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DivisionPost posted:I think this piece does a good job of sussing out what went wrong and why people seem to be (unfortunately) calming down on him. I'm not sure what the unfortunately means here. What more would you like to see happen to him? How much more discussion is there to be had about this incident? Ignoring the larger discussions about attitudes toward sex. He was publically shamed. His brand was damaged. But he didn't commit a crime. So... what?
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Someone doesn't have to break the law to have done lovely and traumatizing behavior and just because someone is a lovely person doesn't mean that we automatically have to blackball them from an industry or stop enjoying previous work that included them. Do it if that person's involvement makes you uncomfortable, but you aren't automatically supporting that person's behavior if you aren't going to boycott. Metoo isn't about blacklisting and marginalizing individuals anyways, it's about giving women a voice so they can support other women in standing up to behavior that shouldn't be accepted in 2018. The victim blaming is horrific and it is coming from their own insecurity about wanting to still like the public face and work of Aziz while not looking like they are supporting the behavior. That's something we're going to have to figure out how we get past. It's ok to still like Parks and Rec AND think that Aziz did a terrible thing to that woman and likely other women too. It's thinking like that which kept stories like these silent for so long. Above all else though, practice what you loving preach. Don't don a metoo button if you made your date cry a few months ago pressuring her into having sex. Don't write a book about what dating in the 20th century should look like if you aren't doing it yourself. It's irrelevant whether or not Aziz was too clueless and misread the situation or that the woman was free to leave at any time. It wasn't a healthy encounter either way and if the story helps another woman leave a situation before it gets to that point or causes a man to think twice about how he's reading a situation, it's worthwhile. It doesn't have anything at all to do with Aziz's loving career.
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Jan 21, 2018 22:15
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm not sure what the unfortunately means here. What more would you like to see happen to him? How much more discussion is there to be had about this incident? Ignoring the larger discussions about attitudes toward sex. I think the problem is that so far he hasn't made any attempts to revisit the event from the girl's perspective or to review his attitudes towards sex and consent which indicates he's just keep doing the same thing he did to her.
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Jan 21, 2018 22:16
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PriorMarcus posted:I'm not sure what the unfortunately means here. What more would you like to see happen to him? How much more discussion is there to be had about this incident? Ignoring the larger discussions about attitudes toward sex. Honestly? I don't know. I feel like it's a little easy to lose sight of the idea that what happened to "Grace" loving sucks, and shouldn't be on her at all despite what some would insist. I have a friend who...doesn't talk much about it, but seems to have been in a similar position to her, and it hosed her up a bit. And the conversation around Aziz apparently reopened a few of those wounds. I don't want to be part of that problem, and I might overcorrect in an effort not to be. Here’s a more recent take from Jezebel that gets a little further into the conversation I want to see come out of this.
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Jan 21, 2018 22:18
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The end of the shield always make me depressed, what a gut punch this show is I always find weird how it wasnt more of a deal
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Jan 21, 2018 23:31
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Just watched Letterman and Obama. It's okay. He's as great a speaker as ever but he's words ring kind of hollow when you look at his record. I didn't expect Letterman to ask him anything too interesting but it's a shame Obama doesn't seem self critical at all. He also says some real moderate nonsense at times that comes across as someone still more concerned with political appearances than the reality we now live in.
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Jan 21, 2018 23:39
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PriorMarcus posted:Just watched Letterman and Obama. It's okay. He's as great a speaker as ever but he's words ring kind of hollow when you look at his record. I didn't expect Letterman to ask him anything too interesting but it's a shame Obama doesn't seem self critical at all. We are all to blame.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:04
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Josh Lyman posted:Obama is and always was a third way pushover. We projected our progressive hopes onto him. yup. he was still a good president though, all things considered.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:06
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Handsome motherfucker too.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:26
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honestly it's best to think of POTUS as more like the Monarch of England than not. while Trump (and others) have certainly given us painful reminders that POTUS does have legitimate power, what's more important to the world stage is just being a good statesman and Obama was very much that.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:44
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AND HANDSOME.
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Jan 22, 2018 00:45
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But is he Justin Trudeau handsome???? I THINK NOT trudeau looks like a tiny lee pace and I want to have a steamy straight affair with him
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Jan 22, 2018 00:48
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Come watch the SAG Awards with me! Kristin Bell is hosting, she's great.
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Jan 22, 2018 02:06
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:I hate to ask, but are there any rape scenes? That would be really triggering for my wife, so I'd rather know they're coming to be able to warn her. From what I remember: skip the MMA fighter episode and the episode with Hood's prison flashbacks (and the latter MIGHT be okay given no actual rape happens and dick-biting happens instead). Otherwise, you're clear.
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LORD OF BOOTY posted:From what I remember: skip the MMA fighter episode and the episode with Hood's prison flashbacks (and the latter MIGHT be okay given no actual rape happens and dick-biting happens instead). Otherwise, you're clear. I would skip ahead on the MMA fighter one to the actual fight, because Christ what a fight.
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Jan 22, 2018 04:22
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oh my God the Fresh Prince skit on the latest SNL, perfect
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Jan 22, 2018 04:24
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nate fisher posted:I would skip ahead on the MMA fighter one to the actual fight, because Christ what a fight. Actually, I'm just gonna https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqRPaucl8r4 By the way, that is NOTHING compared to some of the poo poo they do in Season 3. DivisionPost fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Jan 22, 2018 04:46
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I'm watching The Resident and someone finally didn't shock a flat lining patient. Not sure if the show has legs, I'd need to see jerk resident with the heart of gold get fleshed out a bit.
