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Black Panther makes me think a movie based on Lothar and Mandrake the Magician could totally work; just have Lothar be an African prince faced with the struggles of modernity, neo-colonialism and the Herculean task of keeping a modern African country from getting totally hosed over by greedy monsters within and without, backed up by the aid of a stage magician who happens to have real powers of hypnotic illusion and convinced to use them for a worthy cause other than just entertaining people.
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Sergio Leone once wanted to make a Mandrake the Magician movie, after he'd made a Phantom movie (he started writing one and scouting locations but never got further than that).
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Jan 13, 2018 12:43
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Black Panther is going to do just fine at the box office considering they just started preselling tickets and it has already beat out every other Marvel movie in presold tickets.
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Jan 13, 2018 13:09
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I mean hell, Marvel movies have gotten stale enough that afro-futurism is exactly the kind of new weird poo poo I want to see just for a change of pace. It's unusual to see a superhero story focusing on the mythical hidden civilisation; they're usually places where superheroes and supervillains are from, not the setting of the bulk of the story; see Themiscyra, Gorilla City, Krypton, Atlantis (either one), Shangri-La, etc. It's a relatively new thing that the 'Other Place', whether it's a lost city, a hidden country, another world, Fairyland or Atlantis, is considered a place worth exploring on its own right with people the audience can identify with and care for.
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Jan 13, 2018 15:27
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Inescapable Duck posted:It's unusual to see a superhero story focusing on the mythical hidden civilisation; they're usually places where superheroes and supervillains are from, not the setting of the bulk of the story; see Themiscyra, Gorilla City, Krypton, Atlantis (either one), Shangri-La, etc. It's a relatively new thing that the 'Other Place', whether it's a lost city, a hidden country, another world, Fairyland or Atlantis, is considered a place worth exploring on its own right with people the audience can identify with and care for. A big reason behind that has been budget and FX constraints which is much less of a factor for the MCU and the DCEU. I haven't seen the Flash TV series episodes about Gorilla City but from what I can tell they mostly occurred in a forest, a prison block and a gladiator arena which are obviously cheaper options. The Iron Fist Netflix cheaped out even more when it had scenes set in K'un-Lun.
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Jan 13, 2018 15:48
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Was there much question that Black Panther would do well? It combines the broad appeal of Marvel movies with the a targeted appeal to black audiences who are hungry to see movies actually marketed to them.
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Jan 13, 2018 16:07
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JoeCL posted:Was there much question that Black Panther would do well? It combines the broad appeal of Marvel movies with the a targeted appeal to black audiences who are hungry to see movies actually marketed to them. How did you miss the endless posting and articles about whether an all black superhero movie can be succesful? Hwood has a whole recognizing the financial possibilities of mainstream black projects is fairly recent as well.
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Jan 13, 2018 16:36
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Shageletic posted:How did you miss the endless posting and articles about whether an all black superhero movie can be succesful? Was it about being successful or was it about the notion of race in Hollywood and being exploited and such? I probably missed a lot too.
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Jan 13, 2018 16:43
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JoeCL posted:Was there much question that Black Panther would do well? It combines the broad appeal of Marvel movies with the a targeted appeal to black audiences who are hungry to see movies actually marketed to them. People are stupidly predicting that racism would deflect the Marvel movie powerhouse which is in full steam ahead mode. While I'm sure that there are a number of like, skinheads and nazis who won't watch Black Panther, they'll be far outweighed by the huge numbers of fans and the new audiences. Like, this is the MCU film right before Infinity War. It's going to do well.
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Jan 13, 2018 16:52
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Gatts posted:Was it about being successful or was it about the notion of race in Hollywood and being exploited and such? I probably missed a lot too. The latter, not for a single second does anyone think this won't be a big hit.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:04
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At least we seem to have stopped saying, "This is the one that's finally going to sink Marvel! They've gone too far this time!"
