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Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

mobby_6kl posted:

The Odyssey is like $700 on ebay, if at all available. I've been meaning to get it from before Vive Pro was announced but it seems that I'll still have to wait.

I don't know what you're talking about, a lot of people have it up for $700 as a "make me move" price, but they've been regularly selling for $400:

https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_bl...=p2045573.m1684

Here's one new for sale now for $495: https://www.ebay.com/itm/BRAND-NEW-...pIAAOSws5BaYhc2

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Songbearer
Jul 12, 2007




Fuck you say?
Good on Oculus, I sent my headset in for an RMA after the right earphone died and they sent me an entirely new unit, not a refurb like I was expecting. Turnaround was drat quick too, I sent the package out on the 11th and got the new one today, 19th.

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003

JohnnySmitch posted:


GORN has gotten so many updates since I first played it that it's like a whole new game. Awesomely fun, and at the same time very nerve-wracking in regards to trying not to destroy my house while playing.

Turn on strict chaperone, I found that kept me from hitting anything even though my chaperone/play area is literally at my walls.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

JohnnySmitch posted:


Stand Out I don't know about this one. Seems like full-on jank city; terrible graphics (not just resolution, but super sloppy models in general), janky gameplay. I didn't see anywhere to switch to Vive wand layout for the controls, so I didn't have a good grasp on how to do stuff. Quickly found and loaded a gun, fumbled around trying to get it to fire, and got shot in the face and killed while some extremely low poly player screamed "loving bitch" in my face.



So. There’s a new patch that addresses a ton of your graphics problem.

Gameplay isn’t janky? There’s some issues sure like the p90 is still annoying as gently caress to rack a bullet or whateve. But it feels “as smooth” as a lot of the FPS titles out there.

Controls, should be very similar to oculus anyways. Trackpad to move, buttons to grab and vault and armswing move, and triggers and grip for gun holding firing etc.

Sounds like more you need to join the discord and ask questions and play more. It’s an early access title that plays super good.



I also am bias af because I enjoy the poo poo out of it. But it’s not nearly as bad as your quote sounds.


They also have insanely active devs. poo poo gets patched faaaaast

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
It's still a janky Early Access title. You can enjoy it but there's no reason to pretend it's not.

Stick100
Mar 18, 2003

Lemming posted:

It's still a janky Early Access title. You can enjoy it but there's no reason to pretend it's not.

It's early access but I disagree that it's janky. Compared to what I've seen of PUBG Standout is actually rock solid. Also sorry you had a bad interaction with another player, everyone I've dealt with has actually been super nice.

Stuff on VR doesn't look as good as flatscreen but I think it's a good looking/playing game. I don't play it much just because I don't care to wait for a few minutes to wait for a minute to go find a gun then spend a few minutes sneaking around to then get shot by people that are better than me. I'd rather play Pavlov and get to shoot someone far more often.

If I was better/had a stock I could see absolutely loving the game/combat.

It's changed massively in a manner of weeks. In the beta the guns were horrid spray machines but they keep refining the gun-play and it's much better already.

PirateDentist
Mar 28, 2006

Sailing The Seven Seas Searching For Scurvy

Is there any site that tracks VR game deals specifically?

I have a Dell WMR headset coming in tomorrow, got it as part of the Amazon deals. I've used them before, so at $220 I think it'll be a nice level of compromise until the Vive Pro full package is out. Now I just need to start collecting the games. I know Space Pirate Trainer is a no brainer, that initial Vive demo with it in the glass storefront of a MS store remains one of the single most amazing moments of gaming I've ever had. Really interested in soundboxing too.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008

Stick100 posted:

It's early access but I disagree that it's janky. Compared to what I've seen of PUBG Standout is actually rock solid. Also sorry you had a bad interaction with another player, everyone I've dealt with has actually been super nice.

Stuff on VR doesn't look as good as flatscreen but I think it's a good looking/playing game. I don't play it much just because I don't care to wait for a few minutes to wait for a minute to go find a gun then spend a few minutes sneaking around to then get shot by people that are better than me. I'd rather play Pavlov and get to shoot someone far more often.

