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i wonder why quick release for wired controllers never caught on
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Jan 13, 2018 22:52
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OMG LIEK XBOX HUGE LOL just isn't the meme it used to be.
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Jan 13, 2018 22:52
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anthonypants posted:i wonder why quick release for wired controllers never caught on 
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Jan 13, 2018 23:09
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EnergizerFellow posted:OMG LIEK XBOX HUGE LOL just isn't the meme it used to be. buddy, I made a "turn 360 degrees" joke in here and someone didn't get it.
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Jan 13, 2018 23:17
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PleasureKevin posted:just think how much more miserable steam machines would be if they hadn't been delayed a year. it would be easy to see Steam Machines as a warning shot at Microsoft w/r/t the Windows store competing with Steam, but evidently it didn't work and Valve gave up immediately if that's the case. 
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Jan 14, 2018 00:40
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eschaton posted:if came out with an SDK at the same time and said “use this SDK for system abstraction and your code will run on all Steam Boxes, as well as every computer running Windows, Linux, and macOS under steam” they could have had a chance
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Jan 14, 2018 00:55
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anthonypants posted:i wonder why quick release for wired controllers never caught on wired controllers disappeared from the market
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Jan 14, 2018 00:57
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:wired controllers disappeared from the market
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Jan 14, 2018 01:08
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anthonypants posted:don't the ps4 and xbone still ship with wired controllers in the box No, not even the PS3 had wired controllers, they were all Bluetooth as standard. Xbox 360 still shipped with wired. In fact Xbox 360 didn't even have Wifi. EDIT: i originally said "not even the PS3 had wireless controllers" because i'm on a lot of heavy medication PleasureKevin fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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Jan 14, 2018 01:12
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anthonypants posted:don't the ps4 and xbone still ship with wired controllers in the box no, it’s just that wireless controllers became rechargeable and gained the ability to charge off their console i think at least the ds4 does communicate using the wire but it’s optional, they’re all wireless
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Jan 14, 2018 01:12
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PleasureKevin posted:No, not even the PS3 had wireless controllers, they were all Bluetooth as standard. 
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Jan 14, 2018 05:48
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PleasureKevin posted:No, not even the PS3 had wireless controllers, they were all Bluetooth as standard. Xbox 360 still shipped with wired. In fact Xbox 360 didn't even have Wifi. ps3 controllers did use Bluetooth but some very specific variant that if you wanted to use it with your computer required a Bluetooth dongle flashed with some specific firmware
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Jan 14, 2018 09:55
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Boiled Water posted:ps3 controllers did use Bluetooth but some very specific variant that if you wanted to use it with your computer required a Bluetooth dongle flashed with some specific firmware i am using a ps3 controller wirelessly right now with only the scptoolkit
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Jan 14, 2018 11:06
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Jan 14, 2018 11:16
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i meant to say "not even the PS3 had WIRED controllers" i regret the error PleasureKevin fucked around with this message at 14:05 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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Jan 14, 2018 14:02
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 xbox one sales vs xbox 360 sales month aligned in other words, the xbox 360, red ring and all, was a better selling console for much of it's life. i've heard it said that console sales are all about momentum. this is another area where Valve totally dropped the ball, btw. but that in mind, xbox one is not where it ought to be.
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Jan 14, 2018 14:10
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Shinku ABOOKEN posted:i am using a ps3 controller wirelessly right now with only the scptoolkit doesn't that do some weirdo driver hook to connect to the controllers despite them not doing a real bluetooth broadcast/handshake thing though? iirc all the stuff uses off the shelf bluetooth stuff, but shortcuts out of doing real pairing (which is wise as bluetooth is a shitshow on that end and both sony and apple are right to avoid the issue)
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Jan 14, 2018 14:10
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Shaggar posted:the original hueg xbox controller was great. it was the first good controller for a console. once again shaggar is right the nes max was the first great controller for a console
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Jan 14, 2018 14:35
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Jan 14, 2018 14:35
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yes, the controller that Microsoft immediately redesigned and discontinued, the one with 6 face buttons, the one with branding so obnoxious it reflected light into your eyes while you played, that is the "first" "good" controller
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Jan 14, 2018 14:41
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nintendo 64 - analog stick dreamcast - screen/memory-card in the controller playstation - dual analog sticks xbox - well, you see the branding is VERY large on the controller. it's shiny too. wii - motion controls iPhone - multi-touch ah yesh. the xboxsh ish the first good controller on thish lisht
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Jan 14, 2018 14:49
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on that list its the only good controller
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Jan 14, 2018 15:53
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PleasureKevin posted:No, not even the PS3 had wired controllers, they were all Bluetooth as standard. Xbox 360 still shipped with wired. In fact Xbox 360 didn't even have Wifi. X360 came with wireless, too non-bt wireless, but wireless nevertheless
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Jan 14, 2018 16:26
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Same with the bonex If I told you they make a console with bespoke wireless controller protocol and then eventually dumped it for something standardized, which console would I be talking about? (Hint it’s both the 360 and the bone) It’s like they’re literally incapable of learning from mistakes
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Jan 14, 2018 16:32
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the cable on the dreamcast controller came from the bottom because it was poop
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Jan 14, 2018 16:33
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Notorious b.s.d. posted:X360 came with wireless, too the core xbox 360 included a wired controller. many bundles came with a wireless version for extra cost. flakeloaf posted:the cable on the dreamcast controller came from the bottom the cable was at the bottom because of the VMU slots. also, there was a notch for the controller cable if you didn't like it at the bottom. you could attach it to the top if for some reason you cared.
