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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PS6D8vQEzBA Unique ability: Scottish Enlightenment - Happy cities receive +5% science and +5% production. Happy cities generate +1 Great Scientist point per campus and +1 Great Engineer point per Industrial Zone. Ecstatic cities double these amounts. Leader ability: Bannockburn - Can declare a war of liberation after gaining the Defensive Tactics civic. +100% production and +2 movement for the first 10 turns after declaring a war of liberation. Highlander: Replaces the Ranger, combat bonus when fighting in hills and woods. There can be more than one. Golf course (  ): +1 amenity and some gold, culture if next to a city center and an entertainment district.Now begins your greatest quest: from this early gold course on towards the stars. Kassad fucked around with this message at 16:01 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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I'm getting kind of sick of leaders with bonuses for the first X turns of a specific kind of war. One or two is okay, but simply changing the type of war doesn't really change the play style or make the half-baked casus belli any better.
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Jan 24, 2018 16:04
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Especially for a war of liberation. You have to specifically lose a city which would likely only happen in competitive multiplayer or super high difficulty.
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Jan 24, 2018 16:08
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I'll agree to that, I thought it was powerful on Cyrus and flavorful if not exceedingly useful on John Curtain, powerful but stale on Chandragupta, underwhelming for Tamar and Robert the Bruce. They don't feel terribly unique or exciting. Scotland's other abilities are nice at least. More GPP when Happy certainly seems useful, that's a free +2 GPP Policy card in an Ecstatic city. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 16:13
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Hahahah, is this a joke? That has to be the worst civ I've ever seen, Jesus. E: In terms of execution, not power. +10% Science/Production and +2 GPP for the Greatest Persons per city is pretty sweet. really queer Christmas posted:Especially for a war of liberation. You have to specifically lose a city which would likely only happen in competitive multiplayer or super high difficulty. Liberation is for allies' cities. You're thinking of Reconquest. Zulily Zoetrope fucked around with this message at 16:16 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 16:14
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His agenda will be easy to fulfill at least: quote:Flower of Scotland - he does not like civs picking on his neighbours, will never do so himself, and will like you if you're not at war with them. From the PCGamesN text article on him.
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Jan 24, 2018 16:16
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Apparently (modern) golf actually has its origins in 15th century Scotland? Huh, I learned something today. Still, that is a really odd choice of UI. Also before I learned the above the only Scottish golf course I knew of was Donald Trump's, and the locals aren't exactly fond of it. The rest... Hm. UA and UU are okay, a civ that rewards you more for being happy is something that's been oddly absent up until now. Robert's ability, yeah, the "extra movement on war dec"/"bonus when using a specific CB" abilities are starting to get overused. With Cyrus it was cool, and with Chandragupta it was still neat because it was more powerful but more limited and easier to expect since you have to be fairly close. Now, though, while the idea of being a sort of liberator civ is kind of neat, it's beginning to feel a little old. ...Also, I just realized, a CB to be used against people who attack your allies is kind of, hm. I guess Scotland isn't going to want to make defensive pacts, because that means that, instead of using Robert's ability, they just enter the war when their ally is attacked, with no bonuses. (Which, I mean, I guess if your goal is to protect your ally rather than get nice things for yourself, would be better, but who wants that?) But yeah, I'm not quite feeling this one as much as the rest of R&F. It feels a bit... Unfocused, and not entirely flavorful. Maybe if I knew more about Scotland I'd like it more? I don't know, this one feels like a miss. Even if I do like the UA, at least. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 16:27 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 16:25
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:Liberation is for allies' cities. You're thinking of Reconquest. Whoops! My bad  Makes it marginally better then, still meh.
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Jan 24, 2018 16:27
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Roland Jones posted:...Also, I just realized, a CB to be used against people who attack your allies is kind of, hm. I guess Scotland isn't going to want to make defensive pacts, because that means that, instead of using Robert's ability, they just enter the war when their ally is attacked, with no bonuses. (Which, I mean, I guess if your goal is to protect your ally rather than get nice things for yourself, would be better, but who wants that?) Feels like they should've given Robert the Bruce earlier Defensive Pacts and some kind of ongoing benefit for him and each ally he declares a Defensive Pact with, maybe with a bonus if he's pulled into a war via Defensive Pact. That would've been more unique at least.
