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ryonguy posted:Ever heard of planned obsolescence? There's a reason things have $50 worth of buttons and IoT connectivity and not $5 worth of more durable parts. No, that's more of the "if I put $50 of useless garbage on this garbage can, I can charge $500 more over a normal garbage can".
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fishmech posted:No, that's more of the "if I put $50 of useless garbage on this garbage can, I can charge $500 more over a normal garbage can". Hey I know your thing is "my post must be contrarian at all cost" but that wasn't the point I was making. Like, at all.
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Dylan16807 posted:If rail required two people to sit in each car, they definitely would have automated it. One guy up front is a much smaller cost and they can also cheap out on signalling infrastructure improvements. Which they don't because we have the premier rail freight network in the world. Nobody does it better. /derail. DrNutt posted:I saw an Amazon ad for a neat leaking keyboard on Facebook the other day, it looked like some nifty retro future thing, almost like old typewriter keys, and I was like, neat, I'll check it out. I clicked the link and the motherfucking thing was 1000 dollars. Who spends 1000 dollars on a keyboard? I'm ashamed to say that if you take my home rig into account and now the fact that I outfitted both my office computers with mechanicals...I have spent over 1000 bucks on keyboards. 
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TyroneGoldstein posted:Which they don't because we have the premier rail freight network in the world. Nobody does it better. You are probably terrible but I take solace in the fact that you did not spend 1000 dollars on a single keyboard. I have a overpriced logitech gaming series mechanical that I love but it was a Christmas gift from my dad from years ago and I shudder at the thought of ever having to replace it with anything comparable myself.
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Let me introduce you into the world of mechanical keyboards, where if you don't have a loudass keyboard then you are scum Also they cost tons of money. Makes no sense to me as I like shitposting quietly without my neighbours hearing
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Jan 23, 2018 19:38
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Someone brought a mechanical keyboard into a workplace I used to a work at. gently caress that guy
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Rated PG-34 posted:Someone brought a mechanical keyboard into a workplace I used to a work at. gently caress that guy Actually, that guy is a goon hero.
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Magius1337est posted:A good video on how only middle income malls are dying and upscale malls are thriving Do upscale malls have a problem with less affluent people congregating there making it less attractive for the premium shopper? Is there any data of mall management companies supporting an accessible mall to draw economy minded people away from the upscale malls towards stores more in line with their budget?
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Magius1337est posted:A good video on how only middle income malls are dying and upscale malls are thriving Malls are only going in this direction because Amazon hasn't figured out how to do it yet, but they are getting closer. As far as mechanical keyboards, they're a waste of money and generally horrible to actually type on, and not because of the noise.
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Rated PG-34 posted:Someone brought a mechanical keyboard into a workplace I used to a work at. gently caress that guy Even odds on him being the guy who keeps burning popcorn and microwaving fish, too.
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dont even fink about it posted:Malls are only going in this direction because Amazon hasn't figured out how to do it yet, but they are getting closer. Look at this bad opinion haver. Model Ms are good to type on, as are some (but not all) of the cherry style switches. Topre are nice but way overpriced.
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DrNutt posted:I saw an Amazon ad for a neat leaking keyboard on Facebook the other day, it looked like some nifty retro future thing, almost like old typewriter keys, and I was like, neat, I'll check it out. I clicked the link and the motherfucking thing was 1000 dollars. Who spends 1000 dollars on a keyboard? Companies either go for cheap consumer grade trash or luxury. There doesn't seem to be a space for "quality made products". Everything has to be cheap as gently caress or overly expensive.
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Xae posted:Companies either go for cheap consumer grade trash or luxury. Or quality made but used. I pick up a lot of furniture and housewares secondhand. There's a reason goodwill/salvo/et al are getting too expensive for the people they ostensibly service.
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ryonguy posted:Hey I know your thing is "my post must be contrarian at all cost" but that wasn't the point I was making. Like, at all. Yes, I understood that you were making an incorrect point. That is why I posted the real reason things are happening. Shrieking about "planned obsolescence" is the refuge of the ignorant. Just look at how, say, Apple had to go back and update their old phones just to gently caress with them to try to make people upgrade - they clearly hadn't planned it properly. Or rather, there's not really a way to do it usually. It's very hard to engineer something to break in 2 years that won't make it break a ton more than it does now the first two weeks the customer have it.
