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Uranium 235
Oct 12, 2004

gary oldmans diary posted:

the tweet was made at 6:59 pointing to something that either occurred or finalized or was verified at 7:09 so dont put your trust in timestamp ordering and odds are the twitterbot wasnt intended to be up-to-the-second (although since i trust the time it takes to process a tweet is rather short i would say the tether was printed at some undetermined time before 6:59)
i'm going off the time here http://omnichest.info/lookuptx.aspx?txid=e4062783d935886392c29396d15aab470fff9732b0b8e80ad56573adcbea79c4

edit: not sure why the tweet timestamp is earlier than the transaction time :tinfoil:

Uranium 235 fucked around with this message at 19:12 on Jan 23, 2018

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Inept
Jul 8, 2003

ChumpsForChange posted:

This guy posts in my colleges buy and sell page trying to get people to buy his old bitcoin rigs and sell the game codes in his card boxes for like $50

Searching their lovely hashtag on twitter is fun

quote:

Dear #bitcoincouple, I hope either one of you is cheating and the other finds out and your entire marriage fails, and as a result, you sell off your GPUs at a super discounted price so that I can buy one off you and play video games.

Thanks,

Den

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

Uranium 235 posted:

i'm going off the time here http://omnichest.info/lookuptx.aspx?txid=e4062783d935886392c29396d15aab470fff9732b0b8e80ad56573adcbea79c4

edit: not sure why the tweet timestamp is earlier than the transaction time :tinfoil:
i know. im saying that time listed is not useful and likely late for any of our intents and purposes. its not precognition so the timestamp on the tether transaction is likely from the latest status update the tracker uses whatever that may be

There Bias Two
Jan 13, 2009
I'm not a good person

EorayMel posted:

There was a twilight zone episode about this.

Some bank robbers steal a giant sack of gold from a bank and hide in the desert. They use a magic preservation chamber to sleep 100 years but not age so the heist will be forgotten from people's memories, so they can then walk back into town and sell the gold they stole scot-free.

However, they slowly turn on one another to have ALL the gold to themselves, and it culminates on the last guy dying in the desert upon finding out 100 years in the future people can already make gold easily, so their bars are worthless.

I forget the name but it was really good and that's the gist of it.


VVVV thank you, that's the name of it! The twilight zone was loving awesome, also need to watch the car salesman with the cursed car that tells everybody the truth, The Whole Truth :q:

Wouldn't it make more sense to monetize the magic chamber you discovered and become world famous explorers?

gary oldmans diary
Sep 26, 2005

There Bias Two posted:

Wouldn't it make more sense to monetize the magic chamber you discovered and become world famous explorers?
ill answer this when im done selling all these asics. hey buy these asics and make huge profits mining bitcoin

Moxxis Endowment
Dec 11, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo
The thing about Bitcoin that is so hard for goons to wrap their heads around is the implication that there are so many people smarter than themselves that the price has been driven all the way to 10k.

It's a major ego blow, a humbling experience that many goons are simply too stunted to handle. So they lash out at Bitcoin and everyone who endorses it.

And no matter how valuable it becomes this pathetic behavior will persist until they inevitably capitulate and buy in.

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




sometimes I regret not buying in when it was cheap but I also know I would have cashed out ages ago before it really took off so I doubt I really missed out on much

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

Moxxis Endowment posted:

The thing about Bitcoin that is so hard for goons to wrap their heads around is the implication that there are so many people smarter than themselves that the price has been driven all the way to 10k.

It's a major ego blow, a humbling experience that many goons are simply too stunted to handle. So they lash out at Bitcoin and everyone who endorses it.

And no matter how valuable it becomes this pathetic behavior will persist until they inevitably capitulate and buy in.

The first part is factually correct. The people running the exchanges' internal bot scams and the tether printer are pretty smart and will make millions. They're the ones who got bitcoin to 10K. But we're talking only about a dozen or so people here. Madoff is a smart dude too.

Buying bitcoins / joining any type of ponzi as an investor however is super dumb.

Communist Q
Jul 13, 2009

Meet Giancarlo Devasini, co-founder of Bitfinex and CFO.



