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The cool part is that the DPRK isn't awful, and that you suck.
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Jan 21, 2018 00:53
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life can be tough in the DPRK -- because of amerikkka's sanction and siege yanquis out!!!
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Jan 21, 2018 01:13
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Wheeee posted:The cool part about Western media constantly crying wolf on North Korea is that North Korea is actually awful as hell but now people are starting to defend them and brush off real problems out of contrarianism listen buddy, what the gently caress are you trying to say here? You trying to tell me that NK is bad, but the people who tell us they're bad are fatty loving liars? The gently caress is that supposed to mean? Am I supposed to trust your gut instinct on this one? you are RACIST
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Jan 21, 2018 01:14
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Juche thought is a world leader in reducing light pollution, they have shown us the way
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Jan 21, 2018 02:05
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just imagine the advances in astronomy the rest of the world will get once we welcome DPRK back into the community of nations
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Jan 21, 2018 02:13
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LOL North Korea is so bad 😂 What’s Attica btw
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Jan 21, 2018 02:18
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i heard the runner up in the DPRK's last election kept slaves in her mansion
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Jan 21, 2018 02:21
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And took blood from other slaves to sell for profito
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Wheeee posted:The cool part about Western media constantly crying wolf on North Korea is that North Korea is actually awful as hell but now people are starting to defend them and brush off real problems out of contrarianism Well, constantly lying about North Korea and embellishing the truth is going to make people question all the assumptions they've had about why the DPRK is bad. It makes it impossible to evaluate, and it's good to defend North Korea as a reaction because those embellished narratives are recycled purely to make a case for war.
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Jan 21, 2018 03:28
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Step into my office.
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Jan 21, 2018 04:35
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Funny story, the group that did that is pro-Peoples Temple (of Jonestown infamy) and tried to infiltrate Pentecostal churches in rural South Carolina:quote:During 2008, members of the Rural People’s Party Central Committee covertly inserted ourselves into various religious organizations in the rural Lexington County area, specifically the “Oneness Pentecostal” or Apostolic denominations, who trace their theological lineage from giants like William Branham (who once shared a podium with Jim Jones early on during Jones’ preaching career). Due to their emphasis on the Acts of the Apostles, some of the traditional articles of faith of the Apostolic denominations (such as pacifism, still present in many written charters) have given them a leftist tilt at times in their history. But the climate of the conservative South (which sends many young men and women into combat) had chiseled away at these. As a result, our members’ emphasis on “sharing all things in common” and bringing homeless people into the church from nearby urban Columbia was perceived as less than favorable.
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Jan 21, 2018 04:37
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:Step into my office. Nazbol gang...
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Jan 21, 2018 05:25
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if north korea can't read my posts then they should be bombed until they are able to
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The olds are just mad at the DPRK because it's run by a successful Millennial
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:PSL has the correct take on Lenin, where they acknowledge him as dialectically instrumental, but that the dialectic has also moved on in the last 100 years. and yet, Trotsky 
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so about twenty years ago, tankies hated on trotskyists handing out pamphlets on college campuses, while acknowledging trotsky himself was good on theory now he himself is targeted, and i'm not sure what changed so, uh, what changed
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Aliquid posted:so about twenty years ago, tankies hated on trotskyists handing out pamphlets on college campuses, while acknowledging trotsky himself was good on theory They actually read Trotsky.
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Jan 21, 2018 10:21
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reading stalin vol. 1 by kotkin update: stalin deffo hosed
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i like the part where his doting, constantly-worrying mother came to stay with him for awhile at the meteorological observatory where he worked (a job he got through connections in the socialist movement). like "mooooom this isn't a good time b/c we're engaged in an international marxist conspiracy..." tragically her other children died young and stalin was almost killed by a horse-drawn carriage when he was a child so it's no wonder she was protective. her husband was also a drunk who took off and left her with the kid. then because of his marxist activities he got exiled by the tsarist regime to siberia, escaped, almost froze to death, then amazingly made his way back to georgia, and the fact that he not only escaped but survived the journey so shocked some of his comrades they thought he was a police informant. BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 13:34 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Jan 21, 2018 13:31
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how do we know stalin wasn't a cop
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trotsky asked stalin and if he was a cop he would have had to say, it's the law
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:reading stalin vol. 1 by kotkin I've been listening to the audiobook. Stalin was also deffo into teenage girls and sounded like the worst houseguest ever.
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Jan 21, 2018 14:24
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nothing changed, its just that a bunch of people who are nominally socialist spend all their free time online and none of it organizing so they post memes and long diatribes on twitter about how revisionist or opportunist some party or clique is even though if they actually did any work alongside them theyd discover they agree and can work together on 99% of things
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Jan 21, 2018 14:27
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If u want to get deep into tankie-dom read about how the CIA murdered everyone at jonestown because the media was about to figure out it was an MKULTRA mind control experiment
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Also juche is insane Edit: But Hands Off DPRK Karl Barks fucked around with this message at 19:55 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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Karl Barks posted:If u want to get deep into tankie-dom read about how the CIA murdered everyone at jonestown because the media was about to figure out it was an MKULTRA mind control experiment It doesn't help that Jim Jones really was friends with CIA torturer Dan Mitrione.