If I was better/had a stock I could see absolutely loving the game/combat.

It's changed massively in a manner of weeks. In the beta the guns were horrid spray machines but they keep refining the gun-play and it's much better already.

Standout is janky as hell. Bots can shoot you through walls, geometry popin is so bad that you'll be shooting at someone for a minute and you walk a little closer to find out that they were on the other side of a massive boulder, if you're holding too many items stuff gets stuck in your hands unless you drop them far away from your body, the audio spatialization is so bad you can't tell if someone is five or five hundred feet away from you sometimes, and on and on.

I enjoy the game (played at least 20-30 hours or so) but it's very clearly early access jank, and if you're looking for something refined you're not gonna get that experience.

Phuzun
Jul 4, 2007

Isthereanydeal.com is what I have setup to alert me off deals. I imported my wish list from Steam and it grabs deals from several sites. It also has a lowest price history, so you can tell if it's been cheaper in the past.

Zero VGS
Aug 16, 2002
ASK ME ABOUT HOW HUMAN LIVES THAT MADE VIDEO GAME CONTROLLERS ARE WORTH MORE
Lipstick Apathy

Songbearer posted:

Good on Oculus, I sent my headset in for an RMA after the right earphone died and they sent me an entirely new unit, not a refurb like I was expecting. Turnaround was drat quick too, I sent the package out on the 11th and got the new one today, 19th.

Yeah say what you will about Oculus but they have your back on hardware a lot more than HTC. When people were stepping on the cord and they didn't sell it separately yet, they were mailing out replacements for free.

Their store still blows though, they outright refused to pricematch stuff if they put it up for sale a day after you buy it from them, even though I hadn't played the games yet, and their "automatic refund" takes like 5 days to go through.

Phuzun
Jul 4, 2007

Yeah, they could learn from Steam's mistake of daily deals. Haven't done more than a single game purchase for awhile, though I remember the last time I wanted more than one game, it made each game purchase a separate charge instead of going into a cart and being a single charge.

Beve Stuscemi
Jun 6, 2001




I’m like a jillion pages behind but Windows MR headsets are getting discounted heavily.

https://www.cnet.com/news/windows-mixed-reality-headset-prices-cut-in-half-on-amazon/

Can these be used with oculus and/or vive games?

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I’m like a jillion pages behind but Windows MR headsets are getting discounted heavily.

https://www.cnet.com/news/windows-mixed-reality-headset-prices-cut-in-half-on-amazon/

Can these be used with oculus and/or vive games?
They can

Republicans
Oct 14, 2003

- More money for us

- Fuck you



I'm glad the guy's fine because it's hard to pretend this isn't funny. Not the seizure, of course, but everything surrounding it.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

Jim Silly-Balls posted:

I’m like a jillion pages behind but Windows MR headsets are getting discounted heavily.

https://www.cnet.com/news/windows-mixed-reality-headset-prices-cut-in-half-on-amazon/

Can these be used with oculus and/or vive games?

Holy poo poo.

Prime shipped, amazon backed warranty? Welp I might be ordering one this weekend. I really have other poo poo to spend money on but drat. Thats really a good deal.

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


Yeah I was watching some Lenovo Explorer impressions videos and it seems like the Windows headsets aren't bad all tracking limitations considered. They do room scale pretty easily and things like winding up a throw or using a bow and arrow, where a hand is going out of view of the cameras, aren't nearly as big an issue as I thought. Considering how cheap they're getting I might grab one soon and hold off on the proper VR poo poo until next year.

Who has a Windows headset in the thread? Is there any noticeable latency from the inside out tracking? My brother was trying to convince me that "there has to be a ton of lag" moving your head around, but after watching and reading no one ever mentioned latency.

Lemming
Apr 21, 2008
I have a Samsung Odyssey and yeah, overall the tracking is great, the only problem is the limitations on the range of the controllers but they're mostly fine.

