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Vitamin P posted:Mainly it's because of the princess twist though. I liked that Liberl seemed generally to be a forward-thinking place; a developing newsmedia, technology that seems to be broadly empowering, the start of meritocracy beating out inherited privilege across the various city plots. It built this sense that Liberl was still getting there with baby steps but it was a place actually worth the characters risking their lives to defend. Then the final chapter got all 'nah actually it's just about having the right person sitting in the marble palace while orphans go penniless' and Kloe gets a bit damned by association to the whole thing. Kloe's still cool though.
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the hot takes in this thread are too much for me to handle olivier gets two of the best moments in SC so hopefully he can win you over by then
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Olivier is the best  I'll agree that parts of FC are really really slow plot wise but the main plot for most the game is Estelle and Joshua Go on an Adventure. Smelling the roses so to speak is the point I feel. SC and Third feel way more "focused" for the better imo.
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Jan 23, 2018 00:22
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hellfire take: I have never actually finished FC. I played up till about the end of Chapter 1 when it came out, bounced off it pretty hard due to the dying snail pacing, then came back and just read the LP before going into SC which is a significantly better game in every way despite still having some pacing problems.
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BrightWing posted:Olivier is the best The slow pace is one of the best things about this game so far, imo. It's just that it doesn't work in Chapter 2 for me, where it goes from slow to slow during plot beats I actively dislike. Fortunately through the power of blitzing and freetime I'm at the point where the play is about to start, so phew. Almost through! By contrast, Chapter 1 felt...comfortable? And Rolent was a delight, slow and charming and you could just soak in these characters having a good time and going on adventures and so on.
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Jan 23, 2018 00:40
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Vitamin P posted:I don't really dislike any of the characters, gently caress A Kloe is overstating it and even Agate got tolerable towards the end. But her big CP thing did healing instead of busting heads, anyone can do healing with a few blue orbs but nothing seems to bash heads as well the special move hits. Also, if you think nothing works as well as S-Crafts, you weren't casting enough White Gehennas. quote:It's more that she stars in the weakest parts of the plot than that I think she's a bad character basically. 
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Jan 23, 2018 00:54
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I never agreed with the general consensus of FC being slow for the most part. I played through it twice in a pre-turbo mode world and only got annoyed at the pacing of the story in the last chapter, which has a lot of talking and watching other characters fight and very little gameplay outside of the awful final dungeon. I never even had a huge issue with the pace of the combat in FC, which is admittedly very boring in most encounters. SC on the other hand feels really bloated at a lot of points and could have used a lot of tightening up, in both quest design and script editing. I bought it on release and it took me a loooooong time to finally finish it up, mainly with the help of turbo mode. I also didn't like the change of a rather grounded and kind of realistic antagonist in FC compared to the literal anime supervillian ensemble in SC. I still like the all the talking to random npc's and stuff a lot but the main story didn't interest me like it did in FC, which was a fresh experience compared to SC's "all the same areas + plus some bad new dungeons."
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Well, it's slow in the sense that you're not instantly moving into major plot? It's almost a slice of life story with monster fighting instead of a serious plot - at least until the adventuring picks up in chapter 2, and even there it has bits that are just mellow and chill. (Fishing, anyone?) I mean, compare it with Final Fantasy VI that has you start off almost immediately running from an empire hellbent on destroying you, etc etc.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Well, it's slow in the sense that you're not instantly moving into major plot? It's almost a slice of life story with monster fighting instead of a serious plot - at least until the adventuring picks up in chapter 2, and even there it has bits that are just mellow and chill. (Fishing, anyone?) nah, I agree it's slow compared to most games but the pacing in FC just seemed to work for me in a way it didn't in SC. There's a good ratio of random npc talking:dungeon stuff:main plot while exploring a new setting. More stuff happens in SC but I actually like the lazy, slow feel of the early game the most, though I completely understand why people are like "why have I spent the last couple of hours preparing for a school play?" I would really like it if there were more games with a limited scope of the main characters dealing with stuff like protecting crops and getting cats out of trees and never go on to anything more grand. I think the main plot of these games are the parts I like the least. Sivek fucked around with this message at 01:25 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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Sivek posted:nah, I agree it's slow compared to most games but the pacing in FC just seemed to work for me in a way it didn't in SC. There's a good ratio of random npc talking:dungeon stuff:main plot while exploring a new setting. More stuff happens in SC but I actually like the lazy, slow feel of the early game the most, though I completely understand why people are like "why have I spent the last couple of hours preparing for a school play?" I would really like it if there were more games with a limited scope of the main characters dealing with stuff like protecting crops and getting cats out of trees and never go on to anything more grand. That's fair, thank you for clarifying! On my end, I think the slower, sweeter parts make the drama stronger - and vise-versa. I mean, I'm still too early in to really judge, but... I like Rolent more after being so worried for hostages and so on. Also - I just finished watching the play, and y'know what? That was a lot better than I remembered! With some bonus ominous rumblings for what themes this game will pursue, what with this chapter introducing both a completely corrupt duke who's in line to inherit the throne and the play espousing the themes of "commoners and nobles should be friends" as opposed to "eat the rich". I'm not sure how far this will be pursued, but... mmm. Crunchy stuff to speculate about, alongside enjoying how charming it was.
