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The Narrator
Aug 11, 2011

bernie would have won

Relevant Tangent posted:

There's no follow-up tweets, anyone know what this is?

August Ames (via pinknews) declined a shoot because the male performer she was to be working with had previously worked in gay productions. She was called out for homophobia on Twitter. Her suicide was/has been seized upon by the alt-right as an example of SJWs bullying people to death (was covered in Breitbart, not going to link.)

edit: beaten on previous page

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

aware of dog posted:

loving of course Friedersdorf comes to JPs defense
https://twitter.com/conor64/status/955547915837059072
Friedersdorf sucks big time.

Relevant Tangent
Nov 18, 2016

Tangentially Relevant

Huh. Her body her choice, hosed thing to get bullied over.

temple
Jul 29, 2006

I have actual skeletons in my closet
porn, a bastion of equality and progress

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
I'm sure she was a perfectly normal, well adjusted mentally healthy person to kill herself over getting flamed on Twitter

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

If she had killed herself in relation to turning down a shoot, it would've been because it threatened her career and not because of a twitter squad. I dunno if you internet guys know much about the porn industry, but it's bad.

Metal Cat
Dec 25, 2017

aware of dog posted:

loving of course Friedersdorf comes to JPs defense
https://twitter.com/conor64/status/955547915837059072

Friedersdorf is often good when he's talking about foreign policy and liberal blindness to imperialism, but he also chooses some dumb hills to die on.

Vincent Van Goatse
Nov 8, 2006

Enjoy every sandwich.

Smellrose

Ace of Baes posted:

I'm sure she was a perfectly normal, well adjusted mentally healthy person to kill herself over getting flamed on Twitter

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Relevant Tangent posted:

Huh. Her body her choice, hosed thing to get bullied over.
Yeah I think it comes from a weird thing on the left I've seen, which I don't even know if I'd call it "left" at all but more like extreme liberalism, which is the idea that you should be called out for *not* sleeping with people on account of their race, gender, etc.

So let's say if you refuse to sleep with black men, then you are a racist and deserve approbation. Maybe it is racist but so what? Even if one's sexual preferences come from morally dubious reasons, it doesn't follow that one should seek to change that behavior. Or like, "I should go find a black man and gently caress him." Kind of a bizarre way to think about sex.

And in any case we make discriminatory decisions all the time about romantic partners that would not be tolerated in any other context (you just might find someone to be ugly, or too fat or skinny, and obviously it would be wrong to discriminate against them at work for this). But this person was a porn performer so bodily autonomy doesn't apply? Of course it does.

It's a really wrongheaded and sinister form of politicizing the bedroom, and these ultra-liberals play right into the hands of the likes of Breitbart with this stuff. These decisions should be excluded from moral judgement IMO.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 09:04 on Jan 23, 2018

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 25 days!)

https://twitter.com/xychelsea/status/955535851743715328

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

If she had killed herself in relation to turning down a shoot, it would've been because it threatened her career and not because of a twitter squad. I dunno if you internet guys know much about the porn industry, but it's bad.

Career is a relative term. 99.99% of performers are in and out of the industry within a year. Many are finished with it inside of a month.

C2C - 2.0
May 14, 2006

Dubs In The Key Of Life


Lipstick Apathy
August Ames was actually goon darkpriest's wife.

Dmitri-9
Nov 30, 2004

There's something really sexy about Scrooge McDuck. I love Uncle Scrooge.

Relevant Tangent posted:

Huh. Her body her choice, hosed thing to get bullied over.

No one forced her to be in a scene with anyone. It's kind of weird framing since an angry mob shows up whenever someone shoots their mouth off on twitter so no one should expect any different in this situation.

Cyberpunkey Monkey
Jun 23, 2003

by Nyc_Tattoo
hosed up if true, but they warned us about fake news during the campaign so...

Mermaid Autopsy
Jun 9, 2001


Liberals: that's just what Comrade Manning wants you to think

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

Inescapable Duck posted:

https://twitter.com/demonic_alien/status/955236660568035330

Because we live in the Irony Dimension now, the liberal accusing Manning of palling around with Nazis has palled around with the exact same Nazis.

can someone explain to me why so many journos are desperate to whitewash a figure as pathetic and horrible as cernobitch? its truly baffling

Business Gorillas
Mar 11, 2009

:harambe:



babypolis posted:

can someone explain to me why so many journos are desperate to whitewash a figure as pathetic and horrible as cernobitch? its truly baffling

not necessarily therno, but the media is desperate to have a coherent and rational "other side" to play off of

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

"i'm gathering intel!" i protest as i do a line of coke off mike cernovich's chest

PetraCore
Jul 20, 2017

👁️🔥👁️👁️👁️BE NOT👄AFRAID👁️👁️👁️🔥👁️

Taintrunner posted:

Adult film star August Ames committed suicide after admitting to not doing scenes with gay-for-pay male actors on Twitter.
It's almost like pressuring people to have sex is bad... but ofc that gets spun into 'she was MURDERED for 'homophobia'!'