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
200 bucks seems kind of tempting to get something for cockpit sims.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

Cojawfee posted:

200 bucks seems kind of tempting to get something for cockpit sims.

Ive put a couple in my cart a few times. I may not be able to not buy one.


Dell, Acer or HP?

HP seems to be the most premium feeling says reviews and acer is plastic poo poo right?

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 02:14 on Jan 20, 2018

forest spirit
Apr 6, 2009

Frigate Hetman Sahaidachny
First to Fight Scuttle, First to Fall Sink


I forget, but I think the Dell one is the only one that lets you adjust interpupilary distance and that's probably the most important considering they have to meet other fairly decent minimum reqs to market them as "windows".

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
Though looking into it a bit more. It seems these headsets are 1440x1440 per eye, whereas the Odyssey is supposed to be 1440x1600 per eye. I guess that's enough to dissuade me from getting one and just wait for something better.

Kazy
Oct 23, 2006

0x38: FLOPPY_INTERNAL_ERROR

I have an Acer dev kit and it's really robust. If it weren't for the controller range I'm not sure I'd be able to tell you it was inside out if I didn't know any better.

PirateDentist
Mar 28, 2006

Sailing The Seven Seas Searching For Scurvy

Penpal posted:

I forget, but I think the Dell one is the only one that lets you adjust interpupilary distance and that's probably the most important considering they have to meet other fairly decent minimum reqs to market them as "windows".

The Odyssey is the only one that has hardware IPD adjustment. Having tried another one and the Odyssey side by side, the higher res and the fact it's OLED vs LCD means it far and away has the best screen. It's also around $300 more because of the sale on the rest of them.

I have the Dell one arriving tomorrow, so I can give a trip report on more than a brief demo in the next couple days.

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

PirateDentist posted:

The Odyssey is the only one that has hardware IPD adjustment. Having tried another one and the Odyssey side by side, the higher res and the fact it's OLED vs LCD means it far and away has the best screen. It's also around $300 more because of the sale on the rest of them.

I have the Dell one arriving tomorrow, so I can give a trip report on more than a brief demo in the next couple days.

I'm thinking dell one myself. The higher FOV than the HP kinda sells it for me.

So, Someone tell me DELL or HP?! :D


EDIT: Gonna just pull the trigger on the dell. Its tax season, gently caress it.

http://amzn.to/2FVQyYC

Wish me luck! Ordered! Let you guys know monday how it is :)

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 03:03 on Jan 20, 2018

Ludicrous Gibs!
Jan 21, 2002

I'm not lost, but I don't know where I am.
Ramrod XTreme
Hey, never seen anyone mention these here so I figured I'd ask. Anyone tried Marshmallow Melee? It seems like a really neat idea, especially when the miniature town was my favorite part of the initial Oculus demo.

Haven't heard any talk about Shooty Fruity either... seems like an interesting twist on the usual wave shooter (having to scan supermarket items while shooting fruit).

Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!

Ludicrous Gibs! posted:


Haven't heard any talk about Shooty Fruity either... seems like an interesting twist on the usual wave shooter (having to scan supermarket items while shooting fruit).

Let's STFU And Play put up a fairly long video of this game and the guns and enemies just seemed bad and not fun.

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away
Is there an okay VR 3D model viewer around? Googling just brings up some porn things that don't look that useful.

SCheeseman
Apr 23, 2003

It's not that hard to just use Unreal or Unity, close to drag & drop.

Shemp the Stooge
Feb 23, 2001
nevermind! I missed the point.

homeless snail
Mar 14, 2007

Also A-Frame is incredibly easy if you know any HTML at all, you can build a scene with a model and teleport controls in about 5 lines of markup

Sillybones
Aug 10, 2013

go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away
I'll go with Unity, since their renderer looks pretty good. Thank you.

