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lil bip
Mar 13, 2004

That ain't workin', that's the way you do it

Jerry Cotton posted:

It's amazing that stores like Kmart, Sears, and Woolworth have died withing our life-times.

Kmart is doing really well in Australia and New Zealand. They had a big restructure a few years ago and it has been a pretty amazing turn-around.

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Melaneus
Aug 24, 2007

Here to make your dreams and nightmares come true.

GotLag posted:

I don't need to, it's been covered pretty well already:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d3fxkhWZbx0

Wow, it's "bless the rains", not "I guess the rain's down in Africa". I've been ever confused because Africa was more well known to me for struggling with drought all the time. Thank you Steve Almond, I've been living a lie all these years.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

lil bip posted:

Kmart is doing really well in Australia and New Zealand. They had a big restructure a few years ago and it has been a pretty amazing turn-around.

It's like Woolworths in Australia in that it isn't owned by the same people. It looks like Kmart Australia is run by Wesfarmers.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

JnnyThndrs posted:

MTV was like the only thing I ever got in on the ground floor on. My sister and I didn’t have cable, but my aunt did, so we went over there a day or two after it started and were mesmerized. There were only about 25 videos played regularly, and I think a quarter of them were by Peter Gabriel, but it was still the coolest thing 15-year-old me ever saw.

I remember watching the first video on their premiere.

dialhforhero
Apr 3, 2008
Am I 🧑‍🏫 out of touch🤔? No🧐, it's the children👶 who are wrong🤷🏼‍♂️
Pontiac still lives on as Holden in Australia too.

dissss
Nov 10, 2007

I'm a terrible forums poster with terrible opinions.

Here's a cat fucking a squid.

dialhforhero posted:

Pontiac still lives on as Holden in Australia too.

Uhh what?

The Australian Holden Commodore got briefly badged as a Pontiac for export (and later a Chevrolet) but that's dead now anyway so Holden is now a mix of Korean, Thai and European sourced GM stuff

Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.

Samizdata posted:

I remember watching the first video on their premiere.

And how many times over the next two years did you have to watch that drat Buggles video again? :argh:

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

Dick Trauma posted:

And how many times over the next two years did you have to watch that drat Buggles video again? :argh:

Innagaddadavita! WAY TOO MANY! :smithicide:

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

dissss posted:

Uhh what?

The Australian Holden Commodore got briefly badged as a Pontiac for export (and later a Chevrolet) but that's dead now anyway so Holden is now a mix of Korean, Thai and European sourced GM stuff
Yeah, a bunch of Holden cars got some kind of name for themselves.
The Monaro and Torana would pop up in video games every now and again. The Commodore a bit too but mostly the track car version.

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
I need to go back sometime and try to compare very early MTV videos to stuff that came out about a decade later. For some reason I get the recollection that there was a strange vibe to some early MTV videos and I don't know if that was because no one really had a basis for what the standards and practices should be for a long time.

Samizdata
May 14, 2007

JediTalentAgent posted:

I need to go back sometime and try to compare very early MTV videos to stuff that came out about a decade later. For some reason I get the recollection that there was a strange vibe to some early MTV videos and I don't know if that was because no one really had a basis for what the standards and practices should be for a long time.

Pretty much. A lot of the video effects hardware was new, crude, and no one really knew what to do with it also.

ladron
Sep 15, 2007

eso es lo que es
I remember people going nuts over the video for peter gabriel's "sledgehammer" and how groundbreaking it was

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

JediTalentAgent posted:

I don't know if that was because no one really had a basis for what the standards and practices should be for a long time.

There was also this weird space where no one kind of knew where the use of a music video was, so you got some stuff like Peter Gabriel's videos, stuff that was one step removed from the lipsynch performances on talk shows, or huge mini-movies buoyed by a Name.

Later on they figured it was a way to sell a record so it got less weird (until you get Missy Elliot)

Keiya
Aug 22, 2009

Come with me if you want to not die.

rndmnmbr posted:

I don't like MtG. Not only is it expensive, but also no one seems to play it the way I like - zero stakes, all cards allowed in any number, 3-6 person games, just having fun.

Okay. I'll play 60x Chancellor of the Dross. GG.

Edit: Actually a friend has informed me that 60x Soul Spike beats it. Which loses to 60x Memnite, which loses to Chancellor, so now we just have a game of rock-paper-scissors.

