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HypnoCabbage posted:According to USA Today, you're both going to be disappointed; Arnett is playing Slade. Oh my god that's the most insane fan theory homage I could imagine.
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I've been watching Tiny Toon Adventures on Hulu Elmyra was the worst cartoon character ever made before they used her to ruin Pinky & the Brain
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TFRazorsaw posted:I've been watching Tiny Toon Adventures on Hulu The thing is her concept isn't a bad one, the issue comes down to three things; 1) her godawful voice, 2) how infantile they wrote her(she's supposed to be the same age as most of the rest of the cast but they wrote her like a kindergartener), and 3) despite almost always being in an antagonist role she rarely ever got any comeuppance for her actions
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They should have treated her like Darla Dimple in Cats Don't Dance, honestly.
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drrockso20 posted:The thing is her concept isn't a bad one, the issue comes down to three things; 1) her godawful voice,
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I never put together the fact that Elmyra was supposed to be Little Elmer Fudd until someone pointed it out to me last year.
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Funky Valentine posted:I never put together the fact that Elmyra was supposed to be Little Elmer Fudd until someone pointed it out to me last year. How can you miss that? Like everyone has an analogue-- Montana Max/Yosemete Sam being the biggest difference. It's kind of funny how The Looney Tunes Show then wrapped around and borrowed some of the characterization for their show, too.
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I liked the gag on Cow and Chicken where Weasel was filming something and he complained that the script just had his name scribbled over the word Buster, which in turn was scribbled over the word Bugs. I do seem to recall that as a kid I immediately noticed that one episode I saw was straight up a character-swapped Looney Tunes episode.
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I'm reminded of how Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog was basically just Sonic as Bugs Bunny. (with a touch of Road Runner) Still probably a better characterisation direction than they ended up with.
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Miraculous creator Thomas Astruc is getting annoyed with people who think he's not working hard enough on finishing new episodes.  https://twitter.com/thomas_astruc/status/951573606206668806
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Waffleman_ posted:https://twitter.com/cartoonnetwork/status/951143528876466176 Ugh. One of the most annoying things about TTG is that the series is clearly capable of much more sophisticated humor, but it always falls back on low brow schlock like fart jokes.
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Mr Interweb posted:Ugh. One of the most annoying things about TTG is that the series is clearly capable of much more sophisticated humor, but it always falls back on low brow schlock like fart jokes. Fart Jokes are easy to both write and animate and are popular with kids, there's a reason they very quickly became a stock joke once it became culturally acceptable to use them
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God, those Dan Hipp backgrounds are gorgeous. The only downside to seeing it in theaters will be not being able to pause to appreciate every single background joke.
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Not quite a show but did anyone ever see the 70s Chuck Jones movie The Phantom Tollbooth? I thought it was overall good although Milo's singing voice was atrocious. I particularly enjoyed the Doldrums, and the war between King Azaz and the Mathematician. The Terrible Tedium was an interesting monster as well, he ensnares you with addictively mindless tasks that are hard to break away from once begun, like moving a pile of sand one grain at a time from one spot to another with a pair of tweezers. He's almost a human skinner box, there's just no reward.
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FilthyImp posted:How can you miss that? Like everyone has an analogue-- Montana Max/Yosemete Sam being the biggest difference. I actually somehow never caught onto that either, mostly because her character doesn't resemble Elmer at all and is more like a terrible version of Hugo the abominable snowman.
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It's supposed to be an opposite thing. Elmer Fudd is a hunter who never really succeeds at harming animals, and Elmyra loves animals to the point of nearly killing them. Also Fudd and Duff are backwardsish.
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Her last name is Duff? Never knew that either.
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raditts posted:I actually somehow never caught onto that either, mostly because her character doesn't resemble Elmer at all and is more like a terrible version of Hugo the abominable snowman. When I was a kid I was sure she was bald, because that little mouse skull in the middle of her bow would be a perfect pull-point for a wig.
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CN, I appreciate the break from TTG with this Gumball marathon, but why does it have to be almost exclusively season 1 episodes?
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Speaking of Tiny Toons, that show had some of the biggest discrepancies in animation between episodes. You'd have episodes like the one where Buster and crew go to Wackyland for the first time, and the Summer Vacation mini-series which had excellent animation (probably some of the best the 90s had to offer for a T.V. show). But then you had ones that were total crap like the episode with the Wolverine and the one about the cartoonist creating Buster and Babs. These episodes had that weird style where everyone was made of jello and kept making these bizarre, needless bouncy movements even when the characters on-screen were just simply talking. And what's even crazier to me is the guy who was responsible for that animation style got tons of work on other animated series (most notable probably being a Pup Named Scooby Doo). Was there like a drat animator shortage or something back then?
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A ton of shows from that era got bounced around between animation companies basically at random.
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Mr Interweb posted:Speaking of Tiny Toons, that show had some of the biggest discrepancies in animation between episodes. You'd have episodes like the one where Buster and crew go to Wackyland for the first time, and the Summer Vacation mini-series which had excellent animation (probably some of the best the 90s had to offer for a T.V. show). But then you had ones that were total crap like the episode with the Wolverine and the one about the cartoonist creating Buster and Babs. These episodes had that weird style where everyone was made of jello and kept making these bizarre, needless bouncy movements even when the characters on-screen were just simply talking. And what's even crazier to me is the guy who was responsible for that animation style got tons of work on other animated series (most notable probably being a Pup Named Scooby Doo). Was there like a drat animator shortage or something back then? That's because Tiny Toons had like 8 different animation studios involved with it
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Yeah, I know there's different studios working on different episodes, but that would explain why they looked different, not why they looked bad, and WB was fine with it.
