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G0RF posted:Spasiba! I wish I could believe this stuff these days.  I’ve been jaded by the fact that SC has been “about to die 100% nobody believes in it anymore!” for like at least 2-3 years. I have faith that Erin could be fired tomorrow, and CIG goes on for the next 8 months showing videos of dreams, with no patches or anything, and they’d still be fine by December. Now this is of course barring reality coming in like different law suits. So long as CIG manages to live outside the law and beyond reason and logic, they’ll be fine. My one huge underestimation in this whole thing has been to believe in people. That eventually they would realize they are being taken and the people they believe in are grossly negligent and not what they appeared to be. That the lies, when uncovered, would allow people to see. None of that was the case it seems. There’s still an enormous chunk of people who I don’t think will ever stop until CIG’s payment system is shut off. My one big takeaway from CIG and it’s supporters is to expect the impossible, never think anybody will accept truth, and even while being taken advantage of they will still believe they have the upper hand.
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I like it that they cut right when Lando is about to open the space garage door in the office. But at least we know who watches the streamers. No one. It's a loving wall TV. 
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Jan 13, 2018 19:23
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Raskolnikov posted:It's okay I'm a citizen. You can tell me about your "fleet." I'll pretend to be impressed and everything! I get all riled up for big fleets. My frisky meter peaks when you did the completionist and then bought everything else not included in the completionist package. I p much foam at the mouth with alluring hunger and lust if you talk about the tanks you have defending your space land.
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Jan 13, 2018 19:25
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Bofast posted:Nah, I like most of your posts, friend. Thank you, friend! 
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Jan 13, 2018 19:27
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The Titanic posted:I wish I could believe this stuff these days. There's an amazing documentary by the brilliant Adam Curtis called 'Hypernormalisation' that delves into these matters https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fny99f8amM It's well worth a watch, really. "Welcome to the post-truth world. You know it's not real. But you accept it as normal." Have a look at the chapter list on wikipedia and see if this thing doesn't pique your curiosity. From the old soviet union, to the technological utopians trying to build a world based on rules and numbers not politics and dogma, to UFOs to the Iraq war. You know it's a lie but you believe it anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HyperNormalisation Everyone knows there will never be a game, everyone knows that the physics, the flight model, the collision detection, the networking - all of it - is beyond salvage YET, and YET they continue to fund it every month. What's fascinating is that this level of paradoxical thinking is not without precedent, in fact it exists in every facet of our modern world - and this, this documentary right here, is the story of all of it.
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Jan 13, 2018 19:32
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If you haven't seen it yet Hawaii issued a false alarm for an incoming ballistic missile. https://twitter.com/IntelCrab/statu...genumber%3D1242 https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/statu...genumber%3D1242 How broken is it that the first thing I thought when I saw this was "this will be a good excuse not to make star citizen."
