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Spoeank posted:Good historical learning involves a healthy amount of criticism of texts and motivations behind authorship. The unfortunate part is that we have to feed so much bullshit to kids to explain what happened in the thousands of years before their snot-nosed faces ended up on this planet to give them a base for historical criticism. I get you, and I'm not really disagreeing with you, but more as a tangent, I can't help but think our current education system, at least on the grade school level, is one of the main impetuses for the resurgence of ethnonationalism among the youth. People are wising up that America is funded on genocide, but the history books teach so much American exceptionalism and have so little arguments for why Bad Countries Prosper Too that it just leads to young people thinking, "Well, fascism only failed in Germany because Europeans don't know how to do things right." When history books gloss over the indigenous people kicking the Viking's rear end out of Canada or Japan kicking Russia's rear end, it creates this huge superiority complex. The only real "misstep" that our history books dare enunciate is the Vietnam War, which just happens to coincide with the Civil Rights march, creating this connection in these kids minds that, "Ah, our wars only started being stupid when we started pussifying domestically." I mean, it's a dumb conclusion to make, but our history books just enable it when they make points that it was World War II that got us out the Great Depression, not the New Deal, that World War II was the good war, that we do nothing wrong. Basically, as a social studies nerd in school, I always kinda understood the field was getting short shrift compared to reading/STEM, and a lot of my education even in middle school had to come from reading books, and it's just really frustrating in hindsight, especially in light of the current tumult we're facing.
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seiferguy posted:I find that kids are pretty receptive to new ideas. I remember getting in an argument with a former college classmate over trans people using different locker rooms at the YMCA. Her assumption was that they obviously were going to go in there and either molest kids, or take photos or do whatever shady business she thinks that trans people are trying to do. Then I told her if you just explain to your kid that they feel uncomfortable with the body that there and the kid would probably understand better than you would. Then she straight up told me "I don't want to have that conversation with my kid." I just got triggered cuz it was my Y where all that uproar in WA started at.
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My children will always know the truth about god, Santa, Christopher Columbus and the police.
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Jan 24, 2018 17:44
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FizFashizzle posted:My children will always know the truth about god, Santa, Christopher Columbus and the police. Did you see my reply with the links to a cool lunch box/meal prep containers?
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FizFashizzle posted:My children will always know the truth about god, Santa, Christopher Columbus and the police. I wasn't allowed to believe in Santa as a kid and boy did it suck to get the talk every year around Christmas about how all the other kids believed in Santa and it was rude to tell them he didn't exist. I let my kid believe in Santa because he's pumped about it and it's harmless.
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Jan 24, 2018 17:47
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Thinking of that college gop thing, I am reminded of my other favorite story the time Jay Bundy ran for student president Dude was the president of Norml and used to go around school with a WWE title belt at all times some choice moments from his campaign quote:The antics began during the opening statements when Bundy's vice presidential candidate Chris Brink removed his jacket, revealing a tattered dress shirt with missing sleeves. quote:"If the students are stupid enough to vote for someone so inappropriate and retarded as I am, then they deserve a president who is going to give the worst performance to the best of his ability," he said, adding that he wants the "lowest approval rating in history." quote:He said Stathes will run the show and had a message for Stathes.
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:This is normal and not at all weird Chick Fil A's by me has these as well and has a horse and carriage for rides around the parking lot! This and those promise balls or whatever they're called are really loving creepy.
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Jan 24, 2018 17:53
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:This is normal and not at all weird Father-daughter school dances are really common for kids. Calling it that and having it hosted by the Predators is pretty lol though.
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Jan 24, 2018 17:54
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JIZZ DENOUEMENT posted:This is normal and not at all weird Trump's ears suddenly perk up
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Jan 24, 2018 17:59
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What are those things, promise balls, where dads take their daughters to a dance and they pledge not to gently caress nobody till marriage
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Jan 24, 2018 17:59
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What are those things, promise balls, where dads take their daughters to a dance and they pledge not to gently caress nobody till marriage Unless it's good ol' boy Roy Moore, he asked for permission from the daddies first, y'know. This poo poo is always the final frontier when it comes to me understanding rural culture.
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Mel Mudkiper posted:What are those things, promise balls, where dads take their daughters to a dance and they pledge not to gently caress nobody till marriage Purity Balls. The Dollop has an episode on them.
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Cash Monet posted:Purity Balls. The Dollop has an episode on them. Weird, Purity Balls was my high school nickname
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Jan 24, 2018 18:03
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Kalli posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3754419&pagenumber=1708&perpage=40#post480610577 I really go feel like SA has maintained quality posters over the years moreso than any other forum on the internet
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Jan 24, 2018 18:04
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In grade school / middle school, did your schools not run father-daughter balls? Am I the crazy one here?
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Jan 24, 2018 18:05
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Jan 24, 2018 18:07
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Jan 24, 2018 18:07
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I don't remember having those types of dances at all but I grew up in a pretty liberal city where everyone probably thinks that poo poo is gross, so maybe it just depends on the location?