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fishmech posted:It's very hard to engineer something to break in 2 years that won't make it break a ton more than it does now the first two weeks the customer have it. True, but it's quite easy to engineer something for which patches, updates and technical support will be discontinued when it's still perfectly functional in order to make people buy The Next Big Thing™, if only out of frustration. Much more than two years, but Microsoft is doing everything short of holding a dagger to my throat to get me to upgrade to Windows 10 when I'm still very happy with 7. I don't expect them to support Win7 forever, but I'd rather that they not choke me until I
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Software / OS is a little different from hardware because physical hardware can last -- a washing machine is a washing machine, a LED light bulb should last practically forever -- but an OS is going to need constant updating regardless just for security reasons.
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JustJeff88 posted:True, but it's quite easy to engineer something for which patches, updates and technical support will be discontinued when it's still perfectly functional in order to make people buy The Next Big Thing™, if only out of frustration. Much more than two years, but Microsoft is doing everything short of holding a dagger to my throat to get me to upgrade to Windows 10 when I'm still very happy with 7. I don't expect them to support Win7 forever, but I'd rather that they not choke me until I Windows 7 is nearly a decade old and will still be supported for 2 more years and they gave away Windows 10 for free. What more do you want man?
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Toys R Us closing another 180 stores in the US http://www.businessinsider.com/r-toys-r-us-says-to-shut-about-180-us-stores-2018-1
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dont even fink about it posted:Malls are only going in this direction because Amazon hasn't figured out how to do it yet, but they are getting closer.
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Halloween Jack posted:This drive toward everything being a boutique experience for the privileged few is happening almost everywhere, isn't it?
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JustJeff88 posted:True, but it's quite easy to engineer something for which patches, updates and technical support will be discontinued when it's still perfectly functional in order to make people buy The Next Big Thing™, if only out of frustration. Much more than two years, but Microsoft is doing everything short of holding a dagger to my throat to get me to upgrade to Windows 10 when I'm still very happy with 7. I don't expect them to support Win7 forever, but I'd rather that they not choke me until I Windows 7 is fully supported on your computer and the upgrade offer you could do for free is still, unadvertised, running to this day. And on the day Windows 7 normal user support ends (not even business support really, because business can contract for patches as long as they want if they're willing to pay) it'll be almost exactly 10 and a half years since it had been released. If you wanted and had some cool stack of cash to toss around on it, you could walk up to Microsoft and demand a complete set of patches for like Windows 95, and they would put at your disposal any patches they'd been contracted to do with the companies who wanted it in the patch. But at some point there's just not things to be patched anymore because the world's moved on. Hieronymous Alloy posted:Software / OS is a little different from hardware because physical hardware can last -- a washing machine is a washing machine, a LED light bulb should last practically forever -- but an OS is going to need constant updating regardless just for security reasons. Remember when we all used to need to change lightbulbs multiple times a year? Glad that's over with.
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fishmech posted:Remember when we all used to need to change lightbulbs multiple times a year? Glad that's over with. LED lights are a godsend.
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fishmech posted:Yes, I understood that you were making an incorrect point. That is why I posted the real reason things are happening. you could be Apple and start throttling the hell out of performance before you tell the consumer about it
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fishmech posted:Windows 7 is fully supported on your computer and the upgrade offer you could do for free is still, unadvertised, running to this day. And on the day Windows 7 normal user support ends (not even business support really, because business can contract for patches as long as they want if they're willing to pay) it'll be almost exactly 10 and a half years since it had been released.
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exploded mummy posted:you could be Apple and start throttling the hell out of performance before you tell the consumer about it This is so stupid. They were taking measures to prolong the effective life of the device, not trying to motivate people to upgrade by slowing down the phone. They obviously would have been better to be transparent about what they were doing to avoid the appearance of anything dodgy, but I don't think they actually did anything wrong. I'd rather a slow phone than one that can handle approximately 30 seconds of being in my pocket in winter, or one that has twenty minutes of battery life on a full charge like one of my old Android devices did toward the end of its life -- that phone got replaced as soon as practicable, so obviously if Apple wanted to motivate upgrades, they'd just let phones operate at full power until they're all but unusable.