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Jan 13, 2018 19:50
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You forgot to poetically describe the "incredibly journey" everyone has been on
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Jan 13, 2018 19:56
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SomethingJones posted:There's an amazing documentary by the brilliant Adam Curtis called 'Hypernormalisation' that delves into these matters Agreed. Also, Century of the Self is a cracking series about manipulation of the masses.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:11
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SomethingJones posted:There's an amazing documentary by the brilliant Adam Curtis called 'Hypernormalisation' that delves into these matters All goons should watch all of Adam Curtis's docs. They are food for thought, all of them.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:12
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ManofManyAliases posted:You're a loving idiot. And furthermore. Uh-oh - angry MOMA has the rotation.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:13
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Chrislito's way was requested, here it is. You can see that Oldparp and Ortwin are trying to intimidate the jury while Crobbles handwaves:
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Jan 13, 2018 20:15
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SomethingJones posted:There's an amazing documentary by the brilliant Adam Curtis called 'Hypernormalisation' that delves into these matters the documentary is really great. The matter of fact is that at moment truth doesnt matter. Everything is subjective even objective things like truth. also do remember that the documentary was released made before trump presidency.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:15
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ManofManyAliases posted:I do. I play on the weekends with my friends - my system can actually handle it but, I'm using my ID for other stuff and just not ready to give it out yet = p WotGTheAgent, feel free to add me (or anyone else for that matter, if you are disturbed enough to actually have an SC account)
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Jan 13, 2018 20:18
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TheAgent posted:I use my ID for other stuff as well, just throw me an in-game invite, I won't post it anywhere, including here. I'm just tired of not being able to do anything in my starter ship. Shame too as I have so many different ships to try. I guess a lot of people don't get a sense of potential scale (once CIG figures out this poo poo) when they just use the starter ships. Maybe I'll use one of my other accounts.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:36
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The Titanic posted:I wish I could believe this stuff these days. I don’t think they’re about to die. I think I’ve been fairly cautious about that because we don’t know, won’t know, can’t know cash positions and even if we did we wouldn’t know whether additional arrangements exist which could extend CIG’s life. I DO think a lot of the whales have embraced a new narrative though, “Chris is the dreamer of dreams but Erin is the get-poo poo-done guy.” It’s not overly stated often but what this means is that there’s been a rebalancing of trust, with Erin receiving more as Chris retains less. CIG seems aware of this and Erin as the first guest on RTV suggests they’re very much mindful of the need to protect faith in the project. Having Chris speak about 3.0 in any capacity will only be salt in the wounds because he’s the guy who oversold and underdelivered in a huge way with 3.0 and people — even true believers and zealot megawhales — associate 3.0 with Chris’ chronic untrustworthiness issues. (And they’re quick to forget Erin’s not exactly sterling record of reliability, such as claims they’d have 3 big releases last year...) If Erin is the one they need to be able to trust most, then the optics, the presentation of Erin matters. The project seems to have taken a toll on Erin. I don’t mean that in a mocking way. He looks unhealthy and whatever the causes, it would be reasonable for believers to worry a little. Slouching posture and poor camera framing only magnified the effect and paradoxically conveyed this “the incredible shrinking Erin” imagery which I exaggerated visually to make more obvious. Consider the contrast with this Erin from 3 years ago. His posture isn’t exactly military grade but he seems far healthier and more crisp. It’s easier to watch as a result and more confidence boosting purely on the optics. Now, I recognize I’m purely talking about the Propagandistic side of things here. It’s cynical to coach on optics and shallow to judge on superficialities. These things don’t matter to me personally but CIG relies so very heavily on propaganda and need to because it’s the main tool in their tool kit and always has been. So for these reasons, these contemptibly shallow and manipulative reasons, they might want to get a little more on point when giving Erin screen time. (I’d add more about actually helping steer him in healthier directions for his and his family's sake but, well, I don’t think CIG listens to those.)
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Jan 13, 2018 20:40
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monkeytek posted:My most successful tactic in the old usenet days was to identify the one thing they have an irrational attachment to/belief in and then go to town. I loved the possibility to fup (follow-up) replies to your own posts. If you got the moment right, the nuclear meltdown wall of text reply would land in homoerotic fanfiction or the geriatric sex group or whatever. Some people made an artform out of this.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:46