NoneMoreNegative
Jul 20, 2000
GOTH FASCISTIC
PAIN
MASTER




shit wizard dad

There’s a bundle of cheap vr games up on indiegala right now if you want some time wasters

https://www.indiegala.com/virtual-reality-xix-steam-bundle

Most of them seem to be reviewed as ‘fun but eh’

Gerdalti
May 24, 2003

SPOON!
I got pretty excited about that Windows Mixed Reality sale, but my IPD is 70, and it sounds like only the Samsung (not on sale) would really work for me. Oh well, back to waiting until post-tax season to upgrade for the Rift.

Edit: screw it, ordered the Lenovo, I'll try it out, if it sucks it can be returned because Amazon.

Gerdalti fucked around with this message at 13:58 on Jan 20, 2018

PerrineClostermann
Dec 15, 2012

by FactsAreUseless

Gerdalti posted:

I got pretty excited about that Windows Mixed Reality sale, but my IPD is 70, and it sounds like only the Samsung (not on sale) would really work for me. Oh well, back to waiting until post-tax season to upgrade for the Rift.

Edit: screw it, ordered the Lenovo, I'll try it out, if it sucks it can be returned because Amazon.

I know this struggle, fellow 70 goon

puberty worked me over
May 20, 2013

by Cyrano4747
I returned my MR headset pretty quickly. No 360 tracking is an abomination. If you want to VR just please get a Vive or a Rift.

The worst thing about some of these "180" VR kits is some games are designed around them. It's especially noticeable when using bows.

Gerdalti posted:

Edit: screw it, ordered the Lenovo, I'll try it out, if it sucks it can be returned because Amazon.

It does suck, a whole lot. What's even worse is like having to launch the windows MR portal thing and then launch steam VR. It's just a boggled mess. Much like the vast majority of the VR game market right now. There's a handful of games with 100+ concurrent players but most are sub 20 concurrent players and multiplayer is dead. They better keep shoveling money into Rec Room so the player count stays high enough for people to not immediately return their VR headsets because the only MP games anyone actually plays are Rec Room, Arizona Sunshine, Bridge Crew, and Serious Sam VR.

puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jan 20, 2018

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

puberty worked me over posted:

I returned my MR headset pretty quickly. No 360 tracking is an abomination. If you want to VR just please get a Vive or a Rift.

The worst thing about some of these "180" VR kits is some games are designed around them. It's especially noticeable when using bows.


It does suck, a whole lot. What's even worse is like having to launch the windows MR portal thing and then launch steam VR. It's just a boggled mess. Much like the vast majority of the VR game market right now. There's a handful of games with 100+ concurrent players but most are sub 20 concurrent players and multiplayer is dead. They better keep shoveling money into Rec Room so the player count stays high enough for people to not immediately return their VR headsets because the only MP games anyone actually plays are Rec Room, Arizona Sunshine, Bridge Crew, and Serious Sam VR.

You have to launch oculus home to use steamvr. I mean, let’s be real here thats not a huge deal.

I also don’t understand your nobody is playing Vr comment. It’s not like you’re walled off from people using a Microsoft headset. People are playing stand out and all kinda of stuff with them.

I’m not saying Vr is perfect or the ms headsets are amazing but your post reads like you had some insane unreal expectations of Vr in general.

Also since when is something with no sensors 180? Did you just not set your games and stuff in 360 mode? You’re the first person to say “lol no 360 tracking” and there’s been plenty of people in thread who owned or owns one and did not even mention that. And being such a big deal you’d think they would.

Idk your post seems like the bullshit my rl friends say about Vr and they have never even tried it.

Gerdalti
May 24, 2003

SPOON!
Turns out my CPU is too old for Windows MR anyway. Order cancelled. VR is going to set me back like $2k, more if crypto currency doesn't crash completely soon.

puberty worked me over
May 20, 2013

by Cyrano4747
The mixed reality headsets tracking behind your back is horrendous and useless. It's 180 tracking. No one is playing multiplayer VR games regardless of what headset you have, why is this hard to understand?

