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People confuse Lucas' "It's just Good and Evil" with him saying that the stuffy idiot Jedi in the prequels are Good and therefore all attachment and love and feelings are Evil. But Luke is the only Good Jedi in the series, and only because he embraces attachment and love and feelings, without letting them twist him into a hateful, broken thing (the dark side). The original films that people claim to love made this very clear.
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Owning toys/action figures after you're, say, 18 is dumb. Like, if I could've bought a credit-card-looking thing that gave me the same result as the Bowser amiibo I bought, I would've done that instead.
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Jan 19, 2018 20:59
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MisterBibs posted:Owning toys/action figures after you're, say, 18 is dumb. Since this is a bibs-post i am hesitant to agree with it, but he's right this time unless the toys are from when you were actually a child.
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Jan 19, 2018 21:02
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yeah I eat rear end posted:Star wars opinion: if you ignore the unnecessarily evil parts of the dark side portrayed in the movie, it's a lot better and more relateable than being a jedi. Being willing to do anything to save a friend/loved one is a good thing, not an evil thing. If the jedi had just let anakin save natalie portman he could be the dark side friend of the jedi and the old movies never would have happened. in all fairness dudes like kenobi, paragons of the jedi way, saved a lot of people throughout their careers, and many of those people were indeed also their friends who they helped at great personal sacrifice, on top of doing heaps of other sorts of good for the galaxy - the jedi way is more about detaching yourself from want so you can let grounded principles guide your decisions instead of possibly fickle human desires - one moment anakin's willing to do anything for padme (which is also often framed as choosing between giving up the greater good and maybe endangering other people to help her... or just sticking to the boring code) and then the next moment he's mad enough to hurt her; ultimately it was palpatine's strategy of finding things to put between anakin's personal hubris/goals/desires/etc and the jedi order that was his way of manipulating him into necessarily changing sides so anakin could think he could get those things nonetheless, sure i can still agree with the first part; after excluding all the heinously evil stuff it's a lot more relatable for the average person to want to use their natural talents for their own ends/own friends instead of towards some kind abstract good or to help strangers, things that might feel pretty distant to whatever they're feeling right now, whenever those come to conflict - which isn't necessarily always
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Jan 19, 2018 21:12
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My point was that anakin should have killed palpatine and become the benevolent dictator after he realized all the poo poo he sold him about saving padme was just that - poo poo. Palpatine should have never survived much longer after that terrible "noooo" scene"
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Jan 19, 2018 21:26
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sassassin posted:People confuse Lucas' "It's just Good and Evil" with him saying that the stuffy idiot Jedi in the prequels are Good and therefore all attachment and love and feelings are Evil. That's not what I meant, I just think it's limiting and dumb that he just considers the Dark side straight up evil and unnatural. But it's not up to him anymore so whatever.
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Jan 19, 2018 21:31
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yeah I eat rear end posted:My point was that anakin should have killed palpatine and become the benevolent dictator after he realized all the poo poo he sold him about saving padme was just that - poo poo. Palpatine should have never survived much longer after that terrible "noooo" scene" He never gets the chance to realise that because they don't bother looking for a way to save Padme. She was already dead. Anakin doesn't give a poo poo about stopping people from dying after he gets put in the suit (which is stopping him from dying).
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Jan 19, 2018 21:31
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Aphrodite posted:That's not what I meant, I just think it's limiting and dumb that he just considers the Dark side straight up evil and unnatural. Evil and unnatural is the Dark Side, in Lucas' definition. It's not limiting at all (unless you want the fashion/aesthetics without the moral baggage). Don't do anything Evil and you're fine (watch out though because power corrupts and all that).
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Jan 19, 2018 21:34
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yeah I eat rear end posted:My point was that anakin should have killed palpatine and become the benevolent dictator after he realized all the poo poo he sold him about saving padme was just that - poo poo. Palpatine should have never survived much longer after that terrible "noooo" scene" your point is sound since you've arguably stumbled upon vader's motivation in esb since taking down palpatine is apparently hard and might require the teamwork of two bad-enough dudes, altho it's debatable if vader could ever have been a benevolent dictator without a lot of outside help to mellow out since he transitioned to the genocidal, murdering even loyal subordinates phase of his career pretty neatly without fuss
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Jan 19, 2018 21:43
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the prequels are good
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Jan 19, 2018 21:56
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I think the originals, prequels, sequels and one spin-off so far are all approximately equal inasmuch as I enjoy watching all of them.