Keiya has a new favorite as of 07:35 on Jan 22, 2018

Horse Clocks
Dec 14, 2004


lil bip posted:

Kmart is doing really well in Australia and New Zealand. They had a big restructure a few years ago and it has been a pretty amazing turn-around.
it’s interesting how in countries where amazon hasn’t turned up and decimated the local stores, the chains are still doing ok, and totally contrary to most of the chat in this thread.

We’ll see how long they survive after Amazon moves into Australia.

The New Zealand retailers have a head start to pick up their game and get ahead of the curve, but I doubt they’ll do anything, They’ll just have a moan like they did with the parallel importers and import shopping, see their profits dwindle further then slowly close like dekka.

rndmnmbr posted:

I don't like MtG. Not only is it expensive, but also no one seems to play it the way I like - zero stakes, all cards allowed in any number, 3-6 person games, just having fun.


The mtg store I used to go to had a pretty vast stock of old-series cards selling for cheap. Me and my coworker started making and playing gimmick decks instead of the churn or new series’s. was a lot more fun.

But yeah, the kids just wanted to play the latest poo poo with the intensity of a power washer.

Mondian
Apr 24, 2007

Nvm

Mondian has a new favorite as of 12:01 on Jan 22, 2018

Mister Kingdom
Dec 14, 2005

And the tears that fall
On the city wall
Will fade away
With the rays of morning light

ladron posted:

I remember people going nuts over the video for peter gabriel's "sledgehammer" and how groundbreaking it was

That and The Cars' "You Might Think".

JediTalentAgent
Jun 5, 2005
Hey, look. Look, if- if you screw me on this, I shall become more powerful than you can possibly imagine, you rat bastard!
I think there was possibly also a lot of boundary pushing on MTV because they didn't know if where that limit was, too.

You get a lot of the heavy metal groups with their bizarre supernatural themes and trying to make themselves into leather-wearing sex symbols, you have things like the Tubes' "She's A Beauty" video. I don't know if any of it would be more or less scandalous today or not.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

ladron posted:

I remember people going nuts over the video for peter gabriel's "sledgehammer" and how groundbreaking it was

That's the only video I remember from my childhood.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

I also like(d) the song so

JnnyThndrs
May 29, 2001

HERE ARE THE FUCKING TOWELS
Those easily-remembered videos like ‘Sledgehammer” and such came later though; the very early days of MTV were filled with the same 25-50 videos and the vast majority of them were really terrible by today’s standards; Fleetwood Mac lip-syncing in the desert, Cheap Trick standing in a room motionless while a hanging lamp swings back and forth endlessly, etc.

But it was so different and so cool at the time that it spread in popularity like crazy; the ‘I want my MTV’ campaign was crazy-effective and had never been done before - consumers lobbying cable providers was unprecedented.

The really sad thing, to me, is that a huge number of people got really wealthy off of MTV and the original VJ’s got absolutely screwed, their pay was like $35K a year in Manhattan and they had to come up with all their own wardrobe. When they fought for better pay after the channel was a huge success, most of them got canned.

Croccers
Jun 15, 2012

Horse Clocks posted:

it’s interesting how in countries where amazon hasn’t turned up and decimated the local stores, the chains are still doing ok, and totally contrary to most of the chat in this thread.

We’ll see how long they survive after Amazon moves into Australia.
Amazon officially launched in Aus late last year actually. Range/Selection was lacking and prices were barely better than just going to a department store :v:

Lowen SoDium
Jun 5, 2003

Highen Fiber
Clapping Larry
All this Sears talk made me thing of when Brandon Byrd did a series of painting on some of the great Sears in our nation.









Last Chance
Dec 31, 2004

Lowen SoDium posted:

All this Sears talk made me thing of when Brandon Byrd did a series of painting on some of the great Sears in our nation.











lol these are really great

Geoj
May 28, 2008

BITTER POOR PERSON

Lowen SoDium posted:

All this Sears talk made me thing of when Brandon Byrd did a series of painting on some of the great Sears in our nation.











Looks like something they'd hang in cheap frames in the employee break room.