So far I've dropped $600 into a Vive and $200 for a set of 2 additional controllers because they're trash. The hardware is trash, the game selection is trash, you need $700+ of hardware to play at 60 FPS constant, and pretty much no one plays. Might be because of the former three factors. I've spent the money and went "Why did I just drop $1500 to get the VR experience and no one is playing anything but rec room?" I've milked all of the content out of Rec Room at 80 hours played.

The only multiplayer games with 70+ concurrent players are:
Rec Room
Arizona Sunshine
Onward
Bridge Crew
Serious Sam VR: Last Hope


Stand Out is sub 50 concurrent players peak and usually has sub 30. You should stop shilling for their dead, buggy, and janky game as people have said in this thread before.

Gerdalti posted:

Turns out my CPU is too old for Windows MR anyway. Order cancelled. VR is going to set me back like $2k, more if crypto currency doesn't crash completely soon.

I would say minimum requirements for VR are an i5-6600K and a GTX1060 or equivalent. So that's $500 right off the bat, add in $100 minimum for a mobo, drop another $140 for 16 GB DDR4 and you're at $740 just in hardware for entry level online VR play. Assuming you have a case and good enough PSU.

EbolaIvory posted:

your post reads like you had some insane unreal expectations of Vr in general.

Yeah games being actual games and not tech demos is really an unreal expectation. The only VR games I've found that warrant the title "Actual Game" are conversions of existing games to VR like Fallout 4 VR. I'm not going to hash out the issues with Fallout 4 VR because it would be beating a dead horse.

puberty worked me over fucked around with this message at 17:59 on Jan 20, 2018

EbolaIvory
Jul 6, 2007

NOM NOM NOM

puberty worked me over posted:

The mixed reality headsets tracking behind your back is horrendous and useless. It's 180 tracking. No one is playing multiplayer VR games regardless of what headset you have, why is this hard to understand?

So far I've dropped $600 into a Vive and $200 for a set of 2 additional controllers because they're trash. The hardware is trash, the game selection is trash, you need $700+ of hardware to play at 60 FPS constant, and pretty much no one plays. Might be because of the former three factors. I've spent the money and went "Why did I just drop $1500 to get the VR experience and no one is playing anything but rec room?" I've milked all of the content out of Rec Room at 80 hours played.

The only multiplayer games with 70+ concurrent players are:
Rec Room
Arizona Sunshine
Onward
Bridge Crew
Serious Sam VR: Last Hope


Stand Out is sub 50 concurrent players peak and usually has sub 30. You should stop shilling for their dead, buggy, and janky game as people have said in this thread before.


I would say minimum requirements for VR are an i5-6600K and a GTX1060 or equivalent. So that's $500 right off the bat, add in $100 minimum for a mobo, drop another $140 for 16 GB DDR4 and you're at $740 just in hardware for entry level online VR play. Assuming you have a case and good enough PSU.


Yeah games being actual games and not tech demos is really an unreal expectation. The only VR games I've found that warrant the title "Actual Game" are conversions of existing games to VR like Fallout 4 VR. I'm not going to hash out the issues with Fallout 4 VR because it would be beating a dead horse.

Yeah you’re jaded af. VR is fun and a good time.

And again, the ms headsets are “360” as in they are “roomscale” yes tracking behind your head is a no go, people who are not jaded have commented it’s pretty good.

Sorry you had a bad exp man but most of us are having fun. And it’s cute you’re calling stand out a dead game. You clearly haven’t kept up in it.

Enjoy grumpy land man.

EbolaIvory fucked around with this message at 18:12 on Jan 20, 2018

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Seashell Salesman
Aug 4, 2005

Holy wow! That "Literally A Person" sure is a cool and good poster. He's smart and witty and he smells like a pure mountain stream. I posted in his thread and I got a FANCY NEW AVATAR!!!!
I really don't think you need a sixth gen i5 minimum for VR. I posted about this specifically earlier in the thread but I went from 100% ASW in some Sairento maps to solid 90fps on highest settings just by upgrading from 1333mhz ddr3 to 2060mhz. This is with a 3570K.

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