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Endorph posted:i cant believe this is the first anime, ever, to combine hosed up sexual dynamics and mecha I haven't watched that many robot shows, so you'll have to forgive me for my ignorance. I just haven't seen one that has been this blatant and lacking in merit outside of whatever sexual analogies the creators wanted to make. Is this really that common?
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Mecha cartoons is innately oversexed genre in which little boy (or girl) wields your pick of massive industrial war machine/abomination of biological science/literal supernatural entity, or any combination thereof, as a gonzo stand in for their frail childish physical body in a sort of idealized surrogate puberty during which they can prove their worth as an adult, hint hint, to any number of hot girls, boys, or adults. Extra points if whatever they use the mecha to fight is also highly sexualized!
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Jan 23, 2018 03:56
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Understanding posted:I'm still wrapping my head around how the female partner is the interface/control console for the mechs. Their hoods are instrument clusters, their controls on their hips. They have heels (why?) Rewatching ep1 right now 0ni is wearing the appropriate suit for her mech. The female partner is the CPU of the machine while the male is the graphics card. That's why the girls can move the machine alone but it's dangerous. They don't have the processing power alone to work the machine properly, but working in tandem with the male allows everything to function smoothly on ultra graphics. The suit facilitates the connection, the display shows the various nerd stats. Zero Two is not human, and her machine is (probably) special, so she can move it alone with limited efficiency. As for the heels idk all the machines have stilt legs maybe it's a sensory thing
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Jan 23, 2018 03:58
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Zwiebel posted:I haven't watched that many robot shows, so you'll have to forgive me for my ignorance. Mecha is pretty common a vehicle (heh) for other themes that a show wants to explore. Not that there aren't shows that About The Robots or anything but you bet that sex is always something someone has wanted to explore
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Jan 23, 2018 04:00
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the mecha is the protagonist's penis. that's why a lot of mecha anime are really weird about putting girls into mechs, especially the further back you go.
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Jan 23, 2018 04:00
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Didn't Sayaka in Mazinger Z literally never win a fight or something?
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Jan 23, 2018 04:02
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Raxivace posted:Didn't Sayaka in Mazinger Z literally never win a fight or something? I forget if this is true, but they keep sticking her in comically underpowered mechs over her repeated objections because she can’t handle a manly mech like Mazinger Z. Also her first one has literally no offensive capabilities except tit missile.
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Jan 23, 2018 04:05
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Zwiebel posted:I haven't watched that many robot shows, so you'll have to forgive me for my ignorance. I haven't watched a ton of Mecha stuff, but some sexual themes are very common. Like Gurren Lagann definitely had a whole Drill/Mech/Penis thing going on, most hillariously expressed when the combining of Gurren and Lagann leads a giant drill to erupt directly in front of Kamina's dick as their robot attains full, uh, potency. But this is a whole new level of insane directness. I can't believe we're only two episodes in. If this show keeps going at the rate it has ..  I'm a fascinated and a little bit horrified, and I think that's exactly how I'm supposed to feel. I don't think the show is lacking in merit at all. It's trying to say something. It might end up saying something abhorrent or incoherent, but that remains to be seen. At least it's trying something!
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Jan 23, 2018 04:10
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skasion posted:I forget if this is true, but they keep sticking her in comically underpowered mechs over her repeated objections because she can’t handle a manly mech like Mazinger Z. Also her first one has literally no offensive capabilities except tit missile.
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Jan 23, 2018 04:10
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I think that the butt handles bugged me whereas things like Aquarion's jizz-gattai didn't is because the butt handle situation is particularly dehumanizing and it's only the girls that have to go through it BUT I also realize that they're probably doing it on purpose and going to subvert the roles later so I'm reserving judgement till the show's over. (also they looked dumb) fwiw i thought the second ep was a lot better on a rewatch.
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Jan 23, 2018 04:11
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at the very least the protagonist is definitely gonna end up in the butthandles with zero-two metaphorically (and literally) pegging him, even if they never do a female female or male male pair, or have the characters break down the mechs into new methods of piloting, or anything.
