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Viridiant posted:I liked the parts of this chapter that didn't involve Dogtooth. This might be the worst Luffy fight in the manga. Conversely, I've liked the parts of this chapter, and arc, that involve Dogtooth...except that Luffy keeps dragging the scenes they're sharing down. He's a fun character (Katakuri), while Luffy's been largely tedious for a long while now, sadly.
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To be serious for a moment, I think this fight between Luffy and Katakuri is narratively necessary. It explains why guys like Crocodile couldn't cut it in the end. It sucks to see Luffy continually get his face punched in, but I'm extremely confident everyone would be complaining if Luffy had an easy go with this fight. I don't really care about 'The Shonen Formula', but in the One Piece world, it makes sense that the Yonko chief underlings are serious business. I'd rather have had the Doffy fight be half as long to compensate for this fight, but One Piece is a weekly serial, and it's never going to be a concise, tight story. It's kind of silly to expect that, given it's format. Anyway, I have no idea how the Straw Hats are gonna get outta this, and I'm looking forward to the next chapter.
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Jan 13, 2018 08:28
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I felt totally okay with the Katakuri fight up until Luffy ran away and then came back. The fight was actually pretty well-paced before that, with interesting developments happening basically every time we cut over to it, but since then it's just felt like a slugfest without much progression.
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hell astro course posted:It sucks to see Luffy continually get his face punched in, but I'm extremely confident everyone would be complaining if Luffy had an easy go with this fight. I don't really care about 'The Shonen Formula', but in the One Piece world, it makes sense that the Yonko chief underlings are serious business. The problem is that it's not serious business enough, given how many hits Luffy has taken without going down. Oda should have either just let Luffy run away from Katakuri or have Luffy win by "cheating" with water or something. Luffy surpassing Katakuri like this is dumb.
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Jan 13, 2018 08:38
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I was way into the donut reveal but the fights been a little drawn out since then. luffy struggling is fine and appropriate for who he's fighting but I do feel like some of the cutaways to their fight are a waste of my time
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It's not really the length I have a problem with, it's that the fight's been more of a straight line than a rollercoaster. There's not a real sense of progression, nor is there a real sense of losing ground. Katakuri can't beat Luffy, but Luffy continues to be barely able to hit Katakuri. The fight hasn't had a ton of cool visuals, nor has it had many gags, which are usually the best parts of One Piece fights. The first real sense of progression after Katakuri's donut feast happened was lost not long after that as he regained his composure. I don't want the fight to be short, I want it to be varied. Viridiant fucked around with this message at 09:03 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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Jan 13, 2018 08:55
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Luffy is going to pull some masterful move and the whole fight will have been worth it
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Yeah, I really wanna be able to look back at this fight with a smile and Oda's certainly done that before. I didn't enjoy Skypiea at the time but now it's one of my favorite arcs. Here's hoping!
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Let's be honest with ourselves: with the remaining Straw Hats and the cake crew all converging onto a single point, and the description of the cake as practically being a divine object, we all know that Luffy is going to be eating the cake and poo poo's going to go even further off the rails.
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Jan 13, 2018 10:11
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Silver2195 posted:The problem is that it's not serious business enough, given how many hits Luffy has taken without going down. buddy, I don't know about you, but my heart is breaking seeing Luffy getting his face continually caved in... Maybe cause I DON'T care about fightmans, this arc is working for me
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Jan 13, 2018 12:25
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What if Luffy just straight up loses, and the crew has to bolt off with him with only the cake to distract would-be pursuers? What if Luffy has to learn he can't solve his problem by bashing his face against it until he can outmuscle it? It won't happen, especially since it was kinda the point of his freakout after Marineford, but his strategy is mostly "lose until I win" at this moment.
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Jan 13, 2018 12:35
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I feel like this is sort of dumb and dragged out but the end result is gonna be Luffy looking like  , mastering the precognition-level haki which makes Dogtooth flustered enough for Luffy to take the opening and annihilate him which is actually gonna be pretty great.