Started off his career pirating microsoft products, and now he's scamming nerds with monopoly money pegged to the USD. :allears:

quote:


IT PIRATES: MICROSOFT AT CONTRACTACCO

Milan, 3rd December 1996(Adnkronos) - In a significant increase in the fight against software counterfeiting, Microsoft Corporation today announced the settlement of a dispute with Point G Srl of Milan and its owner, who admitted to have sold a thousand copies of Microsoft software original. This is the sixth composition of the dispute over more than forty actions taken by Microsoft against the members of a network of production and distribution of pirated software - discovered a year ago by the Guardia di Finanza - and the merchants who purchased from that network.

Giancarlo Devasini, 32, owner of Pont G Srl of Milan, will pay Microsoft the sum of one hundred million, will deliver invoices and other accounting records and will provide his collaboration in any legal actions against other dealers, discovered to sell counterfeit or pirated Microsoft products. Devasini has also pledged to Microsoft to take all necessary precautions in its exercise to prevent future sales of counterfeit software. Previously, the owner of Point G Srl had already defined the criminal proceedings with a plea bargain.

The dispute between Microsoft and Point G Srl and its owner is the result of a survey conducted a year ago by the Guardia di Finanza which, with the help of electronic controls, has investigated in depth the production and distribution network of falsified Microsoft programs, as illustrated by the Guardia di Finanza during a press conference held on September 26, 1995. The investigation has led to a series of raids throughout Italy and the seizure of over 25 thousand counterfeit floppies of the OEM version of Microsoft products that was followed by the complaint for infringement of copyright and trademark rights against more than 40 people . Most of these disputes are still being resolved.

Communist Q fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Jan 23, 2018

orange sky
May 7, 2007

Moxxis Endowment posted:

The thing about Bitcoin that is so hard for goons to wrap their heads around is the implication that there are so many people smarter than themselves that the price has been driven all the way to 10k.

It's a major ego blow, a humbling experience that many goons are simply too stunted to handle. So they lash out at Bitcoin and everyone who endorses it.

And no matter how valuable it becomes this pathetic behavior will persist until they inevitably capitulate and buy in.

I think you're quite right but the other way around

Bitcoin believers can't deal with the blow to their ego that would come from:

- Realizing poo poo needs to be regulated, libertarian economy is as utopic as communism;
- Realizing there's a loooot of people that have been doing this for a living and know every scam under the sun, and can effectively use them with complete anonimity using bitcoin;
- The blockchain, while promising as a technology, isn't suited for currency use, where there's millions of transactions each second. It's not scalable enough.

I understand that the first instinct and response to Bitcoin would be "oh, that sounds cool, let me buy some" but when you've been faced with thousands of facts that make it virtually useless and worthless it's purely through pride that you say "no, that's not true".

Moxxis Endowment
Dec 11, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Rad Russian posted:

Buying bitcoins / joining any type of ponzi as an investor however is super dumb.
As an early investor with 25k realized gains and 220k unrealized gains I must disagree.

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Giancarlo Devasini, 32, owner of Pont G Srl of Milan, will pay Microsoft the sum of one hundred million...

Wow! Tethers?

Communist Q
Jul 13, 2009

Nah, my guess is Italian lira since it was 1996. It's an old article and not fully complete. I just thought it was interesting to see who's heading up the tether pumps. Added the year to my post. The link was to an archive, but didn't list it. My b.

orange sky
May 7, 2007

God loving damnit a ponzi scheme isn't suddenly good because you made money off of it

How loving hard is it to get this

PONZI SCHEMES ARE BAD.

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

Moxxis Endowment posted:

As an early investor with 25k realized gains and 220k unrealized gains I must disagree.

Why? As in any ponzi, some people besides just the people running it will make money. However you don't know when the ponzi will crash so it's equivalent to gambling. That's like saying playing roulette is smart because I made 200K at the casino last night.

That's not even taking into account that you can actually risk and gamble, win money, and then not be able to cash out because you lose your wallet password, get hacked, send money to wrong address, and a load of other stupid bitcoin scenarios.