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Jan 19, 2018 22:02
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Anakin could have easily overthrown palpatine as long as he realized he wasn't in a movie and didn't need to make it a duel. Just come up behind him and say "oh what's that you're reading, that looks interesting" and turn your light saber on while it's pointed at his heart.
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Jan 19, 2018 22:05
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fridge corn posted:the prequels are good MODS?! PHUO: Star Wars is not worth the hundreds of thousands of words written and said about in critiques and poo poo. They’re entertaining space fantasy.
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Jan 19, 2018 22:08
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Higgy posted:MODS?! Why doesn't entertaining space fantasy deserve criticism and discussion?
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Jan 19, 2018 22:12
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I'm a big foodie but I like fake maple syrup more than the real thing tbqh.
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Jan 19, 2018 22:17
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sassassin posted:Why doesn't entertaining space fantasy deserve criticism and discussion? I’m not ready to get into a debate about it, because that would defeat the purpose of my post.
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Jan 19, 2018 22:31
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Higgy posted:MODS?! prob true but most people probably aren't thinking about its worth to society or anything grand, they're just giving their 2 cents on something everyone else is talking about at the water cooler personally i haven't cared about star was for like 15 years but a lot of the threads i read have been real stuck on it lately and it's infectious
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Jan 19, 2018 22:43
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Star wars is trash
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Jan 19, 2018 22:50
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MisterBibs posted:Owning toys/action figures after you're, say, 18 is dumb. Just buy an nfc emulator and never worry about it again
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Jan 19, 2018 23:47
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I wish more people were willing to call trash things trash. Obviously not an unpopular opinion here on this dead gay forum, but most of the people I know will still just shrug and go 'eh it was alright' no matter how garbage a <literally anything> is. I don't care if it's books, tv, video games, movies, news, family members. It's okay to admit that things can be bad and what makes them bad. Don't give the transformer movies a pass just because they could be worse, thats what leads to them making more of them!
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Jan 20, 2018 02:11
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MisterBibs posted:Owning toys/action figures after you're, say, 18 is dumb. But I earned this watch, and it helps me keep track of so many things.
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Jan 20, 2018 02:12
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I really like the Wheel of Time series. 
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Jan 20, 2018 02:19
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Randaconda posted:I really like the Wheel of Time series.  It is a fun enough way to kill a weekend, though
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The Star Wars Prequels are better than the new Disney films. Sequels are just very boring. They dont do anything interesting. Force Awakens was a boring cowardly rehash of A New Hope. Last Jedi keeps teasing interesting developments but then pulls it back. Also there havent been ANY monsters or weird planets in these movies. Prequels gave us all kinds of weird Flash Gordon-y poo poo. Everything in the sequels is just so visually boring and uninspired. It's a shame. Ah well. Hopefully in future movies they remember to tell an exciting space adventure story with monsters and robots. Anyway, Robocop is better than The Terminator or T2: Judgment Day. I actually dont know if this is an unpopular opinion, but i get the sense that most mainstream audiences consider Robocop to be cheezy and dumb but Terminator to be a serious franchise for some reason. I think Robocop has aged WAY better than any Terminator film, and is still relevant today. Like, i dont think we're in danger of some A.I. suddenly becoming self-aware and deciding to wipe out humanity, but i can believe in corporations building killer robots and everything becoming more privatized. Even the cybernetic stuff seems more likely than a sudden singularity, if you follow technology developments. I can see someone trying to make a real robocop in the next 20-30 years, with probably mixed results. Anyway, Robocop is just a perfect movie in my eyes.
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Blue Star posted:The Star Wars Prequels are better than the new Disney films. Sequels are just very boring. They dont do anything interesting. Force Awakens was a boring cowardly rehash of A New Hope. Last Jedi keeps teasing interesting developments but then pulls it back. Also there havent been ANY monsters or weird planets in these movies. Prequels gave us all kinds of weird Flash Gordon-y poo poo. Everything in the sequels is just so visually boring and uninspired. It's a shame. Ah well. Hopefully in future movies they remember to tell an exciting space adventure story with monsters and robots. I love both of them, but I think T2, at least has stood up very well, since I rewatched it recently. Even the special effects haven't aged that badly Robocop has better one liners, though. "Bitches, leave."
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Jan 20, 2018 02:56
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Polyseme posted:
You can read it in one weekend?