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Jan 24, 2018 16:28
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Magil Zeal posted:Feels like they should've given Robert the Bruce earlier Defensive Pacts and some kind of ongoing benefit for him and each ally he declares a Defensive Pact with, maybe with a bonus if he's pulled into a war via Defensive Pact. That would've been more unique at least. Yeah, something like that would have been better. Right now, Robert's actually not encouraged to be a good ally, because he gets nothing for keeping his friends from being overrun and proactively defending them. Instead, he's encouraged to be a glory hound who comes in to save the day after his ally was already hosed over. Roland Jones fucked around with this message at 16:48 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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Jan 24, 2018 16:45
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I think someone who lacks awareness of the Civ6 terms' meanings came up with Robert the Bruce's UA and everyone else was like, "Okay, great!" It'd fit in with the Civ6 team's general incompetence regarding how their own game works. (A better UA would probably give Scottish troops +5 strength during wars of reconquest or liberation for the duration of the war.)
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Jan 24, 2018 16:49
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Roland Jones posted:Also before I learned the above the only Scottish golf course I knew of was Donald Trump's, and the locals aren't exactly fond of it. Seriously? St Andrews! Smgdh. Golf courses should really provide a tourism boost when next to resorts or something.
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Jan 24, 2018 17:12
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HappyCamperGL posted:Seriously? St Andrews! Smgdh. Yeah I'm really surprised that golf courses don't contribute tourism after, say, the discovery of flight. They could've gone with distilleries which have to be made in marshlands and provide gold and/or amenities
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ManifunkDestiny posted:Yeah I'm really surprised that golf courses don't contribute tourism after, say, the discovery of flight. They could've gone with distilleries which have to be made in marshlands and provide gold and/or amenities All improvements that provide culture do generate tourism (equal to culture output) after Flight, even if they don't specifically say they do. So the Golf Course will, as long as it has at least a +1 culture bonus from a City Center or Entertainment district.
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Aerdan posted:I think someone who lacks awareness of the Civ6 terms' meanings came up with Robert the Bruce's UA and everyone else was like, "Okay, great!" His leaked agenda is that he likes his neighbors and hates on dudes attacking his neighbors. Which is funny because I'm pretty sure Robert the Bruce was not a fan of any nation that shared a border with Scotland.
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Zulily Zoetrope posted:His leaked agenda is that he likes his neighbors and hates on dudes attacking his neighbors. Which is funny because I'm pretty sure Robert the Bruce was not a fan of any nation that shared a border with Scotland. It's just bizzare. He loving invaded Ireland!! I mean apart from the England stuff. But whatever.
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Jan 24, 2018 19:20
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Magil Zeal posted:His agenda will be easy to fulfill at least: Hahaha. Yes, Scotland was well known for absolutely hating it when someone declared war on England, their one neighbour. Even if you count Ireland as a Neighbour too, we invaded them under Robert. Amazing.
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Jan 24, 2018 19:41
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Every week I keep hoping to finally get the Inca and every week am disappointed.
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Jan 24, 2018 19:42
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If anything, Scotland should love people who attack their neighbours and have some kind of raiding/pillaging bonus to gently caress them up while they are distracted. Maybe give them a special war type where neither side can take cities, just pillage each other. Have a happiness boost when it starts and then a penalty if it goes on too long.
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Jan 24, 2018 19:50
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Cythereal posted:I'm one of them. I hated the prospect of William Wallace leading Scotland, but Robert the Bruce is a fine choice. Same. Whatever they dreamt up to characterise Wallace would have been the dumbest meme sh- Magil Zeal posted:So... Scotland's UI is a Golf Course. Just putting that out there. Magil Zeal posted:Flower of Scotland - he does not like civs picking on his neighbours, will never do so himself, and will like you if you're not at war with them. 
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In one of Quill18's streams, he was playing as The Netherlands and Chandragupta declared war on him. Chandragupta was one turn away from taking Amsterdam when....he gave two luxuries to Quill18 in exchange for peace.