Besides, I don't think any goons in this thread make fun of people who go into bitcoin knowing it's a ponzi and with intention to scam other people or luck out/gamble. We're here to make fun of various stupid ways these ponzis operate and also laugh at people who are here declaring that this ponzi is the currency of the future.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 20:48 on Jan 23, 2018

Moxxis Endowment
Dec 11, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo
Calling Bitcoin a ponzi reveals a willful ignorance to understand what we're dealing with here. It doesn't help your argument and only serves to make you look childish in the eyes of anyone who understands the technology.

Inept
Jul 8, 2003

Moxxis Endowment posted:

As an early investor with 25k realized gains and 220k unrealized gains I must disagree.

comfy fleece sweater is better at this

Burt Sexual
Jan 26, 2006

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
Switchblade Switcharoo

Moxxis Endowment posted:

Calling Bitcoin a ponzi reveals a willful ignorance to understand what we're dealing with here. It doesn't help your argument and only serves to make you look childish in the eyes of anyone who understands the technology.

can I have a loan?

U-DO Burger
Nov 12, 2007




lol

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

Moxxis Endowment posted:

Calling Bitcoin a ponzi reveals a willful ignorance to understand what we're dealing with here. It doesn't help your argument and only serves to make you look childish in the eyes of anyone who understands the technology.

I understand the technology extremely well. Much better than any pro bitcoiner that has posted in this thread, so far at least. So do a lot of other goons here that also help explain how blockchain operates and how tether is used to pump fake money across multiple exchanges.

Rad Russian fucked around with this message at 20:54 on Jan 23, 2018

orange sky
May 7, 2007

People are printing fake currency with no regulation to prop up another unregulated fake currency.

It's a scam. This has happened before in history, and will happen again.

You also never addressed the power consumption bitcoin requires to function, nor the transaction speed limit

Eh, idgaf, you're probably a troll

teardrop
Dec 20, 2004

by Pragmatica
Bitcoin is awful because it’s literally a currency that someone created backed by nothing. There’s nothing making it intrinsically more valid than a copy-paste named Bitcoin 2.

Is blockchain an actually useful distributed database, like a million people chipping in some HD space to form their own cloud storage?

Or is blockchain just a massively redundant database that is copied a million times over?

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

Rad Russian posted:

Besides, I don't think any goons in this thread make fun of people who go into bitcoin knowing it's a ponzi and with intention to scam other people or luck out/gamble.

That’s why I’m here, don’t speak for me. Bit-coin isn’t real.

Moxxis Endowment
Dec 11, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Rad Russian posted:

I understand the technology extremely well. Much better than any pro bitcoiner that has posted in this thread, so far at least. So do a lot of other goons here that also help explain how blockchain operates and how tether is used to pump fake money across multiple exchanges.
*Watches as Rad Russian quietly moves the goalposts from "Bitcoin is a ponzi" to "tether is the only thing keeping Bitcoin from dying"*

orange sky
May 7, 2007

teardrop posted:

Bitcoin is awful because it’s literally a currency that someone created backed by nothing. There’s nothing making it intrinsically more valid than a copy-paste named Bitcoin 2.

Is blockchain an actually useful distributed database, like a million people chipping in some HD space to form their own cloud storage?

Or is blockchain just a massively redundant database that is copied a million times over?

I assume there's use cases where integrity matters like a billion times more than speed and efficiency

Currency isn't it, though, imho

Bip Roberts
Mar 29, 2005
I really wish I was one of the Bernie Madoff investors that made like 15% yearly roi and then got out.

orange sky
May 7, 2007

Moxxis Endowment posted:

*Watches as Rad Russian quietly moves the goalposts from "Bitcoin is a ponzi" to "tether is the only thing keeping Bitcoin from dying"*

Oh we're going full pedantic now

I guess you're right, its actually not a Ponzi at all, because there's no new money coming in

It's all imaginary

EAT FASTER!!!!!!
Sep 21, 2002

Legendary.


:hampants::hampants::hampants:
1) Bitcoin isn't a Ponzi but
2) it's a speculative asset bubble and
3) Tether is the only thing keeping Bitcoin from dying

ryde
Sep 9, 2011

God I love young girls
I actually find I understand the technology better than cryptocurrency supporters. More often than not I have to correct them on how their technology actually works and what is feasible using it.

