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steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

Baronjutter posted:

I love the petty trend of re-naming streets in front of embassies you're having a tiff with.

Shortly after the 1989 revolution the street on which the Czech Communist party is HQd was renamed to "Political Prisoners Street" lol

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Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
Running theories for the new PM dumping Macierewicz?

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012

Rinkles posted:

Running theories for the new PM dumping Macierewicz?

Duda's conditions for signing the bill that completely hosed up the Polish judicary system and put us in danger of EU sanctions?

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Aumanor posted:

Duda's conditions for signing the bill that completely hosed up the Polish judicary system and put us in danger of EU sanctions?

There was tension between the two of them?

Aumanor
Nov 9, 2012

Rinkles posted:

There was tension between the two of them?

For some time, and for several reasons, yes. Most direct is that in June Macierewicz started an investigation into general Jakub Kraszewski, Duda's closest associates in the Office of National Security, blocking his access to secret information. Duda was very vocally displeased about this, callling Macierewicz's methods "UB-like"

A lot of the conflict seems to stem from butting heads over the competences. See, the President of Poland is, ostentibly, the Supreme Commander of Armed Forces (not Commander-in-chief, mind, he merely nominates one in wartime,) but pretty much all the actual military competences are held by the Minister of National Defence. Duda is pushing for extending the competences of the President, and Macierewicz does not like to share.

The third reason, related to Duda's ambitions, is that he enjoys a far broader support than PiSs in general and wants to keep it that way and Macierewicz is possibly the single politician in Poland more polarising than the duckman.


There's also a chance that PiSs is preparing for Macierewicz's Smoleńsk report to end up a wet fart, since that's the only thing they've left him in charge of.

Anne Frank Funk
Nov 4, 2008

This is the way the plane lands
Not with a bang* but a whimper**



*multiple thermobaric explosions
**mouthed Kurwa

A Pale Horse
Jul 29, 2007

The other theory is that Morawiecki is trying to improve relations with Brussels by dumping those ministers most responsible for our conflicts (Szyszko) with them or perceived as most anti-EU (Macierewicz) or who have a bad reputation for being ineffective and buffoonish in Brussels (Waszczykowski). In reality its probably a combination of the two, internal and external motivations. I'm glad for the reshuffle because those were all unquestionably terrible ministers (as are nearly all PiS ministers) and Morawiecki seems more like a technocratic centrist in the vein of Macron rather than an Orbanite ultranationalist thug and while neither is great, I'll take the guy who isn't actively evil. I just wish he'd had the balls to can Ziobro who is the biggest fuckboy and most dangerous person in Poland if his ambitions aren't reigned in. PiS is strong enough now that they could absolutely can Ziobro and the 5-7% of the votes that he brings to them without fear of being in danger at the next election.

alex314
Nov 22, 2007

Ziobro's personal vendetta is not reason enough for now. He's legit Stalinist level thug when unchecked, but I'm not sure if Macierewicz "let's organize militia instead of buying any modern hardware" is not worse.

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?
https://twitter.com/AP/status/953201233807986688

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005


drat that's not a good thing.

HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos

HUGE PUBES A PLUS posted:

drat that's not a good thing.

I know very little about kosovo politics post about 2002, can someone give me the paragraph version of what's happening?

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009


That's a poorly phrased tweet. It makes it sound like the guy's lawyer is announcing the fatal shooting of himself.

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo
hey im curious about something, is there any significant presence of anarchists in eastern europe?

im just curious because a lot of the eastern european expats ive met seemed to be pretty into the idea after i talked about it with them since it took the concepts they saw as good about life under the soviet union and took away the stuff like authoritarianism/problems with central authority etc.

does any of the anecdotal stuff im saying here make sense or is this really just because i have a tiny biased sample pool of liberal expats who were even willing to talk to a leftist about politics in the first place

HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos
The only young Russian I ever mentioned anarchism to remarked some line that seemed to be from a textbook about how "anarchists only knew how to destroy, not how to build." It's funny that in Ukraine, they have been trying to reclaim Maxho as some nationalist hero rather than an anti-statist.

HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos
I would still say they have a better attitude than in the U.S. were most Americans don't know what the Haymarket affair was.

Kanine
Aug 5, 2014

by Nyc_Tattoo

HorrificExistence posted:

I would still say they have a better attitude than in the U.S. were most Americans don't know what the Haymarket affair was.

all the high-profile antifascist happenings in 2017 have definitely made a lot of liberals in my life more curious about what anarchism even is which is a good thing i suppose. we still have a long way to go tho

Rinkles
Oct 24, 2010

What I'm getting at is...
Do you feel the same way?

Kanine posted:

all the high-profile antifascist happenings in 2017 have definitely made a lot of liberals in my life more curious about what anarchism even is which is a good thing i suppose. we still have a long way to go tho

Anarchism is good now?

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




Kanine posted:

all the high-profile antifascist happenings in 2017 have definitely made a lot of liberals in my life more curious about what anarchism even is which is a good thing i suppose. we still have a long way to go tho

Towards the pit I hope? Thankfully in Eastern Europe anarchism seems to attract idiot children, or Greeks, since people tend to appreciate right to education or healthcare or such.

*american, weirdly*

Kanine posted:

hey im curious about something, is there any significant presence of anarchists in eastern europe?

im just curious because a lot of the eastern european expats ive met seemed to be pretty into the idea after i talked about it with them since it took the concepts they saw as good about life under the soviet union and took away the stuff like authoritarianism/problems with central authority etc.

does any of the anecdotal stuff im saying here make sense or is this really just because i have a tiny biased sample pool of liberal expats who were even willing to talk to a leftist about politics in the first place
*russian, cautiously* yeah, [gently caress the police and oh god please gently caress off can't you have a normal topic to discuss - we aren't even drunk yet, for Christ's sake]

Rinkles posted:

Anarchism is good now?

No, but they think they are important now because of Bitcoin.

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat

HorrificExistence posted:

The only young Russian I ever mentioned anarchism to remarked some line that seemed to be from a textbook about how "anarchists only knew how to destroy, not how to build." It's funny that in Ukraine, they have been trying to reclaim Maxho as some nationalist hero rather than an anti-statist.

Wouldn't anarchism in Russia be associated with bomb tossing maniacs? That could change the connotations a bit.

forkboy84
Jun 13, 2012

Corgis love bread. And Puro


cinci zoo sniper posted:


No, but they think they are important now because of Bitcoin.

Ah yes, Kropotkin was well obsessed with his cryptocurrency. And Durruti literally died so the Spanish people would have their education taken away.

:commissar:

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




steinrokkan posted:

Wouldn't anarchism in Russia be associated with bomb tossing maniacs? That could change the connotations a bit.

Modern anarchism in Russia is like at best two decades old, and was basically a 90s "do like the West" fad. The associations are usually either with Bakunin or Makhno, or with generic drunkards, because Soviet propaganda did stomp anarchism into the ground for its entire lifespan. The actual anarchists, however little of them ther is, are usually one of three socialist flavours (communism or syndicalism most often).

Guildencrantz
May 1, 2012

IM ONE OF THE GOOD ONES
Poland has some smallish-but-active anarchist movements, plus a lot of teenage ancaps like everywhere else, but out of respect for history I wouldn't call those anarchist so much as radical libertarians.

Mostly they copy and adapt the western "punk, veganism and squatting (the building kind)" lifestyle, but overall the movement peaked in the late 90's-early 2000's. They still have a notable presence in the tiny bubble of left-wing activism, but it's really more of a subculture than a political movement - again, like in the West. I won't poo poo on them, though: they may be annoyingly dogmatic, but some anarchist groups do very good things socially, especially campaigning for tenants' rights (an issue because of vulnerable people getting evicted from reprivatized housing).

