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Yaws posted:Do people itt want to have sex with the Star Wars droids? Is that what this is about? SuperMechagodzilla posted:Actually, yes; if the droids are not people, then all of Star Wars is populated with sex weirds who programmed every computer to say ‘massa’, scream when whipped, and periodically flee. This is flying right into the territory I wanted to cover with my thoughts on Turbo Kid which I watched on netflix last week. But probably nobody wants a seven paragraph reading on Turbo Kid and I don't really want to watch it a second time.
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Actually, yes; if the droids are not people, then all of Star Wars is populated with sex weirds who programmed every computer to say ‘massa’, scream when whipped, and periodically flee. Rey is a Star Wars fan, though. She collects still more memorabilia in TLJ; she wants to "belong" and Star Wars is, with the revelation that her parents were nobodies, literally all she has left. Her central narrative in TLJ is trying to convince two people who gave up on Star Wars after Episodes I-VI that really, no, those Star Wars were cool.
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Jan 15, 2018 00:19
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What is the Midi-chlorian count of a sentient droid?
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Jan 15, 2018 00:25
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homullus posted:Rey is a Star Wars fan, though. She collects still more memorabilia in TLJ; she wants to "belong" and Star Wars is, with the revelation that her parents were nobodies, literally all she has left. Her central narrative in TLJ is trying to convince two people who gave up on Star Wars after Episodes I-VI that really, no, those Star Wars were cool. Star Wars is a series of films. Rey is a gearhead whose a fascination with antique military hardware and piracy shifts towards collecting holy relics. She has never seen a film.
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Jan 15, 2018 00:44
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:What is the Midi-chlorian count of a sentient droid? About the same as its heart rate.
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Jan 15, 2018 00:44
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Rey spends most of TFA trying to escape from the star war before giving up.
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Jan 15, 2018 01:48
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We see that at the beginning of ANH when C3P0 and R2D2 go shuffling through the middle of a pitched firefight without even getting singed. They didn't even have to chant anything.
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Jan 15, 2018 02:08
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Hot Dog Day #82 posted:What is the Midi-chlorian count of a sentient droid? 3 for C3PO, 4 for R2D2. This is why R2 does so much more.
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Jan 15, 2018 02:15
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SuperMechagodzilla posted:Star Wars is a series of films. And Kylo Ren is definitely not a Star Wars fan who doesn't understand Star Wars.
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Jan 15, 2018 02:19
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Milky Moor posted:3 for C3PO, 4 for R2D2. This is why R2 does so much more. I'm sorry.
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Jan 15, 2018 02:40
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Cnut the Great posted:The clones aren't like any slave army that's ever existed. They're genuinely, enthusiastically patriotic and eager and willing to serve, whereas slaves have never been such.. The Ghaznavids, Mamluks, Jannissaries, Chela, Ghilman, and Sofa are all examples of exactly this and you’re bullshitting because you clearly don’t know much about historical slavery. The ideological, sociological, and structural forces that compel slave obedience also work to normalize slavery in the minds of slaves. Many of the aforementioned groups eventually either became the most powerful political force in their polities, conquered them outright, or left to conquer other regions...and in no case did they abolish slavery, as an example. Many slaves themselves owned slaves while enslaved
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Jan 15, 2018 03:14
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Bongo Bill posted:Yaws, what, in your own words, does it mean for a movie to be about something? If droid sentience is the end all be all point of Star Wars than I want some god drat resolution for them. Imagine how much better these sequels would be if Luke led the droids to their freedom. It'd be a lot better than this regurgitated boring pap we've got so far.
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Jan 15, 2018 03:36
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The droids will never be free. Nobody in the star wars universe cares.
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Jan 15, 2018 04:08
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Yaws posted:If droid sentience is the end all be all point of Star Wars than I want some god drat resolution for them. Imagine how much better these sequels would be if Luke led the droids to their freedom. It'd be a lot better than this regurgitated boring pap we've got so far. Please answer the question.