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Josh Lyman posted:Has the storm passed for Aziz Ansari? I feel like this thread was ready to crucify him a week ago. He's on the permanent poo poo list along with all the other fuckers but there isn't much more to say than that. PriorMarcus posted:But he didn't commit a crime. So... what? You can do a lot of unforgivable things without committing a crime, just saying.
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Jan 22, 2018 06:05
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Aziz Ansari is going to be miserably single for a very long time.
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Jan 22, 2018 06:09
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InsensitiveSeaBass posted:I'm watching The Resident and someone finally didn't shock a flat lining patient. Not sure if the show has legs, I'd need to see jerk resident with the heart of gold get fleshed out a bit. That show was so bad. So so bad.
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Jan 22, 2018 06:12
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Are there any new shows debuting shortly that don't look like total horseshit? AP Bio is the only thing standing out for me.
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Jan 22, 2018 06:16
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Rhyno posted:Are there any new shows debuting shortly that don't look like total horseshit? AP Bio is the only thing standing out for me. the new season of American Crime Story i mean it debuted a few days ago but that's close enough to count for you question i think
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Rhyno posted:Are there any new shows debuting shortly that don't look like total horseshit? AP Bio is the only thing standing out for me. DRAMAS: The Alienist, American Crime Story, Counterpart, WACO COMEDIES: Alone Together, Corporate, High Maintenance, Baskets *not technically new shows, but low flying enough that you might not have seen them. Open Source Idiom fucked around with this message at 07:04 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Jan 22, 2018 07:01
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Baskets S2 was insanely brilliant and I have super high hopes for where they decided to go with S3. Gonna be a hell of a ride I think.
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Big Bad Voodoo Lou posted:Holy poo poo. Gets better every season, until the last. But that wasn't an acting problem. It was a had tax credit issues and had to move state, and Starz stopped giving a gently caress. Rocksicles fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Jan 22, 2018 |
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Jan 22, 2018 08:34
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Finished season 2 of Starz/BBC's The Missing. The Webster dad dying hit me like a ton of bricks.
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Jan 22, 2018 09:19
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Jan 22, 2018 10:01
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precision posted:Aziz Ansari is going to be miserably single for a very long time. Eh, I doubt it. Even convicted rapists can find dates.
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DivisionPost posted:Honestly? I don't know. I feel like it's a little easy to lose sight of the idea that what happened to "Grace" loving sucks, and shouldn't be on her at all despite what some would insist. I have a friend who...doesn't talk much about it, but seems to have been in a similar position to her, and it hosed her up a bit. And the conversation around Aziz apparently reopened a few of those wounds. I don't want to be part of that problem, and I might overcorrect in an effort not to be. What complete shuts down all the arguments I see (a lot from women) that this was just a bad date and blargh blargh for me is that he built this whole brand around being the opposite of the account in that article, even wrote a book about it.
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InsensitiveSeaBass posted:I'm watching The Resident and someone finally didn't shock a flat lining patient. Not sure if the show has legs, I'd need to see jerk resident with the heart of gold get fleshed out a bit. My wife asked me to DVR this just because she was hoping for some accuracy in a medical show. She probably feels the same watching any movie/tv show with anyone in the hospital that I do the moment anyone opens a laptop. She needs a medical Mr. Robot. I think LL might’ve been a little overhyped, but I did really digged the ‘Oceans 11 but with NASCAR people’ angle it did. Can see why Soderbergh did it.
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Jan 22, 2018 17:05
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Logan Lucky is one of the best films of 2017, I've watched it twice today (once alone, once with wife)
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Jan 22, 2018 18:18
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Early reviews of Altered Carbon are out and it sounds like the general consensus is that it's great, if perhaps lacking a bit of substance at times and having some wonky pacing. Book fans seem positive about it as an adaptation as well, despite the changes.
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I have yet to see the Netflix show that critics didn’t bitch about the pacing. I wonder how much of it is from the requirement that they have to watch the show as fast as possible to get the reviews out. Making something work saps the enjoyment out of it
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Jan 22, 2018 18:43
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zoux posted:I have yet to see the Netflix show that critics didn’t bitch about the pacing. I wonder how much of it is from the requirement that they have to watch the show as fast as possible to get the reviews out. Making something work saps the enjoyment out of it Don't reviewers usually only get the first few episodes of their shows?
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Jan 22, 2018 18:56
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They got 6/10 episodes for Altered Carbon.
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Jan 22, 2018 18:59
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zoux posted:I have yet to see the Netflix show that critics didn’t bitch about the pacing. I wonder how much of it is from the requirement that they have to watch the show as fast as possible to get the reviews out. Making something work saps the enjoyment out of it I think it's just a basic symptom of the binge watching era. You u sit and watch the same thing for days on end and eventually you just naturally get kind of tired of it but you keep watching through to the end. It's part of why I always binge a couple of shows (and usually shows with different tones) at the same time so I can switch back and forth when my mood changes or I've had enough of one. Plus I watch sports and news and other stuff. But I think reviewers and a lot of fans just go 100% into binging these shows when they come out and that contributes to the constant "pacing" or "it was too long" criticisms.
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Really I've never had an issue with pacing on any of Netflix' shows besides some of the later seasons of House of Cards. I thought Defenders' and Jessica Jones' pacing were totally fine, though I do tend to watch dramas over a three-four day period.
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