Fabulous Knight
Nov 11, 2011
Wikipedia opinion poll aggregates tell me Zeman could actually lose the second round in the Czech Republic, is this likely to happen?

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
Zeman was 12% ahead of the second place candidate (38 vs 26). 35% of voters will have to pick a new candidate in the next round, and of the runner ups who didn't make it to the second round the three most important ones with a total of like 28% have jointly supported Drahoš, Zeman's opponent.

So all things remaining equal, 26 + 28 = 54% for the anti-Zeman camp. Will this hold? I have no idea.

SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!

Guildencrantz posted:

squatting (the building kind)

lol that in this context this needs to be clarified


cinci zoo sniper posted:

Modern anarchism in Russia

I would heartily recommend reading about the evolution of Egor Letov's political opinions to everybody who reads this thread for some quality laughs - from leftist but ragingly antiauthoritarian, anti-soviet anarchist committed to a mental health institution for his protests over being a founding member of the National Bolshevik Party with our old friends Dugin and Limonov to finally being an unironic communist / soviet nostalgic with some weird blend-ins of world-Christianity or whatever the gently caress at the end

SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 10:41 on Jan 17, 2018

anilEhilated
Feb 17, 2014

But I say fuck the rain.

Grimey Drawer

Fabulous Knight posted:

Wikipedia opinion poll aggregates tell me Zeman could actually lose the second round in the Czech Republic, is this likely to happen?
That really depends on how good a smear campaign can his people come up with on Drahoš. So far we mostly have pro-Russian websites claiming he was any combination of detached from reality, pawn of Soros, communist, communist secret police informer, pedophile, agent of Islam, freemason, illuminatus; basically standard stuff. Chances are Zeman will come up with The Big Lie during the TV debates where it will get the most exposure, like with the last elections when he rode a nationalist sentiment to victory.

There are basically two main unknowns here: the people who did not show up to vote in the first round but will come for the second and the people who voted for the other candidates who almost unanimously pledged support to Drahoš but may not sway some of the more extreme voters. Surveys are remarkably inefficient when it comes to predicting the size of both groups.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Kanine posted:

hey im curious about something, is there any significant presence of anarchists in eastern europe?

im just curious because a lot of the eastern european expats ive met seemed to be pretty into the idea after i talked about it with them since it took the concepts they saw as good about life under the soviet union and took away the stuff like authoritarianism/problems with central authority etc.

does any of the anecdotal stuff im saying here make sense or is this really just because i have a tiny biased sample pool of liberal expats who were even willing to talk to a leftist about politics in the first place

hi, i'm a realistic anarcho communist and understand it can never work with the human condition

steinrokkan
Apr 2, 2011



Soiled Meat
That's why an anarchist society must be preceded by an universal lobotomy.

HorrificExistence
Jun 25, 2017

by Athanatos

steinrokkan posted:

That's why an anarchist society must be preceded by an universal lobotomy.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/We_(novel)

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



SaltyJesus posted:

lol that in this context this needs to be clarified


I would heartily recommend reading about the evolution of Egor Letov's political opinions to everybody who reads this thread for some quality laughs - from leftist but ragingly antiauthoritarian, anti-soviet anarchist committed to a mental health institution for his protests over being a founding member of the National Bolshevik Party with our old friends Dugin and Limonov to finally being an unironic communist / soviet nostalgic with some weird blend-ins of world-Christianity or whatever the gently caress at the end

Drugs are a helluva drug. But he was a hell of a musician before well, everything.

:nws: WWII footage
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TqWIe4Exk7E

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 16:54 on Jan 17, 2018

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



What's the old saying, "Communism has failed every time it's been tested, while Anarchism has failed to even be tested"? I'd be an anarchist if I had more faith in humanity.

Anarchism is a beautiful dream, but some people have dirty minds.
And that is why we can't have nice things.

Warbadger
Jun 17, 2006

ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

What's the old saying, "Communism has failed every time it's been tested, while Anarchism has failed to even be tested"? I'd be an anarchist if I had more faith in humanity.