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I'm enjoying the Katakuri fight and the panel with Luffy instantly meeting that giant fist with an elephant gun owned.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:24
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Clearly this’ll wrap up after Luffy challenges Dogtooth to an doughnut eating contest.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:33
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Bunch of people in here who probably caught up to OP in 2017. The manga moves slow af week to week, that's been the complaint about every arc in real time since forever. You'll all reread the arc when it's complete* and marvel about the pacing when you can read 10 chapters in like 30 minutes instead of 4 months. *in about 18 months 
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Jan 13, 2018 17:37
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I heard something weird by a friend who read the chapter. They said that Pudding is younger than Flambe, who is 15. That can't be right, right?
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Mraagvpeine posted:I heard something weird by a friend who read the chapter. They said that Pudding is younger than Flambe, who is 15. That can't be right, right? Going by the wiki that is correct as it says she is at most 15.
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Mraagvpeine posted:I heard something weird by a friend who read the chapter. They said that Pudding is younger than Flambe, who is 15. That can't be right, right? Flambe is the 33rd daughter. Pudding is the 35th, so
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Jan 13, 2018 17:44
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There's a number of child numbering problems during this arc that contradict each other or make no sense. From what I've heard, they've been mostly fixed in the volume releases. It seems Oda sometimes isn't that great at keeping a bunch of relative ages and orders in line. 
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Jan 13, 2018 17:53
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will chopper ever get a real bounty
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Luffy is gonna reach katakuri's level of precognition and then the fight just ends. They'll just stand there perfectly predicting each other's moves and go "what the gently caress do we do now?"
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QuasiQuack posted:Luffy is gonna reach katakuri's level of precognition and then the fight just ends. They'll just stand there perfectly predicting each other's moves and go "what the gently caress do we do now?" didnt some other anime do that
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Jan 13, 2018 19:24
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Has anyone said Wed D. Ing Cake yet
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JahRoo posted:will chopper ever get a real bounty I'm waiting for Chopper to get a real bounty after devouring whichever of Big Mom's kids ate the cotton candy fruit
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Ziddar posted:There's a number of child numbering problems during this arc that contradict each other or make no sense. From what I've heard, they've been mostly fixed in the volume releases. It seems Oda sometimes isn't that great at keeping a bunch of relative ages and orders in line. Boy I really hope it's this and not "Oda is friends with two convicted pedophiles for a reason"
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Real Cool Catfish posted:Clearly this’ll wrap up after Luffy challenges Dogtooth to an doughnut eating contest. Holy poo poo, new theory - Katakuri will be defeated when they come out into the real world in front of Sanji’s cake and he goes on an epic sugar binge.
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Kild posted:didnt some other anime do that toriko did, and everybody says thats when it jumped the shark but i thought it was pretty fun
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Blockhouse posted:Boy I really hope it's this and not "Oda is friends with two convicted pedophiles for a reason" 
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Kild posted:didnt some other anime do that sherlock holmes 2 did
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Luffy is going to hit Dogtooth so hard he goes flying!
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Pewdiepie posted:Luffy is going to hit Dogtooth so hard he goes flying! Into the cake and big mom eats it and him and then dies from having two fruits
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I like how each time big mom is rebuffed or delayed, she becomes even more of a threat. More like a force of nature than a defeatable opponent at this point.