Like whatever she gets to have whatever boundaries she likes.

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/eugeneantifa/status/955587140863197184

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Kilmers Elbow posted:

"i'm gathering intel!" i protest as i do a line of coke off mike cernovich's chest
seems kinda harebrained yeah? 'i'm gathering intel on the fascists.' i don't know if she knew this, but these alt-lite types livestream everything they do because they live in a reality T.V. show of their own making.

Zeroisanumber
Oct 23, 2010

Nap Ghost

Sane, stable individuals ready to take the master race to their glorious destiny.

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

"control....this is kollateral kitty....i'm inside...."

SpaceGoku
Jul 19, 2011

babypolis posted:

can someone explain to me why so many journos are desperate to whitewash a figure as pathetic and horrible as cernobitch? its truly baffling

I genuinely think that there is just a huge number of people in america whose lives have been so comfortable and free of conflict that they can't grasp the idea that there are actual evil people in the world who have actual evil agendas

like yes they can conceive of a serial killer or child molester or what have you, but they classify these people as something other than a complete human, as a kind of stunted being more akin to a lower animal and they can't conceive of the idea that someone might have a full human intellect and emotional life and then use those tools to come to the conclusion that it is good to deport/murder millions or force women into socially/sexually subservient lives, or whatever

there's probably also an element of emotional gullibility where a journalist meets with one of these people, is treated nicely/politely because the person they interview wants to leech the journalist's credibility to advance an agenda, and then the journalist confuses this niceness/politeness for Being Good and emotionally projects their own desires onto the subject and then becomes invested in maintaining that delusion

babypolis
Nov 4, 2009

one thing i learned from twitter is that a lot of journos have a pathological need to be loved by everyone, leading to them being bowled over by anyone with even an ounce of charm. its like that guy who wrote a glowing profile about bannon despite the fact bannon tried to destroy his career. they lack any moral fiber and the ability to conciously direct their emotions so they end up fawning over absolute scum like steve bannon or mike cernovitch

and like everything else its structural like its probably impossible to make it anywhere in news if you arent a supreme bootlicker

Crazycryodude
Aug 15, 2015

Lets get our X tons of Duranium back!

....Is that still a valid thing to jingoistically blow out of proportion?


It's been a few days but I want to share that there were like... four Proud Boys at the Orlando Women's March over the weekend. They got kicked out by cops and just went to a different part of the park. One of them looked, like, 45 or 50 years old and the rest were kids. They kept getting harassed by local kids and one group tried to steal their flag. Just lol at these 4 dudes in their Proud Boy uniforms outnumbered thousands to one getting into shouting matches with old liberal ladies being the best the white race can muster.


I honestly didn't think the Proud Boys existed anymore, didn't they fall apart or something?

Crazycryodude has issued a correction as of 07:58 on Jan 23, 2018

Shalebridge Cradle
Apr 23, 2008


Crazycryodude posted:

I honestly didn't think the Proud Boys existed anymore, didn't they fall apart or something?

Its shocking their platform of rabbit punches and not wiping your rear end never took off.

rudatron
May 31, 2011

by Fluffdaddy
the reason journos are compelled to white wash nazis is because they have to play to the audience - presenting 'bad people on both sides' is a way to short circuit complaints of political bias, even if politically in america right now, it's the right that's clearly becoming more and more unhinged and violent, and there's no real mirror image on the left.

the communists are gone, all you have are rose emoji social workers versus 4 times jailed criminals covered in nazi tattoes. white supremacists killed more people in terrorists attacks in the US than anyone else, by a wide margin.

but if you present everything as is, dumb poo poo retirees phone in about how mean you're being to the nice young man that wants to murder all the jews, so you're always on the search for anything you can inflate on the left, to tip the scales

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
i don't think journalists are so naive. that certainly does happen. but i think a lot of times journalists get into a parasitic relationship with their sources, who they see (even if they don't realize it) as a resource to be exploited as raw material for their stories. and this can be mutually beneficial to both journalist and source, since the source is often exploiting the journalist to advance an agenda or sell a product, or sell themselves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nOUtFzeMhhA

i post this hard-boiled scene of richard burton chewing the scenery from "the spy who came in from the cold" because i think it's basically true and that journalists are a lot like spies. and what le carre did was show cold war spies as seedy, grubby liars and not the glamorous james bond types that people thought they were. (before becoming a writer, le carre worked for MI6 stationed in germany, and his dad was a career conman, which is one reason why MI6 sniffed him out to recruit.)

anyways during the cold war, intelligence agencies and the press were so interlinked it was hard to tell the difference. the CIA and KGB both had dozens of journalists on their payrolls. but the fact that they were so interlinked really says a lot about the nature of journalism.

