|
Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:It's truly an absurdity that we already grant these rights to people with some jobs, but not programmer man at google.
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 05:59
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 23:40 |
|
|
Somfin posted:The wording is 'activities or affiliations.' Speech and belief ain't included. activities has been interpreted broadly (from the small amount of effort I put in to checking this out) so writing a memorandum and circulating it may be covered. the memorandum was written in response to feedback to a diversity training summit they had. later he was sent to another where he raised the same thing. not to say i think he'll win the case; i don't know the law, but if there's uncertainty i imagine it'll come down to the judge's personal views
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 06:04
|
|
|
i hope he loses just because he’ll be completely hosed. torpedoing your career can work out if you get a big enough settlement to live off for the rest of your life but if you lose then you’re just that: hosed.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 06:21
|
|
|
I so t like to speak of other people appearance but is this gentleman’s nose something that would need to come up like would the nudge need to tell the jury not to spend undue time discussing his nose or anything
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 07:16
|
|
|
Somfin posted:The wording is 'activities or affiliations.' Speech and belief ain't included. lern 2 precedent bootch speech and belief are in fact included sry
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 08:24
|
|
|
Somfin posted:The wording is 'activities or affiliations.' Speech and belief ain't included. I'm not a lawyer, but that doesn't scan at all. How would you determine an employee's affiliation without their speech? Does everyone have a (D) or (R) attached to their name in HR? Protecting an employee's ability to self-identify as a member of a political party but then saying "if you vocalize any part of that you're vulnerable to punishment and termination" doesn't really read as the intent of the law
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 08:32
|
|
|
Squashing Machine posted:I'm not a lawyer, but that doesn't scan at all. How would you determine an employee's affiliation without their speech? Does everyone have a (D) or (R) attached to their name in HR? Protecting an employee's ability to self-identify as a member of a political party but then saying "if you vocalize any part of that you're vulnerable to punishment and termination" doesn't really read as the intent of the law For example, if Bob donated to the Proposition 8 campaign, and coworker Alice refuses to work with him because of that, and the dispute is not public, then the company is within rights to reassign either one or to terminate Alice, or even to summarily terminate Bob, but it can't order Bob to repudiate his affiliation with Proposition 8 and fire him for refusing. Gazpacho fucked around with this message at 11:01 on Jan 13, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 10:32
|
|
|
Attorney: And would it be fair to say that geppetto was surprised when you turned into a real boy?
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 11:00
|
|
|
Jeffrey of YOSPOS posted:firing someone should require winning a court case no matter what Considering how devastating being fired is to ones livelihood and the fact that companies are sharing employee info and give fired people a bad rep this really should be the case. At least until we have a safety net worth a drat.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 14:24
|
|
|
what the gently caress is it with google republican crybabies and having the grossest loving grease-soaked hair
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 14:28
|
|
|
BexGu posted:
what the gently caress lmbo
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 14:33
|
|
|
imo, if you put in a court filing that "saying there's bias against women" is equivalent to "raping a helicopter", the judge should be legally required to execute you by firing squad
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 14:42
|
|
|
Also the bits in the lawsuit where Damore's lawyer made it clear that all of the diversity stuff Damore complains about was optional and he just wanted in so that he would be better positioned for advancement. Like, he chose to go to those things. He made that decision; that was his own loving fault.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 14:48
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:"raping a helicopter" Tonight, on a very special Air Wolf
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 15:31
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:"raping a helicopter" 
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 15:40
|
|
|
cannot pake posted:I so t like to speak of other people appearance but is this gentleman’s nose something that would need to come up like would the nudge need to tell the jury not to spend undue time discussing his nose or anything the same women who mocked his nose now complain about his incel memos 
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 15:46
|
|
|
Main Paineframe posted:imo, if you put in a court filing that "saying there's bias against women" is equivalent to "raping a helicopter", the judge should be legally required to execute you by firing squad Have the trial moved to Utah so the firing squad could be legally used
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 16:26
|
|
|
Somfin posted:Also the bits in the lawsuit where Damore's lawyer made it clear that all of the diversity stuff Damore complains about was optional and he just wanted in so that he would be better positioned for advancement. Idk there's "optional" but still required to advance just like Japan does.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 17:20
|
|
|
google fired jimmy because no one really wanted to work with him after he said some retard poo poo and then defended it by hopping on Milo's dick so he deserves his tour on the fame train.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 17:35
|
|
|
Trials are expensive and often companies will just pay out 30-40% of their estimated costs in a settlement, so sexist google guy may get some scratch. also im calling it now that he still has google stock and if the lawsuit fails will do poo poo like show up on shareholders calls to "debate"
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 17:42
|
|
|
Hoping he gets mowed down by an alphabet robot car, and his final moments are immortalised on Google Street view. His nose makes a sad clown honk as the tyres pass over it. GRINDCORE MEGGIDO fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Jan 13, 2018 |
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 18:32
|
|
|
Lol at all the goons itt unironically defending this dipshit.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 19:19
|
|
|
Sorry, I meant "logically confuting their overtly emotional opponents with their cool and pragmatic rationality".
