He will not be so lucky in the next story.

Just as an aside, the Racnoss Empress is played here by Adjoa Andoh (and the Emperor by Nigel Planer!), who most of us are probably familiar with as Martha's mother in season 3 of the revival. She mimics the Empress from The Christmas Invasion perfectly, but just as it was there it is an incredibly awful, distracting and perplexing voice/mannerism. The hammy overacting, a staple of RTD's Christmas Specials that sometimes worked and sometimes didn't, don't translate well into audio. They're just aggravating to listen to, and overall diminish the quality of the story. It is absolutely NOT the fault of Andoh or Planer, but what a waste of both.



Synopsis: Powered by the paradox of their earlier encounter with a later incarnation, three Carrionites attempt to use the 6th Doctor as a source of power. Of course, words are also their weakness, and who uses words better than the 6th Doctor?

What I Thought: Not particularly great monsters are used absolutely perfectly with about the best Doctor possible to choose from. The Carrionites, from season 3's The Shakespeare Code, were an interesting concept but nothing that I felt anybody was particularly champing at the bit to see again. This story serves as, paradoxically, a sequel to that episode. The Carrionites were imprisoned at the end of that episode but several hundred years later they have managed to possess three townspeople and wreak havoc. The 6th Doctor arrives on the scene and they immediately plot their revenge on him, revenge for something he has yet to do and won't even get to do in this regeneration's lifetime. But of course they are creatures for whom words have "power", and that gives Colin Baker the chance to "go on a voyage around the English language" which is always an absolute treat. The sheer joy with which he throws out words both long and short, and his repeat of the thought process he'll undergo as the 10th Doctor to figure out the name of the Carrionites are all well-executed. The story also cleverly walks the line of making the Doctor just aware enough to know the Carrionites are in his future without knowing exactly when that will be, what he did to them, or who else was involved at the time.

Unfortunately the story requires a suspension of disbelief that I couldn't quite bring myself to muster. It begins with a local town (village?) council breezily going about innocuous daily business before suddenly dragging in an elderly woman and accusing her of being a witch. This is to set up the pre-credits twist of the terrified woman suddenly cackling and admitting she IS a witch... but the council's completely non-plussed and business-like handling of the very idea of witchcraft is bizarre and NEVER explained. When the Doctor arrives on the scene, they're tying the women to the stake to burn them to death and everybody in attendance is completely onboard with the idea. I can only assume there was supposed to be SOMETHING to suggest that the Carrionite's influence had seeped into the town and caused people to be more open to mysticism and even more "primitive" in their reactions... but as far as I can tell this is never verbalized or even subtly suggested. So characters who are keen to involve the police or call in the army are also the same type who thought they could immolate a living human being purely on the authority of being a member of the local council that also organizes Doggy Christmas parties and prize-givings for garden shows. Is it supposed to be sly commentary on local politics? Wouldn't this story have worked better in the 1880s instead of the 1980s? The only reason I can think it didn't is because then they couldn't have had the (rather lovely) reference to Jago and Litefoot.

Katy - this story's quasi-companion - is a well-written and acted character somewhat in the mold of Ace. Considered an outsider by the village even before she left to study political science, her black clothing and make-up made a great (audio!) visual contrast to the Doctor's colorful attire, with the latter being mistaken for a clown and just playing along because why not? The daughter of the local Reverend, who himself isn't quite what you'd expect, she is horrified by the Carrionites but also intrigued, and the notion of traveling with the Doctor through time and space immediately appeals to her. But every time they think they have the Carrionites contained or controlled, things turn horribly wrong, and it takes some time for the Doctor to eventually figure out that HE is the source of their power, due to the paradox of their "second" meeting. Compelled by the "science" of the Carrionites, they are helpless to do anything until Katy makes a conscious choice to do what she feels must be done, leaving the Doctor to suffer with the guilt. The girl who saw a whole universe of possibilities open up to her now has none, and in spite of her father's kind words to the Doctor he can't help but leave the story feeling like a failure. The weight is starting to tell on the Doctor's shoulders - this story explicitly takes place very shortly after The Trial of a Time Lord and the shadow of the Valeyard and the Doctor's own future was already looming large. But even knowing what could be coming, he has no idea just what horrors ARE coming.