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apropos to nothing posted:nothing changed, its just that a bunch of people who are nominally socialist spend all their free time online and none of it organizing so they post memes and long diatribes on twitter about how revisionist or opportunist some party or clique is even though if they actually did any work alongside them theyd discover they agree and can work together on 99% of things sorta obvious and yeah, of course they were running the USSR, but i just don't know the history. though it also seems that one of kotkin's observations is that the lunacy which the USSR descended into is partly a product of the bolsheviks having incubated under the tsarist regime which closed off reformist options and inadvertently encouraged conspiratorial masterminds like stalin to gain influence.
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One thing that struck me reading it was how many of the leading Bolsheviks had been trained in the Orthodox seminary or in Rabbinical school. I think that condition of rigor and self-obviation was critical for conditioning a generation for revolutionary theory & struggle.
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GalacticAcid posted:One thing that struck me reading it was how many of the leading Bolsheviks had been trained in the Orthodox seminary or in Rabbinical school. i figured they were just pissed off, like i was after eighteen years of pentecostalism
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GalacticAcid posted:One thing that struck me reading it was how many of the leading Bolsheviks had been trained in the Orthodox seminary or in Rabbinical school. otoh also extremely good for developing schisms over minor philosophical differences and purging the heretics
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Jan 21, 2018 21:10
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imagining every party having a podcast instead of a newspaper
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GalacticAcid posted:One thing that struck me reading it was how many of the leading Bolsheviks had been trained in the Orthodox seminary or in Rabbinical school. Aliquid posted:i figured they were just pissed off, like i was after eighteen years of pentecostalism GalacticAcid posted:imagining every party having a podcast instead of a newspaper BrutalistMcDonalds fucked around with this message at 21:15 on Jan 21, 2018 |
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:totally. i'm still wading into it but there's a photo of his inner circle in the '20s after he was in power and they look like any random socialist club in an american city in 2018. like twenty- and thirty-somethings and the men have scraggly facial hair. like, these people are running the USSR? WTF. but my visual reference points are world war II and later. thats obviously a part of it. as people even if we want to change society were also greatly affected and molded by our surroundings and society in ways were not aware of. the bolsheviks were actually extremely democratic and as much as people in the west like to portray lenin and others as all powerful despots leading their true believers, lenin had some crazy number of articles rejected from pravda because the editorial board didnt agree. the big problems the bolsheviks had after gaining power was the more or less betrayal by the right menshiviks and SRs and refusal to participate in the new government, combined with the emergency measures they had to enact because of the civil war. there were also more specific instances like the lenin levy which brought in hundreds of thousands of new communist party members, many of which werent communists but saw it as a path for advancement and some others who were brought in by party insiders to increase the number of party members loyal to them
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one contradiction I see a lot nowadays (again usually online) is people who staunchly defend the most authoritarian aspects of the USSR under stalin and afterwards, hating on everyone who ever criticized the USSR, but celebrating and lionizing rosa luxembourg. luxembourg was very critical of the bolshevik approach in russia and specifically called lenin and trotsky out on what she saw as their failings and mistakes, though she ultimately acknowledged their contributions and defended the revolution there. its pretty bonkers then when you see people who go to great lengths to explain how trotsky was a filthy counter-revolutionary social dem, despite him and the left opposition more or less taking the same line later on regarding the ussr, but then hold luxembourg up as some martyr for marxism-lenninism. the left opposition always defended the ussr but they also recognized the ways in which it was losing its revolutionary character
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:or both Lenin is the Matt, always yelling about the drat aristocrats.
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GalacticAcid posted:One thing that struck me reading it was how many of the leading Bolsheviks had been trained in the Orthodox seminary or in Rabbinical school. religious schools were very common, as the government trusted the orthodox church much more than teachers. there were secular schools, but the government did not trust the teachers at all, suspecting most of them of liberal tendancies, especally after the "back to the people" movement in which big city liberals went to small towns to radicalize the peasants. there was a special division of the tsarist secret police dedicated to spying on secular schoolteachers. so often a religous school was the only option in rural areas.
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GoluboiOgon posted:tsarist secret police wait but i thought the commies invented authoritarian secret police next you're going to tell me they didn't make the gulags either!!
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Wheeee posted:wait but i thought the commies invented authoritarian secret police in imperial russia, the building janitors were actually employed by the secret police to spy on the building tenants. now they just have centrally monitored surveillance cameras.
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