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Randaconda posted:I really like the Wheel of Time series.  They are full of real problems but if you can ignore the fact that it badly needs to be shortened by like 60%, it's actually a fun read. A good series for when you just have way too much drat time to read. Like a 120 hour train ride, or a summer working as a security guard. Also skip every dream sequence. Like just straight don't read them, you'll lose nothing. Agent355 has a new favorite as of 03:05 on Jan 20, 2018 |
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Jan 20, 2018 03:01
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I feel like saying RoboCop is better than T2 is a relaitvely common opinion nowdays. I absolutely agree, though I do love T2.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:04
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Everything else that person said was wrong but Robocop is absolutely better than Terminator.
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Jan 20, 2018 03:28
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iirc that old nerd debate was more between the original franchises in general, so the old trilogies rc1, rc2, rc3 vs t1, t2, t3 picking rc in that case would probably be a little more unpopular
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Jan 20, 2018 03:44
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Agent355 posted:
It depends, Perrin's are nice, and the one at the very end with Rand and Lanfear is nice. Edit: I also really, really like the world building, and also the fact that at the time it began, fantasy was almost lily white, and Jordan made and effort to have non-white people in important positions, both on the good and evil sides.
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I never had an issue with the so-called ludonarrative dissonance some folks had about Grand Theft Auto 4, complaining about how one minute Niko would be killing/blowing up poo poo by the thousands and then bemoaning it in a cutscene. First off, the game makes it clear (hell, Niko flat-out talks about it a few times) that Niko is a fundamentally broken person whose history has turned violence into not only his go-to solution to everything, but a fundamental instinct. The worst part about it is that he knows it, but knowing the reasons behind this sort of trauma doesn't alleviate it. It's kinda the tragedy of the character/story; your fun escapades are precisely the thing the character wishes he could distance himself from, but never could even if you weren't controlling him. On a more meta level (and I know this is going to make me sound like an Old playing GTA and not even speeding), you really don't have to go on 5-star murder sprees between every goddamned mission.
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Aphrodite posted:Everything else that person said was wrong but Robocop is absolutely better than Terminator. Oh? I'm wrong about the Sequel Trilogy severely lacking in good monsters and creatures? Let's count: Original Trilogy: Jawas, Bantha, Tauntaun, Wampa, pterodactyl things with the sucker-faces, Space Whale Prequel Trilogy: Gooberfish, Big Gooberfish, glow-in-the-dark gooberfish, those bloated ticks that Anakin rides on to impress Padme, that spider-crab thing with the long neck, that rhinoceros-triceratops thing, that panther thing with a bunch of eyes Sequel Trilogy: Rakthars (admittedly a decent start), those not-horse-things on the casino planet, a glimpse of a sea monster on Luke's planet, porgs, crystal foxes The porgs and crystal foxes are neato, I'll grant. But not enough proper monsters. I deliberately left out the third episodes of each trilogy, since Episode 9, the third episode of THIS trilogy, hasn't been made yet. But even so, the OT and PT still have more monsters than the ST. Whether or not this is important to you (its important to me), the ST simply lacks monsters, y'all.  Also, Prequel trilogy has it ALL OVER the Sequels when it comes to planets. Even setting Tatooine aside, we've got Naboo with its renaissance palaces and underwater bubble cities, Coruscant, the cloning facility on Kamino, Geonosis, Mustafar, Kashyyk. Just completely dominating the Sequel trilogy, where we have, uh, "salt".
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MisterBibs posted:I never had an issue with the so-called ludonarrative dissonance some folks had about Grand Theft Auto 4, complaining about how one minute Niko would be killing/blowing up poo poo by the thousands and then bemoaning it in a cutscene. And your defense would land if Niko wasn't such a dour asspot in and out of cutscenes.
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Blue Star posted:Oh? I'm wrong about the Sequel Trilogy severely lacking in good monsters and creatures? Let's count: I guess it’s unpopular to say this poo poo is gay as hell? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Jan 20, 2018 09:12
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I just want Marvel to start putting proper Jack Kirby monsters into their movies.
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Jan 20, 2018 09:16
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CowboyKid posted:I guess it’s unpopular to say this poo poo is gay as hell? Yeah, it is. Gay is good. Thanks for backing me up on this. A lot of people dont really appreciate the Prequels. 
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gently caress yeah, that rules. I honestly love poo poo like that.
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Fun fact: you can see OG Groot from Guardians of the Galaxy to the left of the big green Dragon.
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