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C-Euro posted:I don't remember having those at all but I grew up in a pretty liberal city where everyone probably thinks that poo poo is gross, so maybe it just depends on the location? You can find them at almost any Adam and Eve or novelty sex shop Edit: oh you fixed it
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Its Rinaldo posted:I just got triggered cuz it was my Y where all that uproar in WA started at. Yeah, I remember one viral post about a guy saying "when my daughter and wife are in there, I'm gonna stand guard outside the locker room and beat the poo poo out of any transgender freak that's gonna creep on them!" Which is what she shared 
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Probably Magic posted:I get you, and I'm not really disagreeing with you, but more as a tangent, I can't help but think our current education system, at least on the grade school level, is one of the main impetuses for the resurgence of ethnonationalism among the youth. People are wising up that America is funded on genocide, but the history books teach so much American exceptionalism and have so little arguments for why Bad Countries Prosper Too that it just leads to young people thinking, "Well, fascism only failed in Germany because Europeans don't know how to do things right." When history books gloss over the indigenous people kicking the Viking's rear end out of Canada or Japan kicking Russia's rear end, it creates this huge superiority complex. The only real "misstep" that our history books dare enunciate is the Vietnam War, which just happens to coincide with the Civil Rights march, creating this connection in these kids minds that, "Ah, our wars only started being stupid when we started pussifying domestically." I mean, it's a dumb conclusion to make, but our history books just enable it when they make points that it was World War II that got us out the Great Depression, not the New Deal, that World War II was the good war, that we do nothing wrong. You're not wrong but you're conflating middle school and high school education with elementary school education. With history, they're completely different beasts because we can't trust children to have the requisite skills to not only comprehend what they read, but also think critically on a level needed for astute historical reflection. I used to have to sculpt museum curricula to state standards and they're all about learning the history of your area and space, which doesn't create a lot of inflection points for critical thinking. So poo poo gets wallpapered over.
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Oh and also kids are as dumb as a bag of rocks so there's that issue
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pubic works project posted:Did you see my reply with the links to a cool lunch box/meal prep containers? yeah thanks fam
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Spoeank posted:You're not wrong but you're conflating middle school and high school education with elementary school education. With history, they're completely different beasts because we can't trust children to have the requisite skills to not only comprehend what they read, but also think critically on a level needed for astute historical reflection. I typed middle when I actually meant elementary, but yeah, I get what you mean.
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The serial killer talk has me thinking who was directly responsible for the most deaths in history and it's gotta be the Enola Gay crew, right? 80,000 people instantly killed.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The serial killer talk has me thinking who was directly responsible for the most deaths in history and it's gotta be the Enola Gay crew, right? 80,000 people instantly killed. Ghengis Kahn depopulated western china and the steppe.
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i hated poor people from like age 14-18 because i got forced into volunteering at the library as a kid and they would all cheat at the summer reading game where you get one square on a gameboard thing. looking back probably everyone cheated and it was only obvious to me when the kids read 50 books in the span of 2 hours when they got dropped off at the library. so yeah don 't try and teach your kid social lessons until they are like 20
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FizFashizzle posted:Ghengis Kahn depopulated western china and the steppe. He also raped a ton. What a character.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The serial killer talk has me thinking who was directly responsible for the most deaths in history and it's gotta be the Enola Gay crew, right? 80,000 people instantly killed. I mean, you've already moved on from single person to a group, so the Armenian genocide, Hitler or the Soviet gulags already have them beat.
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FizFashizzle posted:Ghengis Kahn depopulated western china and the steppe. I'm not taking about leaders like Hitler or Ghengis Khan. I mean the dudes who actually pulled the trigger.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:The serial killer talk has me thinking who was directly responsible for the most deaths in history and it's gotta be the Enola Gay crew, right? 80,000 people instantly killed. I mean, the most deaths within a set frame of reference, or most deaths that can be traced back to an single act or decision or a single entity? E: beaten.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I'm not taking about leaders like Hitler or Ghengis Khan. I mean the dudes who actually pulled the trigger. Ghengis Khan loved killing dudes.
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Kalli posted:https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3754419&pagenumber=1708&perpage=40#post480610577 abigserve posted:Just to be clear
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Neil Armbong posted:I mean, you've already moved on from single person to a group, so the Armenian genocide, Hitler or the Soviet gulags already have them beat. Ok, then the Enola Gay bomber.
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For instance, this should be taught in schools.
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https://www.quora.com/I-missed-the-...unity-to-invest -- this is awesome. i love the internet echo chamber for crypto currencies.
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Jiminy Christmas! Shoes! posted:I'm not taking about leaders like Hitler or Ghengis Khan. I mean the dudes who actually pulled the trigger. I'm pretty sure the Mongols used to line people up in rows and just run down the line with swords cutting throats because lol how else to you execute a captured army so maybe it's closer than you think
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