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Hot Karl Marx posted:So what did dems get out of this deal other than a promise from a lying gently caress? What was their alternative, take a principled stand for a cause they believe in?
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you can be sure that a percentage of people who got "radicalized" (kinda) by Bernie are going to be disillusioned when he does something wrong, falls from grace, loses another primary, etc. There is definitely some love of the man, not the ideas, out there. Just hope it isn't a very large percentage Also this kind of person probably isn't joining the DSA/"doing socialism" so it shouldn't be any great loss
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Jan 23, 2018 17:27
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emdash posted:you can be sure that a percentage of people who got "radicalized" (kinda) by Bernie are going to be disillusioned when he does something wrong, falls from grace, loses another primary, etc. There is definitely some love of the man, not the ideas, out there. Just hope it isn't a very large percentage I'll join the DSA when they are actually able to quietly eject the spies in their ranks.
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Jan 23, 2018 17:29
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Vox Nihili posted:I got a real despondent email from the CA Dems about the whole thing. Anyone who actually gives even a quarter poo poo about the dreamers knows theyve been betrayed. Not true. It’s pretty obvious even to people who couldn’t care less.
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Hot Karl Marx posted:So what did dems get out of this deal other than a promise from a lying gently caress? funding for CHIP 
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Jan 23, 2018 17:31
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CHIP was never off the table. Everyone wanted that funded.
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Lawman 0 posted:I'll join the DSA when they are actually able to quietly eject the spies in their ranks. sure, it could be the PSL or the IWW or organizing your workplace or whatever the hell. I just put it out there as an example
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emdash posted:sure, it could be the PSL or the IWW or organizing your workplace or whatever the hell. I just put it out there as an example Alright yeah
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Hot Karl Marx posted:CHIP was never off the table. Everyone wanted that funded. i'm not saying it's a great win, but it finally got funded after 114 days without a budget so...
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Hot Karl Marx posted:CHIP was never off the table. Everyone wanted that funded. Congrats, you are now the top Democratic strategist in the nation
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Jan 23, 2018 17:34
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Vox Nihili posted:Congrats, you are now the top Democratic strategist in the nation where's the quantum leap project when you need it cspam could leap into chuck schumer
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Jan 23, 2018 17:37
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Joementum posted:i get why the DCCC and DSCC is so heavily recruiting vets, but it's gonna create an interesting situation in congress in a decade thankfully the Democrats won’t exist in a decade from now
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Jan 23, 2018 17:40
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Jazerus posted:where's the quantum leap project when you need it All of us at once? That sounds like it'd end badly, if hilariously, and certainly drunkenly.
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Jan 23, 2018 17:41
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I'm dumb about politics. Can someone explain to me how getting the opposition to NOT cut a program for children's health insurance (some basic human poo poo) that has existed for 20-30 years(?) is somehow a victory? Looking forward to the victory lap when Schumer expertly talks them down to ~500,000 deportations
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Jan 23, 2018 17:41
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emdash posted:you can be sure that a percentage of people who got "radicalized" (kinda) by Bernie are going to be disillusioned when he does something wrong, falls from grace, loses another primary, etc. There is definitely some love of the man, not the ideas, out there. Just hope it isn't a very large percentage If Bernie falters the fire that he has set will still burn on though at this point, I think. More and more people are realizing how hosed things are and are doing something about it.
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Inescapable Duck posted:All of us at once? That sounds like it'd end badly, if hilariously, and certainly drunkenly. wasn’t that the plot of being John malchovitch
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Jan 23, 2018 17:42
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did dr sam beckett ever leap, take one look in the mirror, and blow his brains out?
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Inescapable Duck posted:All of us at once? That sounds like it'd end badly, if hilariously, and certainly drunkenly. yeah we'll play with everybody is john rules, squizzle is the dm
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Jan 23, 2018 17:43
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Came across this in the wild. This isn't a common sentiment... right? Most Democrats don't think like this? because Jesus Christquote:naaah. Ultimately shutting down the gov't for illegal immigrants was not the hill to die on for the democrats. The base is pissed at them, but the optics were terrible for a lot of moderates in the middle america states. The fence sitters that the democrats need to take back red senate or house seats were getting pissed. The democrats made their point, but it wasnt really a great thing to go to war over. I really hope this isn't widespread because if it is then Dreamers are as good as gone.
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Jan 23, 2018 17:43
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Jan 23, 2018 17:44
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SKULL.GIF posted:Came across this in the wild. This isn't a common sentiment... right? Most Democrats don't think like this? because Jesus Christ most people don't know or care what a government shutdown means
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Jan 23, 2018 17:45
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Rastor posted:What was their alternative, take a principled stand for a cause they believe in? they did do this , thats what's so funny. the Dems don't care whatsoever about daca or dreamers and any talk about them is just hot air .