Synopsis: Racing to the rescue only to arrive BEFORE the disaster, the 8th Doctor is unwillingly drawn into a nasty little experiment of the Time War and does what he can to fix it.

What I Thought: It initially felt a bit cheap to have the Vashta Nerada be the villains of both the first story AND this one, but it works. They bookend the volume, and their presence here helps to highlight just how much the Doctor has dealt with since his 4th Incarnation. Yes he still believe he can save the day, he still believes he can ride to the rescue, but this is the Doctor with a battered heart - the romantic who has time and time again been shown how dark and nasty and futile everything can be. As deaths come now, he regrets but has no time to mourn, and it has all become far too familiar. So too have the abominations that the denizens of the Universe seem to actively seek out and engage with/in: a human science station in space has captured the surviving Vashta Nerada from Fun World (the 4th Doctor left a warning message of a ecological biohazard that held back visitors for several centuries at least) and has taken to genetically engineering them for a variety of purposes. One in particular is helping fund all their other research: the Time Lords have ordered the creation of Vashta Nerada that can eat Dalekanium, and plan to unleash it into the Time War.

Yes this Classic Doctors, New Monsters volume also serves as a tie-in to the Time War that Big Finish finally got the license to produce audios for. Present is Cardinal Ollistra, played by Jacqueline Pearce once more as she did in the four War Doctor volumes of which there will sadly be no more. As always looking for an edge in the war with the Daleks, Ollistra has come to collect her Vashta Nerada, only for plain old greed to create the disaster the Doctor repeatedly warned them was inevitable. A crew member has seen the chance for profit (and a name-drop of Dorium Maldovar, roughly placing this story in the 52nd Century) and caused a momentary power-blackout in order to grab Vashta Nerada vials and make a run for it. But the Doctor, Ollistra and station head Eva Morrison are trapped in the laboratories, with Vashta Nerada having taken the split-second drop in power to immediately break free of their "inescapable" confines. The trio make their way from lab to lab, having to deal with different bio-engineered versions of the Vashta Nerada - one giant one, reverse ones that hide in light rather than shadow etc - as they try to get to Ollistra's Battle TARDIS. Her personal bodyguard accidentally causes the release of the Vashta Nerada stolen by the crewmember (and his death) and has to escape them himself while trying to track down Ollistra. When they finally meet and learn her Battle TARDIS is compromised, they make a run for the Doctor's and escape the station after setting it to self-destruct. But of course some of the Vashta Nerada have escaped with them, causing the Doctor to do something EXTREMELY dangerous to try and shake them clear. The end result, including a heartbreakingly dark ending for Eva after we learned of her reason for working with the Vashta Nerada in the first place, sees the Doctor and Ollistra the only two left alive.

This leads to what I feel is an absolutely wonderful and defining moment for the Doctor. Because over four distinct stories and four distinct lives we've seen him deal with death and destruction. We've seen him fail and falter and gently caress-up and people have died as a result. We've seen his efforts to find something better or offer another way spurned or lost before they could be taken up. And we've seen him slowly get worn down and bowed down by the weight of it all. Keep in mind that before Night of the Doctor and the reveal of the War Doctor, the presumption had always been that it was the 8th Doctor who "pushed the button" that ended the Time War only ever referred to in the Revival. Keep in mind that Big Finish - despite knowing they couldn't touch Revival stuff - guessed the same and deliberately began writing their 8th Doctor audios to reflect he was traveling down a dark path to an inevitably bleak conclusion. But now they CAN touch Revival stuff, they CAN talk about the Time War. Plus we know about the War Doctor, we also know that he did NOT do it. So the 8th Doctor was, to a certain extent, exonerated. So after facing all this bleakness and horror and death, the Doctor is asked by Ollistra why he won't just give up his stupid convictions and come do the right thing? Why won't he fight? His answer is goddamn beautiful and makes the whole volume worth it.

The 8th Doctor posted:

I'm not a Warrior. I'm a Doctor :unsmith:

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May 26, 2006


Wheat Loaf posted:

At the same time, he's said he has a five-year plan for the series and the BBC have committed to letting him go with it, so that will hopefully be interesting to see.

Hopefully he has a plan for a multi-doc episode in there, reckon Tennant will be getting a bit old to play the 10th by the 60th anniversary.

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