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blugu64 posted:If we're counting the model s as a sedan, then then Ioniq should count. Sedans aren't a growth market segment unfortunately. Oh neat, I hadn't heard of the Ioniq. Could be worth researching. Subjunctive posted:The S and 3 are hatchbacks, I think. Hm, you might be right. I guess I'm mostly thinking in terms of cargo capacity, visibility, and especially overall size. I've been in an S and it's a gigantic car, while I'm used to thinking of hatchbacks as being compact and even cramped.
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There's also the Clarity EV by Honda. Not a civic but getting closer.TooMuchAbstraction posted:Hm, you might be right. I guess I'm mostly thinking in terms of cargo capacity, visibility, and especially overall size. I've been in an S and it's a gigantic car, while I'm used to thinking of hatchbacks as being compact and even cramped.
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Hatchbacks are cool. The preference for sedans is a decadent affectation.
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Rescue Toaster posted:Thanks! I would absolutely consider an electric smart/city car. I honestly didn't know the spark ev was a thing. And I have to assume like all other EVs, they're totally unavailable new in the midwest. Also snow & winters seems like it could be tough, but I don't ever have to go on the interstate with it. (Though the ability to go on the interstate across town in an i3 or leaf or soul ev would be nice). What “Midwest” state are you in? If you build a car on Kia’s website you can then search for local inventory to see if it’s available in your area. I just checked out a Kansas City zip and there were a bunch within 50 miles of it.
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kill me now posted:What “Midwest” state are you in? If you build a car on Kia’s website you can then search for local inventory to see if it’s available in your area. I just checked out a Kansas City zip and there were a bunch within 50 miles of it. I'm in Iowa. When I put in a Soul EV in with my zip or a Kansas Cuity zip, it says 'found 7-8 cars within 50 miles' but the dealerships are actually in Rochester, NY and the like. And the estimated lease payments are $750/mo so something's definitely not working out there too.
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FilthyImp posted:Even the i3 is counted as a hatchback, and that's more like a weird SUV Van thing. I own one and I'm not quite sure what the gently caress it is. People don't seem to get how big it is, it seems in people's mind it is more like a Fiat 500 or Mini Cooper when in reality it is closer to a weirdly shaped SUV crossover. My dad took me to pick it up and checked it out while I was finishing the paperwork and while he is normally full of judgement and can't help himself from making a critical comment he actually apologized for thinking I was buying something like a Smart Car without seeing one.
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I'd bet you could get an ev to the Midwest through CarMax.
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RZA Encryption posted:I'd bet you could get an ev to the Midwest through CarMax. Shouldn't you be able to send an EV through CarFax? 
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The Pi dude posted:Shouldn't you be able to send an EV through CarFax? You'll have to pay CarTax.
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http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14102 Battery replacement thread if you want to scam a $4,000 leaf this is the way to do it.
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Elephanthead posted:http://www.mynissanleaf.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=14102 A poster on that forum posted:
I'm no expert on batteries by any means, but I thought you should fully charge them occasionally? Is *only* ever charging to 80% ideal?
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Haha I don't know, but mine is plugged in 90% of the time.
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angryrobots posted:I'm no expert on batteries by any means, but I thought you should fully charge them occasionally? Is *only* ever charging to 80% ideal? I thought the battery overhead was already factored in so you didn't have to worry about charging or using 100% because the car won't let you do either in the first place.
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Three Olives posted:I thought the battery overhead was already factored in so you didn't have to worry about charging or using 100% because the car won't let you do either in the first place. For some vehicles like the Volt. With the leaf it mostly seems like they strapped a battery to a car and called it good.
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ClassH posted:For some vehicles like the Volt. With the leaf it mostly seems like they strapped a battery to a car and called it good. This is one of those 'gotchas' with the leaf. The only time you'll ever achieve more than an 80% charge in a Volt is if you leave a charging station at the top of a mountain and regen your way down. Or go into forced fuel burn mode. And theoretically it won't let you drop below 20% Edit: you'll never see your true charge on the display - it will show 100% at a true 80%. Likewise 0% is really 20%.