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Rough Lobster posted:People are stupidly predicting that racism would deflect the Marvel movie powerhouse which is in full steam ahead mode. While I'm sure that there are a number of like, skinheads and nazis who won't watch Black Panther, they'll be far outweighed by the huge numbers of fans and the new audiences. In fact I bet the skinheads' reaction to the movie will be played up by the studio in order to get those sweet sweet passive liberal dollars. Bob Iger's eyes will turn to dollar signs if some inbred Nazi redneck assaults someone because of the movie kalel fucked around with this message at 17:19 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:At least we seem to have stopped saying, "This is the one that's finally going to sink Marvel! They've gone too far this time!" It's pretty clear at this point that it doesn't matter what is or isn't part of these movies, it's the brand is what's strong.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:19
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HUNDU THE BEAST GOD posted:It's pretty clear at this point that it doesn't matter what is or isn't part of these movies, it's the brand is what's strong. Not just the brand, but the tribalism as well. People feel an obligation to go see whatever Marvel shits out.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:21
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Hearing The Revolution Will Not Be Televised play over the trailer would have been my worst moviegoing experience of 2017, if I had not gone to watch Loving Vincent.
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Jan 13, 2018 17:22
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Shageletic posted:How did you miss the endless posting and articles about whether an all black superhero movie can be succesful? I don't take that as suggesting that people believe there's any possibility that Black Panther could fail, but that it's success is a foregone conclusion. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 18:55 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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Jan 13, 2018 18:33
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Gonz posted:Star Wars has fallen on HAAAAAAAAARD TIIIIIIIIIIIMES, DADDEH! 
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joylessdivision posted:This. If you will *If you wheel.
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Peanut President posted:*If you wheel. Thank you for correcting me. It was early.
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Gonz posted:Star Wars has fallen on HAAAAAAAAARD TIIIIIIIIIIIMES, DADDEH! Good ol' Lawd Vadah's 275 pounds o' natural red-eyed soul, daddeh!
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Jan 13, 2018 21:11
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Pablo Bluth posted:It's less satisfying when it's the other way around. After the box office bomb of Synecdoche, New York Charlie Kaufman went from being a hot property to spending years being unable to get a single thing made. Then Anomalisa also got a global box office return less than the reported budget... That's tragic about Anomalisa, that movie was something really special. Wheat Loaf posted:At least we seem to have stopped saying, "This is the one that's finally going to sink Marvel! They've gone too far this time!" Yeah, it's clear they're not going to sink overnight. I can imagine them slowly tapering off over a while (a long while), but it's frustratingly clear that they're here to stay.
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Jan 13, 2018 21:44
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Marvel dies when someone else finds a formula people like more. Not before and not until.
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basic hitler posted:Marvel dies when someone else finds a formula people like more. Not before and not until. Nah, Disney would just adapt to that formula and then that would be the new Marvel.
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Jan 13, 2018 23:23
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basic hitler posted:Marvel dies when someone else finds a formula people like more. Not before and not until. Or until people actually get bored of it, which has happened to every other major trend before.
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Jan 13, 2018 23:23
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Really this is the thing- Disney has, via its acquisitions of Marvel and Lucasfilm and probably Fox soon, reached a level of dominance that hasn't been seen in the industry since MGM in the Golden Age. On that level it becomes a sustaining loop- they own valuable IP, have more than enough money to exploit it, and so will keep making money to buy and exploit IP. If the market shifts to something other than superheroes, that's not all they have. If the fabled Mickey Mouse copyrights do finally sunset- they've already moved on. The clock hasn't even started ticking on the Marvel heroes or Star Wars. (With MGM it was theaters and stars under contract. And IP can't form a union.) This is why the ideal of "an open, competitive free market" doesn't work. Sure a big company will fall upon hard times eventually but... it takes a while.
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Snowman_McK posted:Or until people actually get bored of it, which has happened to every other major trend before. Marvel's like a genre now. That's like saying people will get bored of comedy movies
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Jan 13, 2018 23:30
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sergio Leone once wanted to make a Mandrake the Magician movie, after he'd made a Phantom movie (he started writing one and scouting locations but never got further than that). Oh no. In a second I was amazingly excited at the idea and then crushed with despair.
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Wandle Cax posted:Marvel's like a genre now. That's like saying people will get bored of comedy movies Or Westerns. Oh wait. And yes, Westerns have stuck around, as smaller, independent, artsy movies rather than the box office dominating monsters they once were.