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Jan 23, 2018 04:12
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Eela6 posted:I haven't watched a ton of Mecha stuff, but some sexual themes are very common. Like Gurren Lagann definitely had a whole Drill/Mech/Penis thing going on, most hillariously expressed when the combining of Gurren and Lagann leads a giant drill to erupt directly in front of Kamina's dick as their robot attains full, uh, potency. Well, yeah, and that's all fair and good and all. But, like, my issue is that episode 2 in particular has been so overbearingly and entirely focused about the not so subtle metaphorical erectile dysfunction of the male lead that I really don't get why this even wanted to be a mecha show at all. Hence my comment about how this would've been better as a slice of life. Whatever attempts at world building they might have made, it gets kind of overshadowed by the fact that someone made robots that are powered by loving. There's exploring a topic through a different genre and then there's violently penetrating a round hole with a square peg for 20+ minutes. I dunno, I'm really just confused about the creative process behind this. I guess the world in this would never have made sense and I should appreciate the same directness and honesty. Like, in retrospect, I really do appreciate the "you were awful" punchline, but the joke was 20 minutes long and that's a bit much.
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Jan 23, 2018 04:14
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I liked that when he couldn't get it up he just kept pulling at the butt handles like dude lmao
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Jan 23, 2018 04:17
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I mean, we're two episodes in and we haven't even really been fully introduced to the stakes of the story, it's still mostly been setup. By making it a mecha anime they can have the characters' sexual and romantic foibles have immediate consequences for the people around them and the world around them, rather than just themselves, and by making it a sci-fi anime they can create a setting that is more defined by these foibles. Like, if you made this scum's wish, the teachers all being invested in their sex lives would be super weird, but in this setting all these outside pressures telling them how to have a relationship and what to do can be actualized as characters in the story and the way the world around them works, rather than just implied.
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Jan 23, 2018 04:19
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SpazmasterX posted:As for the heels idk all the machines have stilt legs maybe it's a sensory thing It looks like both the pistils and stamens have specialized shoes to lock into the franxx when, uh, in position. It's not clear though.
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Jan 23, 2018 05:09
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Zwiebel posted:episode 2 in particular has been so overbearingly and entirely focused about the not so subtle metaphorical erectile dysfunction of the male lead I read it less as "he can't get it up" and more "she can't get it in", it would tie better into her struggling in pain to move with them connected, and the implication with his past partner being thrown out but he gets to stay because he has Awesome Protagonist Powers/Boner
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Jan 23, 2018 05:18
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Endorph posted:at the very least the protagonist is definitely gonna end up in the butthandles with zero-two metaphorically (and literally) pegging him, even if they never do a female female or male male pair, or have the characters break down the mechs into new methods of piloting, or anything. Not saying it isn't possible, but i will be really surprised if in a medium so resistant to changes the show runners pulled off a literal submissive male protagonist, in a genre defined by the male power fantasy. Yeah, the text the show gave us so far implies that he can only "function" with the alpha 02, but to say he will be the handles is a bit much i think. Not because it doesn't make sense, but because it would be far too much of a departure from the traditional.
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Jan 23, 2018 05:34
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Personal_Nirvana posted:Not saying it isn't possible, but i will be really surprised if in a medium so resistant to changes the show runners pulled off a literal submissive male protagonist, in a genre defined by the male power fantasy. Yeah, the text the show gave us so far implies that he can only "function" with the alpha 02, but to say he will be the handles is a bit much i think. Not because it doesn't make sense, but because it would be far too much of a departure from the traditional.
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Jan 23, 2018 05:42
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darealkooky posted:I read it less as "he can't get it up" and more "she can't get it in", it would tie better into her struggling in pain to move with them connected, and the implication with his past partner being thrown out but he gets to stay because he has Awesome Protagonist Powers/Boner "Why'd it stop [being erect]? Move, move! Damnit, why is this happening? I was able to pilot [dat other chick's rear end] back then!" "What's wrong?" "I don't know. It just stopped [being erect]." "Was it my fault?" I'm really struggling to read this any other way, but by all means, convince me. Also her struggling pain feels more like a "what's she got that I don't have?" type of ego/self-esteem issue.