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U-DO Burger posted:Your opinion is "Oda writes well so he will have the arc go exactly as I think it should", which is dumb The possible options available are a binary choice between (a) his big fight this arc is Katakuri and he won't face Big Mom now or (b) his big fight this arc will be Big Mom. I think him not facing Big Mom is a bad thing for reasons I have explained, and which tie in to why I enjoy One Piece. If he doesn't fight Big Mom then the character and overall comic will become somewhat lesser to me. You can replace "bad writing" with "writing that makes One Piece something I don't read it for" if you wish. It's not so much that I think "writing I enjoy out of One Piece is X happening and will accept no other possibility", it's that I think "writing that I won't enjoy in One Piece is X happening and I don't want to see that", but X in this case is one half of a binary choice. I don't care whether Carrot or Pudding join the crew (or the armada) for instance. I don't think they will join the crew at least, since they don't really seem to fit the usual criteria, but whether they do or don't makes no odds to my perception of the manga or it's characters. This does. Mraagvpeine posted:There is a way for this to work. When she gets her cravings again, instead of a specific dessert she wants "something made by Sanji" after having that delicious cake he made. I mean it could; but at that point its just repeating an already used plot point almost beat for beat. Which I imagine would feel stale, especially if she starts to body morph due to starvation and her family note that she's never been hungry for this long before and so is a new and unknown terror even for them. And so on. U-DO Burger posted:maybe, just maybe, Big Mom won't decide to let bygones be bygones after the Strawhats escape after ruining one of her big events, destroying tons of her poo poo, and making off with a Road Poneglyph rubbing If Sanji's cake was to settle things on it's own then that isn't possible. The only way it could settle things without further intervention necessary is by either immediately knocking her out or making her so happy she lets the Strawhats leave. Cran posted:What if Luffy just straight up loses, and the crew has to bolt off with him with only the cake to distract would-be pursuers? What if Luffy has to learn he can't solve his problem by bashing his face against it until he can outmuscle it? His strategy isn't "lose until I win", it's "keep trying to figure out this whole precognition thing until I get it". Something he's in the midst of doing in this very chapter. He's not gonna win because Katakuri just runs out of steam or something, and isn't not dying because he's invincible; he's just got more stamina than Flambe or Katakuri expect. Something that's been true of Luffy (and Zoro, Usopp, and others) for nearly 900 chapters now. Luffy has straight up lost several times in the past; against Ao Kiji, against Kuma and against Akainu. He's never learned that he can't solve problems by punch harder, because that's not what One Piece is about and changing that nearly 900 chapters in would feel very out of place. tsob fucked around with this message at 02:11 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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wait nvm i was wrong
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I’m wondering if she’s going to stone cold murder candy tongue boy the moment she realizes the cake is on one of her ships, and he lied about the strawhats stealing it.
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brainSnakes posted:I’m wondering if she’s going to stone cold murder candy tongue boy the moment she realizes the cake is on one of her ships, and he lied about the strawhats stealing it. Well it's on Bege's ship so he can probably cover his own rear end if he thinks quick.
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"I didn't lie Mama, it was on Bege's ship because it was a mystery cake"
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I still feel like this entire thing where Luffy can barely beat Mama's first in command, in effect, is showing that the warlords are no laughing matter and that the Straw Hats will escape by the skin of their teeth and someone else will probably swoop in and beat Big Mom like Weevil, who will eventually lose to someone like Jack in a pure strength matchup, and gives Luffy someone stronger to overcome or befriend later on. One Piece is about the destination, we can take a hit on the Straw Hats not being stronger than one of the 8 strongest people in the world this early into the New World.
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RealFoxy posted:I still feel like this entire thing where Luffy can barely beat Mama's first in command, in effect, is showing that the warlords are no laughing matter and that the Straw Hats will escape by the skin of their teeth and someone else will probably swoop in and beat Big Mom like Weevil, who will eventually lose to someone like Jack in a pure strength matchup, and gives Luffy someone stronger to overcome or befriend later on. One Piece is about the destination, we can take a hit on the Straw Hats not being stronger than one of the 8 strongest people in the world this early into the New World. Early it's been what 5-6 years now?
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RealFoxy posted:I still feel like this entire thing where Luffy can barely beat Mama's first in command, in effect, is showing that the warlords are no laughing matter and that the Straw Hats will escape by the skin of their teeth and someone else will probably swoop in and beat Big Mom like Weevil, who will eventually lose to someone like Jack in a pure strength matchup, and gives Luffy someone stronger to overcome or befriend later on. One Piece is about the destination, we can take a hit on the Straw Hats not being stronger than one of the 8 strongest people in the world this early into the New World. Chapter 900 will be Blackbeard swooping in to take out big mom.
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