TITTIEKISSER69
Mar 19, 2005

SAVE THE BEES
PLANT MORE TREES
CLEAN THE SEAS
KISS TITTIESS




SEARS
SEARS
SEARS
SEARS
SEARS
SEA S
SEARS
SEARS
SEARS


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yamOer6lsjo

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

JnnyThndrs posted:

Those easily-remembered videos like ‘Sledgehammer” and such came later though; the very early days of MTV were filled with the same 25-50 videos and the vast majority of them were really terrible by today’s standards; Fleetwood Mac lip-syncing in the desert, Cheap Trick standing in a room motionless while a hanging lamp swings back and forth endlessly, etc.

But it was so different and so cool at the time that it spread in popularity like crazy; the ‘I want my MTV’ campaign was crazy-effective and had never been done before - consumers lobbying cable providers was unprecedented.

The really sad thing, to me, is that a huge number of people got really wealthy off of MTV and the original VJ’s got absolutely screwed, their pay was like $35K a year in Manhattan and they had to come up with all their own wardrobe. When they fought for better pay after the channel was a huge success, most of them got canned.

Back in the day artists had to sign over all rights to have their video played on MTV, which is why Beavis and Butthead could rip on lovely videos in the 90s, but not when they briefly brought the show back a few years ago.

Iron Crowned
May 6, 2003

by Hand Knit

The_Franz posted:

Back in the day artists had to sign over all rights to have their video played on MTV, which is why Beavis and Butthead could rip on lovely videos in the 90s, but not when they briefly brought the show back a few years ago.

I'm not sure this is right, because if MTV owned all the rights, there would have been DVD releases with all the videos on them.

This happens with a lot of TV from before DVD came around, because no one expected anyone to own a complete series on VHS.

Krispy Wafer
Jul 26, 2002

I shouted out "Free the exposed 67"
But they stood on my hair and told me I was fat

Grimey Drawer

Iron Crowned posted:

I'm not sure this is right, because if MTV owned all the rights, there would have been DVD releases with all the videos on them.

This happens with a lot of TV from before DVD came around, because no one expected anyone to own a complete series on VHS.

Probably broadcast rights versus retail sales.

The funny thing is that owning all the episodes of a show became a thing around the middle of the 00’s to the extent that the writers’ strike was partly because they wanted a bigger cut of DVD sales. Then streaming happened and everyone stopped buying DVD’s.

I’m sure they still get a cut of streaming residuals, but I doubt it compares to their cut off physical media.

Cat Hatter
Oct 24, 2006

Hatters gonna hat.

The_Franz posted:

Back in the day artists had to sign over all rights to have their video played on MTV, which is why Beavis and Butthead could rip on lovely videos in the 90s, but not when they briefly brought the show back a few years ago.

They did have some music videos in the comeback, but Mike Judge said he got the idea to bring the show back while watching some reality TV show and thought that Beavis and Butthead should be making fun of it.

Zemyla
Aug 6, 2008

I'll take her off your hands. Pleasure doing business with you!
Remember those old rear end Java phones you had back in probably 2004?

This guy wrote an app for those phones on one of them and actually did a business with it.

FilthyImp
Sep 30, 2002

Anime Deviant

Cat Hatter posted:

They did have some music videos in the comeback, but Mike Judge said he got the idea to bring the show back while watching some reality TV show and thought that Beavis and Butthead should be making fun of it.
I never got a chance to catch too much of the reboot, but there was a great bit where they're watching like S3 of The Jersey Shore and at the very end of the clip, Deena says like one thing.

Cue Beavis: "Ahhh. Too much Deena"

lil bip
Mar 13, 2004

That ain't workin', that's the way you do it

Horse Clocks posted:


We’ll see how long they survive after Amazon moves into Australia.

The New Zealand retailers have a head start to pick up their game and get ahead of the curve, but I doubt they’ll do anything, They’ll just have a moan like they did with the parallel importers and import shopping, see their profits dwindle further then slowly close like dekka.


True true.

RIP Deka

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Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


Zemyla posted:

Remember those old rear end Java phones you had back in probably 2004?

This guy wrote an app for those phones on one of them and actually did a business with it.

That was a very interesting article. Thanks!

The_Franz
Aug 8, 2003

Cat Hatter posted:

They did have some music videos in the comeback, but Mike Judge said he got the idea to bring the show back while watching some reality TV show and thought that Beavis and Butthead should be making fun of it.