But I also work in software development and have utilized distributed logging systems before, so I don't tend to poo poo my pants over replicating transaction info.

literally a hog
Jan 5, 2006

Mandarrrrrk! Bring me the head of Dexter and Dee Dee shall forever be yours!

Reminds me of the CTO of Nicehash, which was the cool Goon Approved mining pool until $70 million of theirs got "hacked".

https://krebsonsecurity.com/2017/12/former-botmaster-darkode-founder-is-cto-of-hacked-bitcoin-mining-firm-nicehash/

Ran a botnet for years and was sent to prison for 4 years in 2013.

Of course this didnt come out til after the security breach lol

Andy Dufresne
Aug 4, 2010

The only good race pace is suicide pace, and today looks like a good day to die
Ponzi vs. not ponzi is a distinction without a meaning. The algorithm creates 20 million USD equivalent per day right now; the only way the price can be maintained is with a fresh daily supply of 20 million USD worth of suckers' money.

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry

teardrop posted:

Is blockchain an actually useful distributed database, like a million people chipping in some HD space to form their own cloud storage?

Or is blockchain just a massively redundant database that is copied a million times over?

Door two. It's not distributed. It's replicated.

Replication is good for one-writer-many-readers. That's why it's used by Akamai and similar content delivery networks to allow many people to read a static/mostly static web-page. It sucks if anybody wants to write to it.

E: replication is used by Akamai, not bitcoin or blockchain. Replication is from, what, the 70s?

klafbang fucked around with this message at 21:01 on Jan 23, 2018

Painful Dart Bomb
May 23, 2012

And he was talking 'fore I knew it, and as he grew he'd say "I'm gonna be like you, dad" "You know I'm gonna be like you".

IMO this is a dumb plan. He could have made more money freezing rich dweebs who want to see the future. Sort of like in Looper how they discovered time travel and all they used it for was dumping bodies jfc.

Rad Russian
Aug 15, 2007

Soviet Power Supreme!

Moxxis Endowment posted:

*Watches as Rad Russian quietly moves the goalposts from "Bitcoin is a ponzi" to "tether is the only thing keeping Bitcoin from dying"*

I'm just mad I haven't yet invented a way to trade tether for Star Citizen jpegs. I would make millions through a new ponzi vertical integration business plan.

the holy poopacy
May 16, 2009

hey! check this out
Fun Shoe

Andy Dufresne posted:

Ponzi vs. not ponzi is a distinction without a meaning. The algorithm creates 20 million USD equivalent per day right now; the only way the price can be maintained is with a fresh daily supply of 20 million USD worth of suckers' money.

yeah, it's purely a transfer of wealth from later investors to early investors, with the only expectation of returns coming from the prospect of even later investors coming in and adding their money to the pool. it's not a pyramid or ponzi by design but it is by function.

Moxxis Endowment
Dec 11, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k4FNmp3mKp4

blugu64
Jul 17, 2006

Do you realize that fluoridation is the most monstrously conceived and dangerous communist plot we have ever had to face?

literally a hog posted:

Reminds me of the CTO of Nicehash, which was the cool Goon Approved mining pool until $70 million of theirs got "hacked".

They should be thanking him for teaching them an important lesson about leaving money with your pool operators.

klafbang
Nov 18, 2009
Clapping Larry
Isn't it a bit pointless to classify bitcoin or blockchain as a ponzi? There's so many different scams all intertwined in the entire ecosystem it's hard to point to any corner and say "that's a ponzi" or "that's a wash trade." It's all a bit of everything, and once it all comes down, investment in the lolchain will pay off great dividends.

Moxxis Endowment
Dec 11, 2017

by Nyc_Tattoo

Straight White Shark posted:

it's not a pyramid or ponzi by design but it is by function.
A Ponzi scheme (/ˈpɒn.zi/; also a Ponzi game) is a fraudulent investment operation where the operator generates returns for older investors through revenue paid by new investors, rather than from legitimate business activities or profit of financial trading.

Since there is no fraud perpetrated in Bitcoin, it does not qualify as a ponzi scheme.

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ephex
Nov 4, 2007





PHWOAR CRIMINAL
look how smart i am, i won the lottery bitch!

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