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When I look back at Tiny Toons lately, a lot of the visual style weirds me out. In addition to the way in which the 90s were the peak of cartoon surrealism, all the characters are based on exaggerations of the stylistic changes that had been happening to the Looney Tunes over the last few decades as the characters got more abstract and lost much of their resemblance to both humans and animals. They all have this incredibly wide cheek-orb and very harshly slanting heads that make their foreheads nearly nonexistent. There's a bunch of abstracted homages to the styles of people who were no longer associated with the company, like how all the characters have some iteration of Chuck Jones's --u-- mouth Combine that with the further levels of abstraction by animation studios or storyboard artists, and everything gets very weird.
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Mr Interweb posted:Yeah, I know there's different studios working on different episodes, but that would explain why they looked different, not why they looked bad, and WB was fine with it. Some animation studios are bad.
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SlothfulCobra posted:When I look back at Tiny Toons lately, a lot of the visual style weirds me out. In addition to the way in which the 90s were the peak of cartoon surrealism, all the characters are based on exaggerations of the stylistic changes that had been happening to the Looney Tunes over the last few decades as the characters got more abstract and lost much of their resemblance to both humans and animals. They all have this incredibly wide cheek-orb and very harshly slanting heads that make their foreheads nearly nonexistent. There's a bunch of abstracted homages to the styles of people who were no longer associated with the company, like how all the characters have some iteration of Chuck Jones's --u-- mouth I do remember occasionally wondering why all the characters had such wide cheeks, because it was their most caricatured feature and there was a "long ears, big feet, orb-like cheeks, only one of these doesn't belong on a rabbit" line of thought that was kind of confusing
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For what it's worth, I think the Squishy Bouncy Jello style worked in favor of aPNS-D.Mr Interweb posted:Yeah, I know there's different studios working on different episodes, but that would explain why they looked different, not why they looked bad, and WB was fine with it. Like, what's WB supposed to do? Have the better animation company redo the lovely episode?
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Mr Interweb posted:Yeah, I know there's different studios working on different episodes, but that would explain why they looked different, not why they looked bad, and WB was fine with it. You don't understand why different animation studios would turn out different quality animation?  WB was fine with it because it was a show that came on every weekday, and they were probably concerned more with quantity than quality.
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Electric Phantasm posted:Some animation studios are bad. It baffles me to this day how long Klasky-Csupo managed to stay in business.
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Well Rugrats was inexplicably popular and made the studio popular for a while, the style worked for Duckman and Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, and Wild Thornberries was pretty decently written.
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In hindsight, the early Simpsons episodes done by Klasky-Csupo now look as weird and grotesque as the couch gag animated by John Kricfalusi.
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Payndz posted:In hindsight, the early Simpsons episodes done by Klasky-Csupo now look as weird and grotesque as the couch gag animated by John Kricfalusi. And if you think the first two seasons were bad, just look at the shorts: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WOG1d-wyQAQ It is frankly incredible that the show took off like it did.
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The Ayshkerbundy posted:Well Rugrats was inexplicably popular and made the studio popular for a while, the style worked for Duckman and Aaahh!!! Real Monsters, and Wild Thornberries was pretty decently written. I mean in terms of K-C being some of the ugliest professional animation I've seen in my life.
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raditts posted:It baffles me to this day how long Klasky-Csupo managed to stay in business. They more or less pioneered the production pipeline that every animated sitcom would use from then on. Like when The Simpsons started the writers had no idea how animation worked and would do things like have the animators make extra footage so they could edit it down later or make changes to scenes after they had been animated until Csupo finally sat them down and was like "this poo poo isn't working, here's what you're doing wrong and what you need to do". The 90s really was just the wild west in terms of making animated shows that weren't phoned in garbage to sell toys and it's a wonder any of it is still watchable these days, much less actually good.
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Tiny Toon Adventures suffers from being a series. It doesn't have the beautiful animation of the LT shorts and on rewatch you can really, really see where the shortcuts were taken to lean out the budget.
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It's easy to see the seams on a lot of shows looking back, since animation is expensive. They all have their own shortcuts, cheats and other budget-saving methods. It's also noticeable how formulaic everything was back then; 22 minutes, episodic and wrapped up neatly, compared to the relative flexibility that a lot of currently running shows have. K-C I feel kinda fit the grungy caricature theme that was popular in the 90s with ugly, characterful designs and movements, it certainly made for a distinctive look. Not everyone needs to be smooth and pretty. Ed, Edd 'n' Eddy had a similar caricatured, 'ugly' design for everyone and it's still fondly remembered.
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Acebuckeye13 posted:And if you think the first two seasons were bad, just look at the shorts: It almost didn't take off, because the animation for "Some Enchanted Evening" came back so bad, they almost canceled it all. But they were able to push it back and get the Christmas episode ready to go, and the rest is history. They really did mangle that episode though. You can find the work print on YouTube, with commentary. It's bad.
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