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 19:21
|
|
|
im not illogical, i'm not illogical! i yell as i slowly shrink and transform into a fox news analyst
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 19:26
|
|
|
marxism is good therefore google did the right thing facts a re racist/sexist
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 19:44
|
|
|
So can we say that diversity seminars are definitively ineffective?
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 20:06
|
|
|
Split Pea Superman posted:So can we say that diversity seminars are definitively ineffective? Something tells me he wasn't paying all that much attention
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 20:42
|
|
|
Split Pea Superman posted:So can we say that diversity seminars are definitively ineffective? lamo if you think things like diversity seminars and implicit bias workshops are about anything more about feelgoodism and legal liability
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 20:48
|
|
|
just another posted:lamo if you think things like diversity seminars and implicit bias workshops are about anything more about feelgoodism and legal liability They are about more. They’re about making millenials think “My coworkers are my family”
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 20:52
|
|
|
the workshops made this idiot really angry so they seem pretty effective to me
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 20:52
|
|
|
Split Pea Superman posted:So can we say that diversity seminars are definitively ineffective? PS lol that the plaintiffs voluntarily stuck their phalluses in a beehive and now complain that they got stung
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 21:05
|
|
|
Yo does this retard James Damore not realize that wanting more of one gender in a field also helps men? It's easier for a man to get a job in certain school districts because it's a predominantly female field.
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 21:07
|
|
|
Gazpacho posted:It's really hard to get a useful message across because the trainer needs to be familiar with both their own message and the opposing message of the right, and those who choose to become trainers rarely have the latter. also any training that fetishizes "attribute diversity" as an inherent good fails immediately for mystifying the problem at hand the one i got a bay area tech company was pretty good. they focused on being like "Yes, you can joke with your friends" but gave a bunch of heuristics like "if you've never been to someone's home for dinner, maybe don't make a sex joke" it sounds silly but i thought they did a good job not just going "don't gently caress your subordinates don't touch women ok legal says if you do bad things we're clear" this was *not* google however
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 21:09
|
|
|
imo the framing of workplace inclusion with the language of attribute diversity is a wrong turn. If the goal is inclusion then talk about inclusion
|
|
#
?
Jan 13, 2018 21:21
|
|
|
In retrospect chosing to bitch about  womenz and their biological difference making them less is pretty smart. So sure, I'll buy it, the reason that women make up ~50% of the population but only ~20% of tech jobs is related to their vaginas. Pure simple math.So why is it that Black or African American people make up ~12% of the US population but only ~4% of the tech jobs? Hispanic folk make up ~17% of the population but only ~4% are in tech jobs? I've been to a couple of diversity seminars in corporate, tech jobs and I gotta say they do spend a lot of time talking about how you shouldn't trample on the poor, vagina having women. But they also spend a chunk of time about how you shouldn't be a racist dick to your coworkers. Most of the ones I've attended were about being aware of your biases in hiring and promotions and less about welcoming helicoptor dicked dragonkins. But I make have just gotten lucky there. I just can't figure out why it would be that a person would chose a target like women's diversity efforts to discuss  about instead of one of these other statistics. It's almost as if the argument only works as long as everyone pretends to ignore all the other statistics about underrepresented groups in tech roles and/or... no... surely no one would be sexist or racist and hide it would they?
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2018 00:04
|
|
|
We should just nationalize Google.
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2018 00:05
|
|
|
COMRADES posted:We should just nationalize Google. too late in-q-tel sold their shares
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2018 00:08
|
|
|
Irom posted:marxism is good therefore google did the right thing Noted hotbed of marxism, silicone valley
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2018 00:09
|
|
|
time tofuck the choppa
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2018 00:11
|
|
|
|
| # ? May 26, 2024 23:40 |
|
|
Split Pea Superman posted:So can we say that diversity seminars are definitively ineffective? Limited evidence so far but iirc there are a few papers suggesting diversity training makes people more likely to discriminate not less
|
|
#
?
Jan 14, 2018 00:13
|
|