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Jan 15, 2018 04:36
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Bongo Bill posted:Please answer the question. You want an answer? Star Wars isn't about droids. There. It is done.
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Jan 15, 2018 04:44
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Yaws posted:You want an answer? Star Wars isn't about droids. Please read the question closely and then answer it.
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Jan 15, 2018 04:48
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Objection, leading the witness
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Jan 15, 2018 04:54
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Al Borland Corp. posted:Objection, leading the witness It's on cross so it's allowed. Also he's not leading.
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Jan 15, 2018 05:02
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Bongo Bill posted:Please read the question closely and then answer it. How about a clear and concise resolution? If you accept that droids are sentient and slaves or whatever you also accept that Star Wars is an inherently unjust nihilistic universe. Again, Star Wars is not that cynical.
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Jan 15, 2018 05:03
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Yaws posted:How about a clear and concise resolution? If you accept that droids are sentient and slaves or whatever you also accept that Star Wars is an inherently unjust nihilistic universe. The question didn't actually mention Star Wars or droids at all. I'm not, in fact, making an attempt to argue that Star Wars is about droid slavery. Rather, I am trying to understand the way you think about movies. What does it mean for a movie to be about something?
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Jan 15, 2018 05:04
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Yaws posted:You want an answer? Star Wars isn't about droids. I think what people run into is that Lucas (he's mentioned this in a couple of interviews) is that he says he likes everything he does to involve something about how we related to and deal with technology and how it effects our lives. Even down to stuff like how Obi-Wan warns Luke about how Vader's beyond hope because he's now more machine than man - when he cuts off Vader's hand he doesn't look at his own like "oh poo poo I got angry and could fall to the dark side," he's not finding a difference, but a something in common with him and his father - so the series isn't directly ABOUT droids but there's enough interplay between man and machine in general that it's hard to ignore and not imagine more stuff about them. Yaws posted:If droid sentience is the end all be all point of Star Wars than I want some god drat resolution for them. Imagine how much better these sequels would be if Luke led the droids to their freedom. It'd be a lot better than this regurgitated boring pap we've got so far. It would be awesome but we'll never an episode IX where like ten minutes it cuts to Luke's force ghost appearing before a droid and helping that droid become free and to free other droids and that's just the entire rest of the movie.
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Jan 15, 2018 05:06
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Maybe obiwan was lying about Vaders inhumanity. You really can't take what Obi wan says at face value. Especially since Vader turned out to be ok.
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Jan 15, 2018 05:07
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Jan 15, 2018 05:18
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Bongo Bill posted:The question didn't actually mention Star Wars or droids at all. I'm not, in fact, making an attempt to argue that Star Wars is about droid slavery. Rather, I am trying to understand the way you think about movies. What does it mean for a movie to be about something? Deep down, I think you want to prove how dumb you think Yaws is. I always hate these kind of posts.
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Jan 15, 2018 06:02
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I see it more as an attempt to bridge the disconnect. There's a fundamental miscommunication somewhere, which is only going to be resolved by going back a few levels to get everyone on the same page.
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Jan 15, 2018 06:14
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CelticPredator posted:Deep down, I think you want to prove how dumb you think Yaws is. I always hate these kind of posts. Well, I mean, I wouldn't be opposed if he embarrassed himself a bit, but a productive cinema discussion would be preferable. Anyway, most of the time what people seem to mean when they say that a movie is about something is what the premise of the movie is. It isn't the work's thesis, the argument or message it's trying to construct, but rather a summary of the way it poses the question that it's setting out to answer through metaphor. So the choice of which details to emphasize reveals what the person summarizing it thinks is most important. For instance, you might say The Phantom Menace is about the invasion of Naboo by an army of droids led by a business mogul and backed by an evil wizard, and its liberation by two knights, its queen, an outcast, a droid, and a freed slave boy. That summary tells us the major players and a high-level view of the plot, but it's the details that tell us what the movie really means.