Anarchism is a beautiful dream, but some people have dirty minds.
And that is why we can't have nice things.

It's usually more that it's why there needs to be a social structure to ensure most people can both have and keep their nice things.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong
It's all fun and games until your annoying neighbor gets involved with his murderous friends.

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006
Oh boy, the things that happen in Estonia.

We have the celebration of 100 years of declaration of Independence happening soon, the president's office picked theater NO99 to arrange something for that day. One possible reason they chose that group (possibly by the president herself) was because that group has been criticized by our conservative racist party in the past for "dismantling the nation state, promoting lgbt agenda with taxpayer's money" and the usual alt-right mumbo-jumbo.

But somebody did take offense to that choice. Some actors, actresses, artists and a few other public figures, 104 in total, signed a public letter to the president decrying one of the producers of that theater group, who was convicted for punching a woman a few years back. Saying that they have nothing against the guy but he is the symbol of violence against women, and in the spirit of #MeToo, he should be left out from directing, yadda-yadda-yadda.

Then the leader of IRL party, who happens to be the minister of justice, dismissed those petitioners at a press conference as "a flock of hens", or something in that vein. And he is now facing a no confidence vote in the parliament. Since some social democrats said that they will go along with it, there is a chance that we will be without a government soon.

Not the shortage of planned tax revenues, not the lovely new tax law, not the vote of no confidence towards the minister of economy with her lovely free public transport would have broken this government. But this might.

cinci zoo sniper
Mar 15, 2013




jonnypeh posted:

Oh boy, the things that happen in Estonia.

We have the celebration of 100 years of declaration of Independence happening soon, the president's office picked theater NO99 to arrange something for that day. One possible reason they chose that group (possibly by the president herself) was because that group has been criticized by our conservative racist party in the past for "dismantling the nation state, promoting lgbt agenda with taxpayer's money" and the usual alt-right mumbo-jumbo.

But somebody did take offense to that choice. Some actors, actresses, artists and a few other public figures, 104 in total, signed a public letter to the president decrying one of the producers of that theater group, who was convicted for punching a woman a few years back. Saying that they have nothing against the guy but he is the symbol of violence against women, and in the spirit of #MeToo, he should be left out from directing, yadda-yadda-yadda.

Then the leader of IRL party, who happens to be the minister of justice, dismissed those petitioners at a press conference as "a flock of hens", or something in that vein. And he is now facing a no confidence vote in the parliament. Since some social democrats said that they will go along with it, there is a chance that we will be without a government soon.

Not the shortage of planned tax revenues, not the lovely new tax law, not the vote of no confidence towards the minister of economy with her lovely free public transport would have broken this government. But this might.

IRL party?

jonnypeh
Nov 5, 2006

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_Patria_and_Res_Publica_Union

lollontee
Nov 4, 2014
Probation
Can't post for 10 years!

They are extremely IRL all the time. Insufferable

HUGE PUBES A PLUS
Apr 30, 2005

https://apostrophe.ua/article/socie...kazanskiy/16548

This article and video is about the conditions in Donbass. Link above has a transcript of the interview.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1X_frvqVjjY

aphid_licker
Jan 7, 2009



This Albanian kid from my work was positive that the Serbs did this themselves. I always try to nudge him towards a chill attitude and stuff so I pointed out that war bad.

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SaltyJesus
Jun 2, 2011

Arf!

aphid_licker posted:

This Albanian kid from my work was positive that the Serbs did this themselves. I always try to nudge him towards a chill attitude and stuff so I pointed out that war bad.

lol the Kosovo albanians on all political levels (mayor, head of parliament) have been saying they won't stop before they reach Niš and, in one notable case, that Niš is a necessary part of Greater Albania

this isn't what our state propaganda is relaying, it's pretty much a direct quote of what some of them have been saying recently

SaltyJesus fucked around with this message at 16:20 on Jan 21, 2018

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