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Jan 23, 2018 05:50
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AnacondaHL posted:I'm really struggling to read this any other way, but by all means, convince me. How All My Problems Were Brought On By My Immense Schlong, a light novel by Hiro-016
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Jan 23, 2018 05:54
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Endorph posted:uhhh, is your point here literally 'the japanese are incapable of making art that strays from the norms of the medium or genre the art exists in' because, jesus. the latest gundam series ended with all of the manly men mecha pilots getting themselves killed in stupid ways and a lesbian couple resolving the conflict by talking. Turn-A Gundam had a villain who was obsessed with power, dominance, and proving himself the strongest contrasted with the protagonist, a fairly effeminate guy who spends like 1/3rd of the series crossdressing and hates fighting and mostly uses his mech for washing clothes and carrying cows. And it's from the year 2000. Code Geass had a male protagonist who was a pretty lovely pilot and spent 90% of the first season in a grunt mech and had to rely on a girl to do all the fighting for him because all his other troops were the worst pilots in Japan, and while that take gets muddled a bit in the second season the second season still has that same girl firmly established as the best pilot in the series by a mile. I don't think 'a guy has to be the copilot for a cool girl' would be that odd of a direction for a mecha series to take in this, the year of our lord 2018. Heck, I've mentioned Godannar before in this thread and that had multiple pairs that functioned in that manner.
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Jan 23, 2018 05:58
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idk why it would be ed when the problem is he's not with the right partner
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Jan 23, 2018 05:58
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skasion posted:How All My Problems Were Brought On By My Immense Schlong, a light novel by Hiro-016
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Jan 23, 2018 05:59
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It's possible my opinion swayed because I'm p sure I overhead that exact conversation at work one time at lunch from a bunch of older dude co-workers, as they were discussing the merits of Cialis vs Levitra vs Viagra. And then they started talking about their kidney stone experiences and I threw up a little bit in my mouth. welp that's my story.
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Jan 23, 2018 06:01
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Loran only crossdressed for like 2 episodes iirc which is extremely hosed up maybe he did it again on the moon?
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Jan 23, 2018 06:02
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Zwiebel posted:Well, yeah, and that's all fair and good and all. And why can't a show want to be a mecha show that uses overt sexual imagery/allegory to present its themes? The same story in another genre would be different story. Also that part wasn't a punchline to a 20 minute long joke, it was a dramatic shift in their relationship. Ichigo used to crush on him, and now she thinks he's a worthless piece of poo poo. If this isn't working for you, don't watch it. There's plenty more mecha of all kinds out there.
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Jan 23, 2018 06:03
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DisDisDis posted:Loran only crossdressed for like 2 episodes iirc which is extremely hosed up it was at LEAST three and also multiple characters constantly reference how sexy he is in a dress
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Jan 23, 2018 06:07
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Well, they're right
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Jan 23, 2018 06:14
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More guys need to crossdress
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Jan 23, 2018 06:20
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Endorph posted:
I don't think the show's a bad example, but I'd say you're taking it further than it goes to support the point. Just right off the bat, the two "manliest" mech pilots have deaths that, in contrast to a lot of the earlier fatalities, are presented as heroic. They're making a last stand to protect their family, giving their lives to keep others safe. More than that, Akihiro's last stand ends with him getting the only heroic and successful example of revenge in the series. He dies taking out someone the viewer probably hates, and who caused more grief than pretty much anyone else in the show. The resolution isn't just talking either. It's a point reached because the massive pile of bodies Tekkadan left behind, and the primary mover for the resolution among the living is Rustal Elion, a pretty classical military father figure type. (And a bastard's bastard, of course). Tekkadan's attack dog methods get most of them killed, and Kudelia's diplomacy leaves her successful and in a happy marriage with Atra, but I don't think it lines up quite as neat as you're implying.