They did, but they never ripped on them like in the old days. I distinctly remember people saying at the time that they couldn't really make fun of music videos anymore because, unlike back in the 90s, *everything* had to go through legal and be cleared with the rights holders and nobody was going to voluntarily let them publicly mock their work.

Mike Judge posted:

It used to be that we could do anything. Now we have to clear everything.

We were going to do a Kanye West video he wanted it on, and then somebody who owns, like, six percent of the songwriting said no.

3D Megadoodoo
Nov 25, 2010

Lowen SoDium posted:

All this Sears talk made me thing of when Brandon Byrd did a series of painting on some of the great Sears in our nation.











If I had 1050€ I'd totally buy "Hesburger in the Autumn Night" for my study :(

KozmoNaut
Apr 23, 2008

Happiness is a warm
Turbo Plasma Rifle


I just gave myself a lesson in how obsolete the MP3 format actually is.

I encoded 2.2GB of FLAC albums (so already compressed from straight CD-quality WAVs) down to just 210MB of ~96kbps Opus, and I cannot hear a drat lick of a difference between them, even on good headphones in a quiet room, while continuously repeating the same bits over an over. Nothing, not a drat difference to be heard.

Circa 2000 Napster-using MP3-downloading me knew drat well that the claims of MP3 supposedly being "full CD quality" at 128kbps were complete bullshit, but now we have a freely available audio codec that delivers on that promise and more, which is kind of amazing. As a general purpose audio format that is meant to replace both Ogg Vorbis and Speex, it's better at both music and speech (and low-latency at that) than either of them, and better than any commercial codec currently available.

You can encode music at like 6kbps and while it'll sound like poo poo lo-fi black metal, the vocals will still be intelligible, which is crazy.

Maybe it's a super geeky thing to get worked up about, but it really is quite an achievement, and I genuinely hope it will see widespread adoption.

KozmoNaut has a new favorite as of 16:00 on Jan 24, 2018

Volcott
Mar 30, 2010

People paying American dollars to let other people know they didn't agree with someone's position on something is the lifeblood of these forums.
I can't tell the difference between 320kbps mp3 and flac.

Anarchist Mae
Nov 5, 2009

by Reene
Lipstick Apathy

KozmoNaut posted:

I just gave myself a lesson in how obsolete the MP3 format actually is.

I encoded 2.2GB of FLAC albums (so already compressed from straight CD-quality WAVs) down to just 210MB of ~96kbps Opus, and I cannot hear a drat lick of a difference between them, even on good headphones in a quiet room, while continuously repeating the same bits over an over. Nothing, not a drat difference to be heard.

Circa 2000 Napster-using MP3-downloading me knew drat well that the claims of MP3 supposedly being "full CD quality" at 128kbps were complete bullshit, but now we have a freely available audio codec that delivers on that promise and more, which is kind of amazing. As a general purpose audio format that is meant to replace both Ogg Vorbis and Speex, it's better at both music and speech (and low-latency at that) than either of them, and better than any commercial codec currently available.

You can encode music at like 6kbps and while it'll sound like poo poo lo-fi black metal, the vocals will still be intelligible, which is crazy.

Maybe it's a super geeky thing to get worked up about, but it really is quite an achievement, and I genuinely hope it will see widespread adoption.

My music library is 17GB of Opus @ 96/128. It's awesome.

I participated in a listening test back in 2014 that concluded that Opus was better than the iTunes AAC encoder, which is quite something if you consider that Opus was released less than 2 years prior giving AAC a 17 year lead. Since then the encoder has only been improved too.

The live example page is worth checking out.

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Dick Trauma
Nov 30, 2007

God damn it, you've got to be kind.
I remember back around 1997 I made my first MP3s, probably with something like MPecker. The default back then was always 128, if only because the hard drive size explosion hadn't happened yet.

I'm not an audiophile but as I played with the settings I recognized that watery, swishy sound of over-compressed music, but my Mac was so wimpy that bumping the encoding rate to 256 took too drat long! :corsair:

With a better computer and more hard drive space I was able to set 256 as my minimum, but even so on certain songs I noticed the watery sound and had to tweak things a bit to stay ahead of the problem. Now that I don't buy CDs anymore it's annoying that so many tracks from the main providers sound crappy to me, obviously suffering from poor encoding. I often listen to Spotify on a free account and it's more of the same.

It's kind of a bummer that sound quality has gone out the window, sort of like if every digital image was covered in compression artifacts.

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