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Clayton Bigsby posted:Well, the Metal Zone came out like 25 years ago so I guess I can let this one slide. 
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Clayton Bigsby posted:Well, the Metal Zone came out like 25 years ago so I guess I can let this one slide. 
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Jan 21, 2018 00:25
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I reckon thats a legit statement. You can actually hear the dl4 on lots of important stuff from the mid 2000s on, which you cant say about any of the cult transparent haunting mid overdrives.
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Jan 21, 2018 01:08
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I’m a total delay/looper nerd but I’ve always thought the DL4 was a fragile turd 
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Delay is such a well-established effect that it seems kinda weird to consider one that isn't one of the big firsts "important".
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Jan 21, 2018 01:18
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I agree with his points but the way he delivers the message is hilariously seething: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7HoQE4sKN_0 Also, he makes a big point about the fact Entombed used an Audio Technica mic and that this is the key to their sound (besides an HM-2 -> DS-1 -> Peavey Bandit, of course). Unless Dismember and Grave and Unleashed also used this same mic I'm going to go ahead and say it's the aforementioned Boss pedals with a Peavey that's actually the key you fookin' dingus. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N8muvSm7sJ4 The man needs views, I get it. Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 01:37 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Jan 21, 2018 01:35
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I'm not saying the article's wrong, I too have seen approximately a billion of those delay units on pedalboards at shows, I mostly posted it for how pitchforky it is.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:The man needs views, I get it. that guy's videos are great in part because he spends 20 minutes rambling on about nothing in particular and 3 minutes demonstrating the thing he ostensibly made the video about and in part because he goes through all that time and effort and some random axe-fx plugin from the ultimate guitar forums is a million times closer
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Crate made guitars? edit: I searched for "crate" in the guitar section at Reverb and found an amazing thing. BDA fucked around with this message at 02:12 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Jan 21, 2018 02:09
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:I agree with his points but the way he delivers the message is hilariously seething: I hope nobody takes him seriously because he doesn't know a drat thing about engineering a mix based off that first video.
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Anime Reference posted:edit: I searched for "crate" in the guitar section at Reverb and found an amazing thing. yowza
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Weird BIAS posted:I hope nobody takes him seriously because he doesn't know a drat thing about engineering a mix based off that first video. You mean the part about mids?
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hexwren posted:I'm not saying the article's wrong, I too have seen approximately a billion of those delay units on pedalboards at shows, I mostly posted it for how pitchforky it is. I half-kid. I like me some Converge, but holy poo poo if it doesn't feel like they've been playing the same record since You Fail Me
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:You mean the part about mids? Yeah. Cutting mids works in certain contexts and depends on the volume levels because of the fletcher Munson curve. Low volume cut mids sound great but as you turn up you’re missing a lot of information and end up having bass and treble too loud. It also depends on who is sitting in that frequency, vocals are a mid instrument end of story and if your guitar is in the way yeah cutting mids makes sense.
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Wark Say posted:You mean Richdork Magazine? The ones partially responsible for Converge becoming something beyond a footnote in rock history? give 'em a little credit, they did that one split ep with agoraphobic nosebleed
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hexwren posted:I'm not saying the article's wrong, I too have seen approximately a billion of those delay units on pedalboards at shows, I mostly posted it for how pitchforky it is. Did they really just write that article so they could say the names of bands they like to jack off to?
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Early Minus the Bear was basically DL4 Worship: The Band and it's a shame they don't do that anymore and their last album was plain boring rock music and it loving sucked and lacked any creativity at all. Or hell, maybe they still do it, but the last album sure wasn't interesting at all. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9mLzAf0LhLA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9CwL3yb1pLY Rageaholic fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Weird BIAS posted:Yeah. Cutting mids works in certain contexts and depends on the volume levels because of the fletcher Munson curve. Low volume cut mids sound great but as you turn up you’re missing a lot of information and end up having bass and treble too loud. It also depends on who is sitting in that frequency, vocals are a mid instrument end of story and if your guitar is in the way yeah cutting mids makes sense. He was talking about boosted mids though.
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:I agree with his points but the way he delivers the message is hilariously seething: I've always hated the argument that music isn't good unless it's recorded by one band in one room in one take. Raw technical musical ability at both a personal and group level is fine and good, but at the end of the day, literally the only thing that matters with recorded music is what comes out of the speakers. Doesn't matter if it's done by the whole band at the same time in one take or in a million different takes in different places then all emailed to the producer and mixed together later. Who gives a poo poo. It's music. It is 100% aesthetic. If it sounds good, it is good. GreatGreen fucked around with this message at 11:16 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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I'm a concert hound, so I vastly prefer bands that can also deliver live. Then again, I still listen to Fear Factory, so 
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GreatGreen posted:I've always hated the argument that music isn't good unless it's recorded by one band in one room in one take. Raw technical musical ability at both a personal and group level is fine and good, but at the end of the day, literally the only thing that matters with recorded music is what comes out of the speakers. Doesn't matter if it's done by the whole band at the same time in one take or in a million different takes in different places then all emailed to the producer and mixed together later. Who gives a poo poo. It's music. It is 100% aesthetic. If it sounds good, it is good. nah he wasn't arguing against multitrack recording or anything. what he was getting at was specific to modern metal production where everyone basically uses the exact same gear and settings, drums replaced with samples, one take looped over and over to build arrangements, etc. a lot of modern metal might as well be written by an algorithm using guitar pro or sibelius or something granted he's also slightly wrong about that as well as far as it being a present day thing. toiletovhell had an article the other day about the engineers at morrisound using a dos system and midi clock to calculate millisecond subdivisions on kick drums to punch them in manually because a lot of the early death metal drummers physically couldn't play their parts back then
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GreatGreen posted:I've always hated the argument that music isn't good unless it's recorded by one band in one room in one take. Raw technical musical ability at both a personal and group level is fine and good, but at the end of the day, literally the only thing that matters with recorded music is what comes out of the speakers. Doesn't matter if it's done by the whole band at the same time in one take or in a million different takes in different places then all emailed to the producer and mixed together later. Who gives a poo poo. It's music. It is 100% aesthetic. If it sounds good, it is good. Meshuggah actually recorded their latest album "live" in the studio with real amplifiers and miced drums. Of course it's still tight as gently caress because these guys are machines, but it was still pretty cool for the "godfathers" of Djent to flip off their imitators like that. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHYopyQTwHk Thomas Haake is loving amazing.