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Wasn't the Hays' Code responsible for how popular Western movies and TV shows were? I thought I'd read that somewhere, since part of the Code dictated that the law was to be upheld, and since Westerns, due to the time period, had looser interpretations of exactly how the law would be upheld (i.e., they could just shoot the bastard, instead of having him arrested).
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Leavemywife posted:Wasn't the Hays' Code responsible for how popular Western movies and TV shows were? I thought I'd read that somewhere, since part of the Code dictated that the law was to be upheld, and since Westerns, due to the time period, had looser interpretations of exactly how the law would be upheld (i.e., they could just shoot the bastard, instead of having him arrested). I hadn't heard about Westerns but the Hay's code absolutely why we have the Noir genre as it is. You can't show graphic violence or talk about sex openly so we got bitching shadow deaths and innuendo. The Hay's Code was kinda garbage but it lead to some cool stuff.
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joylessdivision posted:I hadn't heard about Westerns but the Hay's code absolutely why we have the Noir genre as it is. You can't show graphic violence or talk about sex openly so we got bitching shadow deaths and innuendo. I could very well be wrong about that. I don't even remember where I picked that up at; I could have just read the Code dictated following the law and just extrapolated from there. But, I doubt that; I'm not sharp enough for that kind of thing.
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Mysteriously, debates over whether the superhero movie market could ever collapse would continue long after the debut of the last superhero movie in the great Cape Crash of 2021.
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Leavemywife posted:I could very well be wrong about that. I don't even remember where I picked that up at; I could have just read the Code dictated following the law and just extrapolated from there. But, I doubt that; I'm not sharp enough for that kind of thing. You did hear correctly. Since it was a past time period it was sold as a completely lawless point in history so they could be more violent. Even more importantly, IIRC a thing with the Hays Code was you had to be very careful with characters acting out of revenge. But in the wild west there was "no law" so violent revenge and revenge as a primary character motive could get by easily.
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I don't really buy the comparison with westerns. Not only were they a certain genre but they also had a particular setting and era and technology, etc. When people are talking about the superhero trend or bubble nowadays they're really only referring to Marvel and DC dominance. But those characters can make for all kinds of different movies. And not only have we had comic book movies for far longer than the post-X-Men era, we've had movies about characters with superhuman abilities for even longer than that.
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Lobok posted:But those characters can make for all kinds of different movies.
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You could also make a lot of different films in a western setting.
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Lobok posted:I don't really buy the comparison with westerns. Not only were they a certain genre but they also had a particular setting and era and technology, etc. When people are talking about the superhero trend or bubble nowadays they're really only referring to Marvel and DC dominance. But those characters can make for all kinds of different movies. And not only have we had comic book movies for far longer than the post-X-Men era, we've had movies about characters with superhuman abilities for even longer than that. Yeah. It's kind of like saying "I want people to get tired of action movies with superpowers".
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FreudianSlippers posted:You could also make a lot of different films in a western setting. There's a popular comic book character in Italy, Tex Willer. Unfortunately the one film adaptation of his comic sucks rear end, but it was basically about this cowboy Tex Willer travelling around the wild west hunting down Lovecraftian cultists and evil wizards and other weird stuff (like the pen and paper RPG Deadlands), it owned. Anyway given Italian film industry's ability to latch onto and mash-up and rip off anything in the late 70s and throughout the 80s, I was always sad that movie sucked so bad since it would have been cool to have had that spawn a batch of spaghetti horror westerns in the 80s. In modern times though I'm sure Cowboys and Aliens and Jonah Hex completely destroyed any notion of anything like that happening though. I mean for real how do you gently caress up a movies with such dead simple premises that badly.
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Timby posted:Not just the brand, but the tribalism as well. People feel an obligation to go see whatever Marvel shits out. I go to them because I like superheroes and have been wanting to see live action comic books since the 1960s.
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Neo Rasa posted:In modern times though I'm sure Cowboys and Aliens and Jonah Hex completely destroyed any notion of anything like that happening though. I mean for real how do you gently caress up a movies with such dead simple premises that badly. Cowboys and Aliens was one of those weird "We wrote a comic book to make a movie" things and I think "Jonah Hex" was supposed to be R rated at some point but then got cut to PG-13 because Warner or DC freaked about an R rating for reasons that I'm hazy on.
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