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 08:14 on Jan 23, 2018

Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

I think narcissism fuels most of it.

"Yes I understand that I'm giving them priceless mainstream exposure but I really believe my interview with Richard Spencer will illuminate the Alt-Rights contradictions....advance the conversation....broader context....bleurghhh"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Kilmers Elbow posted:

I think narcissism fuels most of it.

"Yes I understand that I'm giving them priceless mainstream exposure but I really believe my interview with Richard Spencer will illuminate the Alt-Rights contradictions....advance the conversation....broader context....bleurghhh"
yeah i can see that. they can convince themselves of that. but that's just the bullshit they say so they can sleep at night

Reclines Obesily
Jul 24, 2000



Hey Moona!
Slippery Tilde

Crazycryodude posted:

It's been a few days but I want to share that there were like... four Proud Boys at the Orlando Women's March over the weekend. They got kicked out by cops and just went to a different part of the park. One of them looked, like, 45 or 50 years old and the rest were kids. They kept getting harassed by local kids and one group tried to steal their flag. Just lol at these 4 dudes in their Proud Boy uniforms outnumbered thousands to one getting into shouting matches with old liberal ladies being the best the white race can muster.


I honestly didn't think the Proud Boys existed anymore, didn't they fall apart or something?

i also thought they didnt exist anymore, i guess theyre winding down?

this is the fourth story i've heard where proud boys get harassed by local children/teens

BornAPoorBlkChild
Sep 24, 2012
:siren:ONE OF THE GOOD ONES:siren:

https://twitter.com/thecjpearson/status/949334147566358528

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
CJ Pearson is another weird case of astroturfed right-wing micro-celebs who started out waaaay too young for it.

http://www.breitbartunmasked.com/2015/07/09/ali-akbars-latest-tea-party-scam-is-his-most-disturbing-yet/

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

Ace of Baes posted:

I'm sure she was a perfectly normal, well adjusted mentally healthy person to kill herself over getting flamed on Twitter

She was the third high profile porn star suicide in 2017. Or fourth, depending on what happened to a suddenly disappeared one

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

Yeah I think it comes from a weird thing on the left I've seen, which I don't even know if I'd call it "left" at all but more like extreme liberalism, which is the idea that you should be called out for *not* sleeping with people on account of their race, gender, etc.

So let's say if you refuse to sleep with black men, then you are a racist and deserve approbation. Maybe it is racist but so what? Even if one's sexual preferences come from morally dubious reasons, it doesn't follow that one should seek to change that behavior. Or like, "I should go find a black man and gently caress him." Kind of a bizarre way to think about sex.

And in any case we make discriminatory decisions all the time about romantic partners that would not be tolerated in any other context (you just might find someone to be ugly, or too fat or skinny, and obviously it would be wrong to refuse to discriminate against them at work for this). But this person was a porn performer so bodily autonomy doesn't apply? Of course it does.

It's a really wrongheaded and sinister form of politicizing the bedroom, and these ultra-liberals play right into the hands of the likes of Breitbart with this stuff. These decisions should be excluded from moral judgement IMO.

I stand by my wholly sincere call to go back to a more prudish time where we collectively shut the gently caress up about what sex we have and with whom because it's only positive for a minority of weirdos and disruptive to everyone else

hackbunny
Jul 22, 2007

I haven't been on SA for years but the person who gave me my previous av as a joke felt guilty for doing so and decided to get me a non-shitty av

PetraCore posted:

It's almost like pressuring people to have sex is bad... but ofc that gets spun into 'she was MURDERED for 'homophobia'!'

Like whatever she gets to have whatever boundaries she likes.

Be honest now: she used twitter to talk shop with other performers and sent out warnings that they were about to shoot with a guy who had done gay porn. Twitter is a sickness, like a direct broadcast of your subconscious that's archived forever. What a terrible invention

Uncle Wemus
Mar 4, 2004

aware of dog posted:

loving of course Friedersdorf comes to JPs defense
https://twitter.com/conor64/status/955547915837059072

what worthwhile thing does jordan have to say

Slow-Scan Shep
Jul 11, 2001

Ace of Baes posted:

I'm sure she was a perfectly normal, well adjusted mentally healthy person to kill herself over getting flamed on Twitter
using people's suicides to bludgeon your ideological opponents over the head with is a sacred internet tradition

Slugnoid
Jun 23, 2006

Nap Ghost

Crazycryodude posted:

I honestly didn't think the Proud Boys existed anymore, didn't they fall apart or something?

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Kilmers Elbow
Jun 15, 2012

Uncle Wemus posted:

what worthwhile thing does jordan have to say

doesn't matter - but if you ever wanted to watch the birth of a meme watch that video

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