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Jan 14, 2018 17:57
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:doesn't that do some weirdo driver hook to connect to the controllers despite them not doing a real bluetooth broadcast/handshake thing though? iirc all the stuff uses off the shelf bluetooth stuff, but shortcuts out of doing real pairing (which is wise as bluetooth is a shitshow on that end and both sony and apple are right to avoid the issue) it also requires some custom HID driver bullshit for input iirc
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Jan 14, 2018 18:31
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PleasureKevin posted:dreamcast - screen/memory-card in the controller pioneering technology that we still use today. i actually loved the whole vmu thing as a kid but the sides are rather perpendicular and close together on that controller which ultimately made it poo poo.
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Jan 14, 2018 19:36
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NEED MORE MILK posted:Same with the bonex didn't the 360 always use the proprietary protocol? i don't think they ever released a bluetooth/other standard version of the 360 controller. honestly it wasn't too bad; the thing got great range, battery life and the signal pretty much never dropped iirc. it did make it a bit of a headache to use with a pc though (both having to buy the dongle and having to gently caress about when the dongle invariably had some weird issue) ps3 controller works out of the box with my mac last i checked. not particularly useful in the grand scheme of things but i thought it was neat Generic Monk fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 14, 2018 |
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Jan 14, 2018 20:58
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i loved the dreamcast but its controller was garbage, and it's ridiculous to claim they couldn't have the wire come out the top even with the vmu ports, considering third party manufacturers managed it just fine
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Jan 15, 2018 00:57
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the 360's controller standards were all over the place they had wired-only controllers (cable non-removable or replaceable), and wireless-only controllers. you could get a proprietary cable which would allow the controller to recharge if you had a battery pack for it, but it didn't do any data transfer at all, all communication still happened wirelessly (so it won't work on a pc without their proprietary wireless dongle, or if your 360's wireless pairing hardware is internally busted). and the original fatty console had no wireless for internet connectivity unless you bought a proprietary wireless adapter which was like $100, but the slim and bone-alike sku's did have wireless built-in the xb1 controllers all work either wired or wireless but the entire thing is still a clusterfuck because they've had like 4 major controller revisions to unfuck various hardware problems with it, and the controllers have firmware updates too and they can be bricked if it goes wrong the ps3 controllers just used bog-standard mini-USB and this would work over the cable itself, with the wireless being bluetooth. same with the ps4 controllers, just with microUSB instead
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Jan 15, 2018 02:38
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the dual shock 3 is a weird piece of hardware. it's bluetooth, but can only be paired via usb by using hid reports. on both bluetooth and usb it won't function until specific hid reports are sent or queried. iirc, on bluetooth you need to send hid report 0xf4 and on usb you need to request hid report 0xf2. if it's connected via usb it will still be inoperative until the user pushes the home button. until that is done the controller won't send any input reports and any reports to set the state of the leds or rumble will be reverted in a second or two. the hid descriptor is a mess too as it doesn't follow the general hid mapping spec at all and will do things like have a collection of valid axes, followed by a bunch of dead axes the report says are there but aren't actually connected to anything, followed by more working ones, etc... the dual shock 4 is much better to work with, but it still has some quirks. when connecting via bluetooth it doesn't respect the l2cap mtu size, so bluetooth stacks need to add a workaround for it. plugging it in via usb will result in you getting reports with data for the entire controller including the touchpad and gyros, but if you connect it via bluetooth it initially starts in "basic" mode where you get hid report 0x01 with the buttons and joysticks and that's it. you need to send an led/rumble state report or use some other initialization report to put it in "full" mode which provides the data for the touchpad, gyros, battery, etc..., but the problem is that once you do that it starts sending input using another report number (0x11 i think?) which the hid descriptor provides no data for, so the controller will stop working without a custom driver since the underlying hid system has no idea how to parse these reports. both the ds3 and ds4 also append an extra zero at the end of their bluetooth hid descriptors for some reason, which causes many parsers to output a warning or error out in some cases.
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Jan 15, 2018 03:50
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the gamecube controller is the best, most comfortable controller ever designed
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Jan 15, 2018 03:58
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i'm genuinely interested in the tech behind controllers and have been since i unplugged my atari controller and wondered why they needed eight pins for four directions and a button
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Jan 15, 2018 04:18
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flakeloaf posted:i'm genuinely interested in the tech behind controllers and have been since i unplugged my atari controller and wondered why they needed eight pins for four directions and a button presumably: up, down, left, right, button, vdd, gnd, either another gnd or nc
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Jan 15, 2018 04:21
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flakeloaf posted:i'm genuinely interested in the tech behind controllers and have been since i unplugged my atari controller and wondered why they needed eight pins for four directions and a button 9 pin  hobbesmaster posted:presumably: up, down, left, right, button, vdd, gnd, either another gnd or nc you forgot the paddle inputs 
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Jan 15, 2018 04:58
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Last Chance posted:the gamecube controller is the best, most comfortable controller ever designed lol no the z trigger is actively painful to use
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Jan 15, 2018 05:06
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pseudorandom name posted:lol no the z trigger is actively painful to use nope. what z trigger?
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Jan 15, 2018 05:08
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the one with the letter Z molded into it
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Last Chance posted:nope. what z trigger?
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