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Jan 23, 2018 06:42
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chiasaur11 posted:I don't think the show's a bad example, but I'd say you're taking it further than it goes to support the point. and a lot of that is just how you read certain characters more than anything really in the text itself
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Jan 23, 2018 07:04
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SpazmasterX posted:The female partner is the CPU of the machine while the male is the graphics card. Thank you for breaking it down into terms my gamer brain can understand  quote:As for the heels idk all the machines have stilt legs maybe it's a sensory thing Since we can deduce that the franxx are designed by Dr Oldmansqueezeyourass, every part of this framework was done on purpose by an old perv. Here’s where I’m stuck, Homegirl’s a dashboard in all this. As far as sexual metaphors go, oh boy. Forgive me for being 7 pages behind this discussion but the more i think about all this, the less likely we’re going to see subversion in all of this. Kentaro Yabuki illustrating the manga seems to tell me everything i need to know about the direction it’s headed. But the female pilot just bein an interface to jack into is the worst metaphor for a sexual awakening story. I would hope this story goes in the direction of more mutual control when piloting. I’ve got conflicts in my head between Give and Recieve I don’t have the context to explain properly. I’d like for there to be a move towards “piloting” as equals, I’d love if they go with the femdom angle for 016 and 002, they seem to be dangling this, but god knows if they’ll pull it off.
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Why would the tie-in manga's artist be relevant at all to the story? That'd be something picked by the producers, not really the staff. And he's got no involvement in the writing of the show. "Hey, this show has sexy girls," "Cool, get the guy who draws sexy girls to draw the manga" is the extent of the thought that went into it.
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Hey guys, you're missing the obvious reasons why it's a mecha show. It's so they can have cool fight sequences and sell toys 
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Jan 23, 2018 07:52
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Understanding posted:But the female pilot just bein an interface to jack into is the worst metaphor for a sexual awakening story. I would hope this story goes in the direction of more mutual control when piloting. Did you miss the part where twintails girl got jealous that her partner wanted to pilot with another girl and their robot instantly broke down and stopped working?
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Jan 23, 2018 08:24
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Endorph posted:at the very least the protagonist is definitely gonna end up in the butthandles with zero-two metaphorically (and literally) pegging him, even if they never do a female female or male male pair, or have the characters break down the mechs into new methods of piloting, or anything. Just as an aside I doubt this is gonna happen because in ep 1 Strelizia talked with zero two's voice.
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Jan 23, 2018 08:56
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darealkooky posted:Did you miss the part where twintails girl got jealous that her partner wanted to pilot with another girl and their robot instantly broke down and stopped working? Not only did this happen, it also happened while they very specifically talked about how the robots don't function properly if the two pilots aren't working together. Hell, Ichigo putting her mech into desperation overdrive mode when she lost her patience with Hiro is a rock solid example that the girl has just as much, if not more control than the guy, despite the butthandles setup.
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Jan 23, 2018 09:47
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Droyer posted:Just as an aside I doubt this is gonna happen because in ep 1 Strelizia talked with zero two's voice. I don't know what the voice has to say since everyone took a turn talking last episode and Hiro most likely wasn't conscious during his first ride.
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Jan 23, 2018 10:25
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i think the old guy is going to be 02s first partner, old cause of having his life force sucked out
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Skeevy as the butt handles may be, it's still a far better 2-pilot interface than in Pacific Rim. It's been brought up before that the girl's piloting suits are based on traditional wedding dress, but not sure if anyone brought up that the male's suits are black as a reference to the suit grooms wear. Another thing I noticed, while the female suits have fairly obvious banding and stripes in the colour of their Franxx, the male suit only has a small patch of the colour by the right shoulder. Probably to represent that the girl is more closely connected with the Franxx as she essentially becomes its brain, and implies that maybe there's a link between them which means that the girls can't change Franxx as easily as they can change partner.
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