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Jan 15, 2018 06:40
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Bongo Bill posted:Well, I mean, I wouldn't be opposed if he embarrassed himself a bit, Yeah so, there you go. Anyway https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nv1KzoH4_0U
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Jan 15, 2018 06:42
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Bongo Bill posted:Well, I mean, I wouldn't be opposed if he embarrassed himself a bit, but a productive cinema discussion would be preferable. All you ever talk about is Star Wars. That's where your appreciation for cinema begins and ends. I don't recall you ever mentioning a non-Star Wars film. You're a philistine. A simp. You're in a film forum chum. Check yourself.
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Jan 15, 2018 06:47
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euphronius posted:Maybe obiwan was lying about Vaders inhumanity. That was my point. We see how two different characters evaluate Vader based on his cybernetics. I think Attack of the Clones sucks, but Obi-Wan's awkwardness throughout it is one of the things that resonates the most in the OT. Like he has that sudden aside about how droids can't think and so on. When you see what a great friend he is of Anakin (in the Clone Wars series also), you'd almost think his biggest problem with Anakin isn't the dark side but that his natural body got destroyed.
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Jan 15, 2018 06:47
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Yaws posted:All you ever talk about is Star Wars. the Star Wars thread, everybody
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Jan 15, 2018 07:06
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Yaws posted:All you ever talk about is Star Wars. That's where your appreciation for cinema begins and ends. I don't recall you ever mentioning a non-Star Wars film. You're a philistine. A simp. Dude, you don't get to coyly dance around a person's question for five posts and then claim that the other poster doesn't realize they're in a forum for discussing film.
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Jan 15, 2018 07:42
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Yaws posted:How about a clear and concise resolution? If you accept that droids are sentient and slaves or whatever you also accept that Star Wars is an inherently unjust nihilistic universe. Star Wars is absolutely set in an inherently unjust nihilistic universe.
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Jan 15, 2018 07:58
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Like, they say it outright: "it seems we were made to suffer. It's our lot in life."
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Jan 15, 2018 08:08
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WENTZ WAGON NUI posted:Like, they say it outright: "it seems we were made to suffer!" Yes but I laugh! I laugh at their pain!
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Jan 15, 2018 08:08
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CelticPredator posted:Yes but I laugh! I laugh at their pain! Exactly, the point of that line is we're supposed to be laughing at what a drama queen Threepio is being. Threepio is a robot-butler who just wants to perform his function but Artoo keeps getting him involved in Space Adventures, that's the joke.
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Are you infuriated by the FEMINIST MISANDRY of Star Wars? Do you want to watch a 46 minute "de-feminized" cut of The Last Jedi? Well, thanks to the Internet's whiniest snowflakes (MRAs), now you can! Good grief.
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In order for a fictional universe not to be inherently unjust and nihilistic, slavery must be good.
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Yaws posted:He created life for enslavement. He didn't fall because he was a rotten person from the get go, I guess. Anakin's entire deal in the prequels is based on his tendency to replicate the conditions he's in. In a society that allows slavery, he builds himself a slave. In an order whose function is to enforce the will of the Senate, he enforces the will of the Senate. It just so happens that Palpatine is the Senate. E: honestly, it reminds me of one of my favorite offhand turns of phrase from Mervyn Peake's Gormenghast series, where Steerpike is described as having the ability to understand a situation without appreciating it. Anakin understands and adapts to situations he's put in: slavery, podracing, space dogfighting, being a servant of the Republic, but does not appreciate the moral cost of what Palpatine offers, just understands that it can help him. I Before E fucked around with this message at 11:22 on Jan 15, 2018 |
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Wheat Loaf posted:Are you infuriated by the FEMINIST MISANDRY of Star Wars? Internet MRA posted:“Cut out most shots showing female fighters/pilots and female officers commanding people around/having ideas.“ The lack of self-awareness necessary to write this sentence is drat near impossible to believe. I'd lay money on it being someone's idea of a joke.
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