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SelenicMartian posted:I like it that they cut right when Lando is about to open the space garage door in the office. It’s definitely interesting that they pipe Twitch streams of live gameplay into Turing’s Folly or whatever they call their coffee shop cafe. I’ve always wondered why CIG Devs like Matt Sherman have time to pop in and chat up streamers. And I’ve seen it happen often when guys like WTFO are dogging on some new frustration. Yet if a rogue streamer is talking shite about the game and it’s enlarged on a big rear end TV in a central hangout at CIG LA, well, perhaps there’s an explicable urgency. “Must disarm human timebomb before Chris walks through and sees this!” (They do it again here.) Also interesting as Lando gives his Inside CIG tour that he’s tweedling to multiple meetings about ships. And he interrupts a Dev working on a ship. Yeesh, it’s like he stumbled on a weed deal underway. Not exactly a warm welcome guys. Where’s the famous CIG LA workplace camaraderie? Take some lessons from Justin Chambers — that guy knows how to chill friendly. I am glad they included this walkabout, though. It has a quality we see very, very little of in CIG’s output these days; verisimilitude. That doesn’t necessarily mean authenticity; it’s the appearance of it. But inauthenticity is the defining feature of so very much of CIG LA’s content, and indeed, when I think of Lando now, I largely think of him framed in medium shots glibly delivering painfully contrived sales pitches and monologues right into a camera. “The Wonderful World of Star Citizen”, “Citizens of the Stars”, the Santa Claus ship sales pitch in the year end stream. The fakery of it all is front and center. CIG LA formerly employed Community Members with much higher levels of Personal Authenticity — Chelsea, James, Jen, Will, Thomas, and others all felt more real, more earnest. They came across like people not propagandists. So it’s the little moments in that “Inside CIG” clip that actually feel like real moments that are the most interesting. Lando walking up to Sandi and genuinely catching her off guard. She’s not mad, not happy, just obviously surprised and reacting so quickly to Lando not camera that it feels real. And Sandi doesn’t usually come across that way these days because she’s more mindful of cameras than most ands dons her Sandi! persona with lightning speed. Lando walking up to Forrest and that other guy and Forrest doing the same, though with what struck me as thinly-veiled hostility. That fake smile he dons at the end feels intended to telegraph his annoyance. Justin Chambers comes across as just as earnest and friendly by default as he was as recurring cast member on RTV, and that’s a good moment made better by its contrast with the Forrest Fire one. None of these little gets were substantive but they offered the briefest glimpses at the CIG LA that exists beneath the layers and layers of veneer. We know it usually as a Packaged Goods business, and those Goods are Fakery — Advertising, Ship Porn, Company Propaganda. Any little unguarded moments are like seeing the real code rather than the GUI so they the best stuff in my book. G0RF fucked around with this message at 21:13 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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Jan 13, 2018 20:52
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MedicineHut posted:Hold on. I thought that all items you pay for, even after destruction, respawn with you later. That not the case? loving lol. Late, but all the items you attach to your ship or to your commando, via the magic of cryengine, are actually attached to their model. So they are removed from your game inventory and stuck to your rear end (in the case of fancy grenades) and so on. When the game inevitably crashes, or you switch weapons, or you put on a helmet, or you cross some doors, or basically anything, your model tends to gently caress up in unexpected ways, which sometimes means that part of your rear end (and the fancy grenades attached) disappear into a pocket dimension. Now your items are gone from both the ingame inventory and the model and, since nothing is faked in this game, that means they are gone for good. You can't expect them to materialize some replacements from thin air, no, those items need materials, labor, and time to be produced. (In reality, the dumbasses at CIG have no way to figure out what you lost, since lots of the stuff required for doing so is handled client side).
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Jan 13, 2018 20:57
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Galarox posted:All people should watch all of Adam Curtis's docs. They are food for thought, all of them.
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Jan 13, 2018 20:59
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necroid posted:honestly, I haven't watched your video I think you probably owe it to yourself to not pursue your argument further, friend. Just my opinion though. 
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Jan 13, 2018 21:05
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Tortolia posted:Don't bother giving the assholes more ammo and don't give away your case. You've done the research and you are confident in what you are doing, just let the justice system go with it. I agree with this. StreetRoller, Don’t let popular opinion, regardless if it’s from goons or detractors, to cause you to tip your hand. Keep your big plays to yourself until it has its day in court.
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Jan 13, 2018 21:09
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ManofManyAliases posted:Shame too as I have so many different ships to try. I guess a lot of people don't get a sense of potential scale (once CIG figures out this poo poo) when they just use the starter ships. Maybe I'll use one of my other accounts. "scale" lol. I had a Starfarer. It's 25% spiral staircase, 70% useless/poorly planned out rooms, and 5% lovely cockpit. It feels just as light and floaty as every other ship and when you're sitting in the cockpit it has the same lack of scale as Elite.