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PT6A posted:I'd rather a slow phone than one that can handle approximately 30 seconds of being in my pocket in winter, or one that has twenty minutes of battery life on a full charge like one of my old Android devices did toward the end of its life -- that phone got replaced as soon as practicable, so obviously if Apple wanted to motivate upgrades, they'd just let phones operate at full power until they're all but unusable. I'd rather have a world where phones have replaceable batteries if they are going to die after 2 years. And no, I shouldn't have to take it to an official apple store to replace a battery in a phone. This was figured out decades ago, at this point they just use "but people want thinner/lighter devices!" as an excuse to pursue anti-consumer "features" like not being able to add ram to a laptop.
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Asimo posted:It's almost like wealth is being rapidly stolen by the upper classes or something.
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fishmech posted:Yes, I understood that you were making an incorrect point. That is why I posted the real reason things are happening. It doesn't mean "engineer" it to break like a mustache twirling villain huddled over a CAD terminal wringing his hands and chortling as he purposefully inserts fracture points into components, it means use substandard materials and parts that will break easier and also be cheaper, which is the point I was making that you missed because, again, contrarian jackass. there wolf posted:
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self unaware posted:I'd rather have a world where phones have replaceable batteries if they are going to die after 2 years. And no, I shouldn't have to take it to an official apple store to replace a battery in a phone. This was figured out decades ago, at this point they just use "but people want thinner/lighter devices!" as an excuse to pursue anti-consumer "features" like not being able to add ram to a laptop. You can do all those things yourself, they just aren't particularly easy. And, yes, frankly more people want thinner and lighter devices than the ability to easily work on their devices themselves. If you don't like it, don't buy one of those devices, but don't blame companies for following what the market wants.
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FCKGW posted:Toys R Us closing another 180 stores in the US Walked past one of the UKs flagship toys r us today. Sale signs everywhere, no customers because the British are really funny about warranties (30 days automatic by law). RIP.
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PT6A posted:You can do all those things yourself, they just aren't particularly easy. The point is that "thinner, lighter" does not have to be mutually exclusive with "easy to swap battery out" but they'd rather sell someone the new iPhone than let them buy a replacement battery and have their old one keep on trucking.
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exploded mummy posted:you could be Apple and start throttling the hell out of performance before you tell the consumer about it That's kind of the opposite of planned obsolescence. They built the product so that it needed outside intervention to damage the experience to try to drive battery replacements and full phone upgrades. They needed to patch obsolescence in later, unplanned. ryonguy posted:It doesn't mean "engineer" it to break like a mustache twirling villain huddled over a CAD terminal wringing his hands and chortling as he purposefully inserts fracture points into components, it means use substandard materials and parts that will break easier and also be cheaper, which is the point I was making that you missed because, again, contrarian jackass. And they don't do this, brain genius. Because if you use the substandard parts the thing actually breaks way too quickly. You add the bluetooth bullshit that 90% of your customers will never figure out because you can charge the cost of that times 5 as the extra price over a comparable product, not to "make the parts break easier". If you're so invested in conspiracy theories why don't you just start telling us about how the earth is flat, it would make slightly more sense.
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self unaware posted:This was figured out decades ago, at this point they just use "but people want thinner/lighter devices!" as an excuse to pursue anti-consumer "features" like not being able to add ram to a laptop.
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PT6A posted:You can do all those things yourself, they just aren't particularly easy. Oh, don't worry, I don't buy their poo poo devices. But if you don't think forcing customers to use the apple store to service their devices wasn't a business decision designed to drive revenue I've got some waterfront real estate to sell you.
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self unaware posted:Oh, don't worry, I don't buy their poo poo devices. But if you don't think forcing customers to use the apple store to service their devices wasn't a business decision designed to drive revenue I've got some waterfront real estate to sell you. They aren't "forcing" this. You can work on them yourself, you can take them to an apple store, you can take them to an authorized tech, or you can take them to an unauthorized tech. What the hell are you even talking about?
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PT6A posted:They aren't "forcing" this. You can work on them yourself, you can take them to an apple store, you can take them to an authorized tech, or you can take them to an unauthorized tech. I'm talking about Apple trying to drive revenue in their apple stores by making repairs as difficult as possible and doing things like soldering ram to the motherboards of of their laptops Like, you're right, most people don't care and thusly will gladly purchase these devices not understanding that repair costs go way up as a result of the design decisions they've made. It's still lovely.
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