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Goober Peas posted:This is one of those 'gotchas' with the leaf. The only time you'll ever achieve more than an 80% charge in a Volt is if you leave a charging station at the top of a mountain and regen your way down. Or go into forced fuel burn mode. And theoretically it won't let you drop below 20% Interesting but I guess I understand why they did that. A lot of people would get OCD about it otherwise.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Interesting but I guess I understand why they did that. A lot of people would get OCD about it otherwise. I mean, it's not like they're blatantly lying. It's 100% of usable capacity, and 0% of usable capacity. The fact that you could theoretically still draw more power out of the battery pack or put more into it - while reducing the lifespan of the battery pack - isn't relevant. All of the advertising, calculated mileage, etc are all based on those defined charge levels.
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SeANMcBAY posted:Interesting but I guess I understand why they did that. A lot of people would get OCD about it otherwise. My understanding is at least with Tesla and BMW the usable range is significantly below the capacity to keep you from damaging the batteries by draining them completely or overcharging them and then they also do wear leveling to the cells and when the battery actually starts to lose capacity it is invisible to the user instead of slowly seeing their range wither.
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For those Volt owners out there, if you have a ELM327 compatible bluetooth OBD2 dongle, you can use this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MyGreenVolt&hl=en to see some additional stuff about the battery. Like the real SOC% for example. The Volt by design has to keep a reserve, since it operates like a hybrid once the battery "runs out". But it also helps battery life obviously. Also fun fact... If you run out of gas in a Volt, it will let you dip a little further into the battery, allowing you ~1kWh more, but at reduced power before finally shutting down. So you can make it another 1.5 to 2 miles.
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stevewm posted:For those Volt owners out there, if you have a ELM327 compatible bluetooth OBD2 dongle, you can use this app: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.MyGreenVolt&hl=en to see some additional stuff about the battery. Like the real SOC% for example. The i3 has a hidden service menu for this on the dash that will give you an estimate of usable capacity but it includes the cap so it will only tell you if your battery has started to degrade.
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Three Olives posted:The i3 has a hidden service menu for this on the dash that will give you an estimate of usable capacity but it includes the cap so it will only tell you if your battery has started to degrade. I've always figured the Volt likely has this too. But no one has managed to find it yet.
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Rescue Toaster posted:I'm in Iowa. When I put in a Soul EV in with my zip or a Kansas Cuity zip, it says 'found 7-8 cars within 50 miles' but the dealerships are actually in Rochester, NY and the like. And the estimated lease payments are $750/mo so something's definitely not working out there too. Yeah looks like you SOL on the Soul EV. I just looked up the availability through our dealer portal and they are only available in the following states CA, HI, MD, NY, NJ, OR, WA, CT, MA, VT. I could set you up with one and ship it out to you. PM me if you're interested
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Goober Peas posted:They just don't want to have to retrieve you when you run out of juice in the middle of a field Its like they took a look at the 2016 electoral map and said, "yeah that's about right"
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kill me now posted:Yeah looks like you SOL on the Soul EV. I just looked up the availability through our dealer portal and they are only available in the following states CA, HI, MD, NY, NJ, OR, WA, CT, MA, VT. I took my i3 to a BMW i certified service center in one of the largest metro areas of the US and was told it might take a couple of days to do a software upgrade for a recall and fix a known issue with the climate control because "there are only a couple of guys here that can work on the i cars" so buying a Kia electric car outside of the market areas might not be the wisest thing in the world.
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kill me now posted:Yeah looks like you SOL on the Soul EV. I just looked up the availability through our dealer portal and they are only available in the following states CA, HI, MD, NY, NJ, OR, WA, CT, MA, VT. Almost like it was built to comply with state mandated ZEV quotas...
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http://www.thedrive.com/sheetmetal/14475/porsche-will-bring-ultra-fast-charging-stations-to-the-u-s-report-says It seems Porsche is planning on bringing 350kW CCS chargers to the US for its upcoming Mission E. Hopefully this will lead to someone installing enough of them that Tesla won't be the only option for road-trip-capable EVs.
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Goober Peas posted:This is one of those 'gotchas' with the leaf. The only time you'll ever achieve more than an 80% charge in a Volt is if you leave a charging station at the top of a mountain and regen your way down. Or go into forced fuel burn mode. And theoretically it won't let you drop below 20% You can't program the Leaf to do that? I can tell my laptop to only charge to 80%.