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Jan 13, 2018 21:12
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Jan 13, 2018 21:14
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Perfect opportunity to double-park, imo.
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Jan 13, 2018 21:14
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The Saddest Robot posted:You can lose your purchased ships/equipment permanently by "playing" in pre-alpha? I can’t believe it’s true, but if it is it’s utterly hilarious. Especially to bugs. This would make CIG hands down the worst game company ever, even if their product was mostly functional.
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Jan 13, 2018 21:15
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Jan 13, 2018 21:18
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Beet Wagon posted:"scale" lol. I somehow get the feeling moma doesn't play star citizen as much as he spends time talking about star citizen 
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Beet Wagon posted:"scale" lol. Granted I only play Elite in VR nowadays, but the sense of scale is phenomenal so this is a poor analogy. Even in 2d it has a lot more sense of size and mass than the mousey clickfest noclip start citizen though.
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Jan 13, 2018 21:20
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ManofManyAliases posted:I do. I play on the weekends with my friends - my system can actually handle it but, I'm using my ID for other stuff and just not ready to give it out yet = p Turds like you should take long walks off proverbial short piers. SC is rear end and will always run like rear end because Crobblets doesn't understand anything technical much less big-o notation. Games is hosed. Get a refund commando. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 13, 2018 21:21
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SomethingJones posted:There's an amazing documentary by the brilliant Adam Curtis called 'Hypernormalisation' that delves into these matters This looks good.  It’s always been a nice conversation with my friends and colleagues about public acceptance, especially with how things are going politically right now in the country (USA).
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G0RF posted:This is exactly what I’m talking about! If he does these walkabouts as a regular thing it will be harder and harder to hide the empty office of 
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PrimeNerd posted:Turds like you should take long walks off proverbial short piers. The impression I got during the Kickstarter and which has been reinforced several times is that Chris Roberts adheres to the belief that CPU and GPUs are so powerful now that all technical problems can be tackled with brute force.
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Galarox posted:Uh-oh - angry MOMA has the rotation. I think he comes in after whoever the dumb person is. This is to rebuild any lost confidence by the dumb things that were posted. I also don’t see why moma won’t play SC with The Agent. I don’t think The Agent has ever burned somebody in all the times he’s been given some info, even when that info came from obviously fake sources. The only reason really would be the one everybody already knows: moma is just a poser out to pick on Derek and doesn’t actually own anything related to Star Citizen.
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Galarox posted:Chrislito's way was requested, here it is. You can see that Oldparp and Ortwin are trying to intimidate the jury while Crobbles handwaves: quote:"You can't handle the truth! Son we're making a game that needs an engine and that engine needs to be able to support an MMO; who's gonna do it? You? You, Developer Lesnick?!? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_frM44bBMfA&t=190s E: With thanks to Michaellanimeous in Discord! Nanako the Narc fucked around with this message at 22:42 on Jan 13, 2018 |
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his nibs posted:As someone who was looking forward to some hot space court action, I'm preparing myself for disappointment Hey I've seen TV, this can definitely still happen:
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Pixelate posted:Hey I've seen TV, this can definitely still happen: [*]CIG deletes all company emails
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G0RF posted:It’s definitely interesting that they pipe Twitch streams of live gameplay into Turing’s Folly or whatever they call their coffee shop cafe. I’d have to assume it’s because the twitch guys are their failure metric they are monitoring, very likely ones also on some kind of payroll that’s probably not directly from CIG but Oasis. It’s the same reason at my place we have big rear end TVs on the walls with AWS monitoring and instance health and alerts: if there’s a problem everybody can be the first to notice it before a client and we can fix it. These streamers are just that. If they get out of line somebody is going to log in to them and fix them. It’s really super great and I hope it pays off for CIG as it has for years. Their job is narrative and public opinion. It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if they also had a TV monitoring the topic headers of their Spectrum system as well as Reddit. Can’t let freedom of speech have too much leeway and criticism is bad for the bottom line!
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