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Jan 23, 2018 17:45
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"dreamers don't vote and moderates do" is absolutely what Schmuck Schumer said at some point behind closed doors, I guaran-loving-tee it
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Jan 23, 2018 17:47
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Taintrunner posted:"dreamers don't vote and moderates do" is absolutely what Schmuck Schumer said at some point behind closed doors, I guaran-loving-tee it i hate him
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SKULL.GIF posted:Came across this in the wild. This isn't a common sentiment... right? Most Democrats don't think like this? because Jesus Christ why did you ever expect the Dreamers to survive a republican presidency, much less TRUMP
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Taintrunner posted:"dreamers don't vote and moderates do" is absolutely what Schmuck Schumer said at some point behind closed doors, I guaran-loving-tee it New purity test should be tossing his dumb rear end out
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Jan 23, 2018 17:49
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nobody will ever trust a dreamers-type project ever again, if there was even the opportunity for one, unless it was immediate full citizenship, which it should have been in the first place
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Jan 23, 2018 17:52
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Taintrunner posted:"dreamers don't vote and moderates do" is absolutely what Schmuck Schumer said at some point behind closed doors, I guaran-loving-tee it California Senator Dianne Feinstein voting against the CR despite her record on just about everything else is a great supporting pillar for this.
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Jan 23, 2018 18:02
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I'm absolutely livid at Loebsack, who held his seat here even as Iowa went for Trump by a larger margin than Texas after being an Obama state in 2008 and 2012. He voted to end the shutdown, and generally has voted with republicans on immigration poo poo in the last month or two. Iowa is white as poo poo but in the past we became the new home of a lot of refugees from conflicts the US played a role in - in different parts of the state you find active Bosnian, Hmong, Somali and Guatemalan communities. Here in Davenport we have a large Vietnamese population, I grew up with the children of refugees who were learning English in public school and speaking Vietnamese at home. I guess my point is immigration was nowhere near as controversial here in terms of our national politics until relatively recently, and now even the sole remaining Democrat representing the bluest parts of the state is voting like Steve King.
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SKULL.GIF posted:Came across this in the wild. This isn't a common sentiment... right? Most Democrats don't think like this? because Jesus Christ pragmatism, except very stupid any "moderate" that was getting "annoyed" by the democrats making out the republicans to be literal hitlers is someone who is not going to be "won back" because they think trump is unpresidental or whatever. a ruthless machiavellian would understand the value of eight hundred thousand martyrs that require basically zero actual sacrifice on your end to "defend" and make political hay over forever.
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Inescapable Duck posted:All of us at once? That sounds like it'd end badly, if hilariously, and certainly drunkenly. Blockchain, but for senators. It'd end badly, hilariously, drunkenly, and probably still have better results than bad dems.
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winning elections is not about wooing moderates, its about destroying the resolve and spirit of your opponents while ensuring your own supporters remain eternally dedicated. its essentially the same principles as total war.
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tower time posted:I'm absolutely livid at Loebsack, who held his seat here even as Iowa went for Trump by a larger margin than Texas after being an Obama state in 2008 and 2012. He voted to end the shutdown, and generally has voted with republicans on immigration poo poo in the last month or two. Iowa is white as poo poo but in the past we became the new home of a lot of refugees from conflicts the US played a role in - in different parts of the state you find active Bosnian, Hmong, Somali and Guatemalan communities. Here in Davenport we have a large Vietnamese population, I grew up with the children of refugees who were learning English in public school and speaking Vietnamese at home. I guess my point is immigration was nowhere near as controversial here in terms of our national politics until relatively recently, and now even the sole remaining Democrat representing the bluest parts of the state is voting like Steve King. at this point active malice from the bad dems is the only explanation it's genuinely impossible to believe that they are just that out of touch with their constituents. politicians in both parties tend to believe their constituents are 10-15% more conservative than they really are, but that explanation does not hold water on 80% popular, 70% popular issues
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it's funny because i like bernie's ideas but not him, really. he comes across as grouchy and grumpy and not all that pleasant. but it doesn't matter whether i "like" him or not.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:four americans die an embassy and the republicans get that poo poo on the radar of the media from 2012 to 2016, democrats can't even get the plight of millions of uninsured kids a mote of goddamn attention. the right will be able to purge the dreamers and the democrats still won't have a single message beyond excuses. It's weird because the oligarchy is actually in favor of looser immigration laws and there are plenty of GOP politicians who aren't immigration hardliners. Conspiracy theorists often bring up the idea of controlled opposition but I can't figure who they are being controlled by. It isn't the usual case of the paymasters squashing unfavorable policies and the Democratic base is totally against it. That just leaves naked incompetence but I think dem leaders are actually skilled politicians even though I am to the left of them ideologically.
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Tiler Kiwi posted:winning elections is not about wooing moderates, its about destroying the resolve and spirit of your ... own supporters
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it's funny because i like bernie's ideas but not him, really. he comes across as grouchy and grumpy and not all that pleasant. but it doesn't matter whether i "like" him or not. can someone clone jezza please
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:it's funny because i like bernie's ideas but not him, really. he comes across as grouchy and grumpy and not all that pleasant. but it doesn't matter whether i "like" him or not. the fact that he is grouchy and grumpy is one of the things i like about him.
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