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You can absolutely tell the leaf to do that automatically. It's how I have mine set up most of the time. When I plan a longer trip occasionally, I'll set it to charge to 100%. I still have the full 100%, 12 bars available after over two years of ownership. My commute looks very much like that LA poster's. The only difference is I live in Norway. The Leaf's batteries are notoriously heat sensitive due to no active cooling. They handle the cold okay, and have active heating to prevent damage to the pack from excessively low temperatures.
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Let's come at this from another angle. One of the big things I want to be able to do with my vehicles is transport lumber, without having to deal with a rack. Generally this means upwards of a half-dozen 8'-long boards in various thicknesses and widths. I can do this in my Civic with a little maneuvering (I have to open the front passenger-side door and the left rear door, and lower the front passenger seat). What electric cars would be able to replicate this feat? A little googling turns up people asking similar questions, but not much in the way of answers.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Let's come at this from another angle. One of the big things I want to be able to do with my vehicles is transport lumber, without having to deal with a rack. Generally this means upwards of a half-dozen 8'-long boards in various thicknesses and widths. I can do this in my Civic with a little maneuvering (I have to open the front passenger-side door and the left rear door, and lower the front passenger seat). What electric cars would be able to replicate this feat? Boy howdy do i have a solution for you.  
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Believe it or not, I'm not particularly interested in driving a lunchbox. But the Bollinger certainly is a...unique vehicle.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Let's come at this from another angle. One of the big things I want to be able to do with my vehicles is transport lumber, without having to deal with a rack. Generally this means upwards of a half-dozen 8'-long boards in various thicknesses and widths. I can do this in my Civic with a little maneuvering (I have to open the front passenger-side door and the left rear door, and lower the front passenger seat). What electric cars would be able to replicate this feat? Like how often do you have to do this because you can rent a pickup from Home Depot for like $20. You are going to be making sacrifices with an electric car, no question but there are other factors that go in like reduced maintenance and fuel costs.
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Three Olives posted:Like how often do you have to do this because you can rent a pickup from Home Depot for like $20. You are going to be making sacrifices with an electric car, no question but there are other factors that go in like reduced maintenance and fuel costs. I do woodworking as a hobby (so, miscellaneous hardwood boards and the occasional sheet of veneered plywood), and I need 2x4s for home improvement and woodshop furniture I'd guess every couple of months or so? I don't really want to deal with renting the Home Depot truck every time I want to go to the lumberyard. It'd be more economical to get a tiny electric econobox and rent the truck as needed, sure, but if I can find a larger vehicle that saves me from that need, that'd be nice. It also bears mentioning that I'm 6'5", and find a lot of the smaller cars to be kind of cramped.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:I do woodworking as a hobby (so, miscellaneous hardwood boards and the occasional sheet of veneered plywood), and I need 2x4s for home improvement and woodshop furniture I'd guess every couple of months or so? I don't really want to deal with renting the Home Depot truck every time I want to go to the lumberyard. It'd be more economical to get a tiny electric econobox and rent the truck as needed, sure, but if I can find a larger vehicle that saves me from that need, that'd be nice. It also bears mentioning that I'm 6'5", and find a lot of the smaller cars to be kind of cramped. It doesn't fit "tiny electric econobox" but you will have more than enough room in an i3. Actually mine is in the shop and I currently suffering the terrible injustice of driving a 2018 230i convertible loaner with 500 miles on it. My partner asked me if I was having fun and the honest answer is the i3 is tons more comfortable to drive and I can't wait to have it back. They said my i3 might be ready tomorrow but they haven't moved it since I dropped it off so I may ask if I can come by tomorrow and swap for an X3 or something.
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TooMuchAbstraction posted:Let's come at this from another angle. One of the big things I want to be able to do with my vehicles is transport lumber, without having to deal with a rack.
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FilthyImp posted:Probably something like the Rav4 Hybrid? Or maybe a Volt if the seats fold down enough. I'm hoping to stick to plug-in hybrids or full electrics if possible (don't want to be burning gas for every short trip I make), so that does in the Rav4. Looks like you can fit 8' boards in a Volt, though, so there's that! Sounds like that guy used the same strategy I use in my Civic: lower the front seat down as far as possible, then run the boards from the front passenger footwell up to the top of the rear seats. The i3 does also look interesting, though it is of course considerably more expensive. Still worth checking out though. I'm imagining the sales team's faces when I show up to test drives with a dirty 2x4 in tow, asking to be allowed to shove that thing into the main cabin. 
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