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I freaking called it about Jusis! I knew I liked snide haughty boy for a reason. E: I forgot to turn in a mission aaaa! E: 86 that auto save to the rescue. BrightWing fucked around with this message at 01:53 on Jan 23, 2018 |
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I liked Trails because Liberl felt like a collection of small towns combining to make a country. Every place you visit has a boonies kind of vibe, which kinda contributes to this cozy feeling I'd get playing it. Kinda helps make the concept of Bracers more believable, too. Why wouldn't you have a freelance organization that fills in the gaps around the country? Everyone already knows everyone! Erebonia felt exactly as big as it is supposed to be. That country is big time.
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Shinjobi posted:Erebonia felt exactly as big as it is supposed to be. That country is big time. Heck, we've only seen half of Erebonia, at that.
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StrixNebulosa posted:That's fair, thank you for clarifying! On my end, I think the slower, sweeter parts make the drama stronger - and vise-versa. I mean, I'm still too early in to really judge, but... I like Rolent more after being so worried for hostages and so on. Chapter 2 really shows what the Sky engine is capable of and has some really great cutscenes, the duel between Kloe and Estelle being one of the best.
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Also, chapter 2 is forgiven, the finale is badass and incredibly cool. All of my grumpiness towards it has been banished by a wicked cool chase sequence, and I don't even mind that Josh and Estelle couldn't arrest anyone this time again! (someone get these bracers handcuffs, yeesh) Also, regarding bracers in the setting - it really feels like 95% of Liberl's population are nice, decent folks. Like, they don't need to worry about corruption in their ranks, or favoritism - it's just such a nice, ideal little place so far, and all they need are the Bracers to go around keeping things in check. I mean, my perceptions are probably going to be blown away by whatever's coming, and I don't like this evil cult/organization thing showing up, but... hmmm. Again: so much to speculate on and think about!  Gonna dig into chapter 3 tomorrow - I remember a little bit of it before I burned out last time and quit, and I remember liking it.
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Some Numbers posted:I've missed the Cold Steel "get all chests" achievement a total of FIVE TIMES between the two games. I finished Cold Steel 1 without getting that. I then methodically went back and checked. I'm pretty sure it was the one literally right before the final boss of Chapter 4. A Celestial Balm. 
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Played through FC pre-turbo mode and while it felt "slow" I really enjoyed it. By the time I got to SC turbo mode had been released and it suddenly felt like, god how did I play through FC without this.