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GreatGreen posted:I've always hated the argument that music isn't good unless it's recorded by one band in one room in one take. Raw technical musical ability at both a personal and group level is fine and good, but at the end of the day, literally the only thing that matters with recorded music is what comes out of the speakers. Doesn't matter if it's done by the whole band at the same time in one take or in a million different takes in different places then all emailed to the producer and mixed together later. Who gives a poo poo. It's music. It is 100% aesthetic. If it sounds good, it is good. Back in my more punk rock days I sorta had that mindset, but when I started listening to some more adventurous stuff it wore off fairly quickly. There's just a lot of amazing and interesting music that is all but impossible to do live unless you're at least incorporating recordings from the studio into the live show. It's always entertaining to see someone who has a ridiculous amount of technical skill pull of something amazing live, but honestly I'd prefer to listen to somebody do something innovative and/or passionate regardless of whether it requires any technical skill at all.
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Anime Reference posted:Crate made guitars?
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Trig Discipline posted:Back in my more punk rock days I sorta had that mindset, but when I started listening to some more adventurous stuff it wore off fairly quickly. There's just a lot of amazing and interesting music that is all but impossible to do live unless you're at least incorporating recordings from the studio into the live show. It’s not like he’s slagging Godflesh for using a drum machine. Or Neurosis for using synths. It’s the produced-within-an-inch-of-its-life drum trigger bullshit that predominates recordings that is boring. Also pig squeal vocals are hilarious. edit: Anime Reference posted:I haven't watched the video but lol Dang It Bhabhi! fucked around with this message at 16:28 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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I haven't watched the video because I have better things to do than watch some random youtube guy's 20-minute rant but from the comments it sounds like he's complaining about a pretty small subset of metal. A lot of the stuff that's out there now (especially the stuff that's actually popular) has a much more naturalistic sound than super-tight super-compressed technical djentcore.
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it's not that small a subset he could've cut the video down to ten seconds by just saying gently caress andy sneap
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Jan 21, 2018 16:36
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The Muppets On PCP posted:gently caress andy sneap
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Dang It Bhabhi! posted:I agree with his points but the way he delivers the message is hilariously seething: I commented on this guy's iron maiden video about how he could cut out 17 minutes of rambling and just show off the gear setup in order to make the video actually watchable. He got super mad and melted down at me for disparaging all the hard work he does in doing the research for the videos. He really should shut the gently caress up, get off the camera, and just loving play the drat instruments.
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This is probably the most hilarious pedal demo I've ever seen *extreme guitar face* *noodles with a lovely, noisy pedal for a couple minutes* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgLMuMBBVl0
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lmao a facebook group entitled 'circle of tone' is the last place i'd want to hang out Honestly i don't know why bedroom chuds hold up the early entombed/dismember/grave etc albums as some sort of holy grail of tone considering basically any recent hm2 album has better production. poo poo isn't rocket science, dime the EQ on the thing, put a TS in front, into the fun channel of a 5150, mesa/orange cab, 57/421, done. Also get Kurt Ballou involved somehow. And get out of your fuckin bedroom.
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hm2 is the universal warning sign for boring riffs ahead don't @ me
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The Muppets On PCP posted:hm2 is the universal warning sign for boring riffs ahead don't @ me The right thread for this post
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The Muppets On PCP posted:hm2 is the universal warning sign for boring riffs ahead don't @ me
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The only newer band doing the sound justice tbh is Harm’s Way aka the band fronted by super saiyan henry rollins
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Concatenation posted:lmao a facebook group entitled 'circle of tone' is the last place i'd want to hang out relax it just sounds good and people like it. Kurt is cool and you seem very unchill. Welp ta-ta. edit: speaking of Kurt, his CreativeLive seminar thing is pretty good and often hilarious: https://www.creativelive.com/class/gear-gods-presents-studio-pass-kurt-ballou
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Anime Reference posted:I haven't watched the video because I have better things to do than watch some random youtube guy's 20-minute rant but from the comments it sounds like he's complaining about a pretty small subset of metal. A lot of the stuff that's out there now (especially the stuff that's actually popular) has a much more naturalistic sound than super-tight super-compressed technical djentcore. it sounds like he's complaining about all those terrible nuclear blast and metal blade bands that do have fanbases somehow, even though no one seems to listen to them Concatenation posted:Honestly i don't know why bedroom chuds hold up the early entombed/dismember/grave etc albums as some sort of holy grail of tone They sound like chainsaws which is bad rear end
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perfect guitar for the lessons presented, IMO https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-oLZBmZsvI
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