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SC is my overall favourite trails game, but there's something special about FC for me. There's something about E & J just wandering around liberl having mostly low stakes adventures and getting to know people that I find endlessly charming. I love that the game takes the time out for a lengthy scene where the protagonists just have lunch. I love the whole play sequence, where they set up the gender reverse thing, which would usually be the signal for waaaackyy hijinks, only for the game to play it with complete sincerity. Before trails, my favourite jrpg was persona 4, and whenever i think about it now I can't help but imagine how badly P4 would have butchered that play. I love every other game in the series, but nothing has evoked quite the same feeling in me as FC did. I'm kinda glad i bounced off the original PSP release because it came out just as I was finding it impossible to comfortably play handhelds, the wait for SC would have killed me.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Also, regarding bracers in the setting - it really feels like 95% of Liberl's population are nice, decent folks. Like, they don't need to worry about corruption in their ranks, or favoritism - it's just such a nice, ideal little place so far, and all they need are the Bracers to go around keeping things in check. I mean, my perceptions are probably going to be blown away by whatever's coming, and I don't like this evil cult/organization thing showing up, but... hmmm. there's a fun contrast around this in cold steel, where the political corruption in erebonia has entirely forced the bracers out as a public entity, and you get to see all the friction that a place like that feels
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I’m so glad I played tits FC with no spoilers, so I just discovered the entire world on my own. I only started the series because I listened to this song https://youtu.be/_p56c2xo7xQ
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Billzasilver posted:I’m so glad I played tits FC with no spoilers, so I just discovered the entire world on my own. I only started the series because I listened to this song - This song is amazing - I love the concept of a jrpg where you play as cops, and naturally it's the two games in the middle of the series that XSEED aren't translating.
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StrixNebulosa posted:- This song is amazing The fan translation effort's last update was at 50% about six weeks ago, so we MIGHT see that patch by the summer.
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Some Numbers posted:The fan translation effort's last update was at 50% about six weeks ago, so we MIGHT see that patch by the summer. I like your optimism but I've been burnt by fan translations before.
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They'll post a new update Soon, they've reported on the Falcom discord.
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StrixNebulosa posted:I like your optimism but I've been burnt by fan translations before. Look I just want to play Trails to Zero without having to lean on my fading Japanese skills.
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The primitive orbment computer began running better when we accidentally rebooted it. The mechanic is stunned and studying this new maintenance strategy. I love this game so much.
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So I beat Xanadu and of the falcon games I have played it might be my second favorite after sky? I really liked the story and the combat was surprisingly fun. The ending and true ending were cool but the after story didn't do much for me though. It's very TITS 3.
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yeah, the after story feels a little like they took a TiTS 3 style sequel and condensed it into 4 hours. I was expecting a little epilogue catching up with the characters, which was a problem because it was 2 am and was hoping to finish off the game that night. I bet the nine-tailed fox god guy was laughing his rear end off about the whole thing, though. A scene like that would have made it all worth it.
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Trails in the Sky: a chill, relaxed game. Also, people nearly get killed and torn apart by monsters on a regular basis - often enough that we get to rescue hapless travelers...four? Five times? And Estelle and Joshua just joked about bringing back the pieces of this lady to Elmo. ...The tonal dissonance is getting to me, in other words. But hey! It's good to see Dorothy again!
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StrixNebulosa posted:Trails in the Sky: a chill, relaxed game. Also, people nearly get killed and torn apart by monsters on a regular basis - often enough that we get to rescue hapless travelers...four? Five times? And Estelle and Joshua just joked about bringing back the pieces of this lady to Elmo. I mean, bracers make a living off killing monsters and escorting people from city to city to avoid monster attacks, so yeah, that happens a lot.
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nobody ever gets killed by the monsters they are actually very nice souls with a flair for the dramatic who like to create opportunities for dramatic rescues If no one shows up on time they just stand around awkwardly until someone does
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People get nearly killed in a lot of tonally off putting ways in this series, it’s one of the best, gut punchier parts “Hey great party you guys!” *anti-matter vaporizes army fortress*
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StrixNebulosa posted:And Estelle and Joshua just joked about bringing back the pieces of this lady to Elmo. They kid because they love.
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Dorothy's secretly the Grandmaster and would dismember those silly beasts with a thought and Estelle and Joshua subconciously know this. She was never in real danger. 
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Jan 24, 2018 09:11
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No one gets killed during the games, flashbacks are a free for all though
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Sakurazuka posted:No one gets killed during the games, flashbacks are a free for all though This is not true.
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Erpy posted:Dorothy's secretly the Grandmaster and would dismember those silly beasts with a thought and Estelle and Joshua subconciously know this. She was never in real danger. Dorothy is Aidios taking a vacation and that's why she's so good a photographer: when the Goddess tells the scenery to smile, the scenery knows better than to ask how wide.
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