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The Human Crouton posted:In one of Quill18's streams, he was playing as The Netherlands and Chandragupta declared war on him. Chandragupta was one turn away from taking Amsterdam when....he gave two luxuries to Quill18 in exchange for peace. Incidentally the AI was actually using its frigates to attack the city and had a good-sized navy supporting their army in that attack. The peace deal was still  though, unless Chandragupta wasn't going to be able to hold the city due to loyalty/etc. And even then, a human player surely would've taken the city just to knock Quill down a peg (not sure if it's expected for the AI to do that kind of thing). Definitely comes off as stupid either way.Edit: Quill had an alliance with the Cree at the time, so it's possible Chandragupta felt threatened by them (even if he wasn't actually) due to some silly calculation somewhere, like it was weighing both the Netherlands and Cree's forces against his own and saying "oh poo poo I gotta get outta this war I'm gonna lose". I'm sure there's some explanation for this behavior, but I agree that it's bad. Magil Zeal fucked around with this message at 20:34 on Jan 24, 2018 |
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really queer Christmas posted:Especially for a war of liberation. You have to specifically lose a city which would likely only happen in competitive multiplayer or super high difficulty. nah the AI is bad, but it's only bad at taking cities because you fire on them every turn. if you drop a new city by another country's borders and then declare war on them, they'll happily capture it, and soundly so as long as you don't shoot at their mans. sue for peace, war of liberation, rinse, repeat e: oh, that's not a war of liberation. well good luck then, the AI can barely take each others' cities as it is 
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Jan 24, 2018 20:32
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Darkrenown posted:If anything, Scotland should love people who attack their neighbours and have some kind of raiding/pillaging bonus to gently caress them up while they are distracted. Maybe give them a special war type where neither side can take cities, just pillage each other. Have a happiness boost when it starts and then a penalty if it goes on too long. A boost in opinion to people attacking your enemies would make the most sense. I feel like raiding would be a good idea that'd never get used.
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Jan 24, 2018 20:41
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The Scots "will never pick on their neighbours"? They were loving renowned raiders!
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Jan 24, 2018 21:48
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Gort posted:The Scots "will never pick on their neighbours"? They were loving renowned raiders! Like most things in Civ6 it's going to be "America Presents: Scotland". I hope they never add Ireland.
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Taear posted:Like most things in Civ6 it's going to be "America Presents: Scotland". As long as it's not "Mel Gibson Presents: Scotland" (Or Mel Gibson Presents America for that matter, he's hosed that up at least twice)
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Taear posted:I hope they never add Ireland. I hope they do. I want a rainbow UI that generates gold.
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Jan 24, 2018 21:57
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I assume the historical agenda is based on the idea that supposedly the aim of Robert the Bruce's war in Ireland was to liberate it from the English. That's all I can come up with.
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Jan 24, 2018 22:01
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Scotland should have access to the unique Irn Bru luxury and their UU should be a bunch of pissed up Glaswegians on Bucky out for a fight
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Jan 24, 2018 22:38
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You must provide Scotland with a stable supply of Buckfast or they will instantly crush you
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Jan 24, 2018 22:39
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Have some scouts that are actually useful.
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Taear posted:I feel like raiding would be a good idea that'd never get used. What about, what about : Border Reivers: Every time you pillage a strategic or luxury resource, gain a copy of that resource for x turns. Maybe also a UU that can cross borders and pillage without a war dec. But that sounds a bit OP.
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Gort posted:The Scots "will never pick on their neighbours"? They were loving renowned raiders! On civfanatics someone had it as "won't pick on neighbours unless they break a promise" iirc.
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Jan 25, 2018 00:32
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So is the new Age mechanic supposed to make the late game tight enough for me to care about late game bonuses such as unique replacements for a scout upgrade I seldom ever get
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Well, they're adding a unit past the Ranger in the Recon line, the Spec Ops, that has two range, can paradrop some distance, and can shoot support units that are being escorted, which seems useful. A Ranger/Highlander or two that'll become Spec Ops eventually could be worth it. They also have 5 more melee and ranged strength than the base Ranger. Unrelated, turns out Liberation Wars can be used on someone who conquered one of your city-states a well (I had been assuming that city-states you were suzerain of didn't count as allies, and Protectorate Wars specifically being a thing for, well, protecting your city-states and nothing else, an entire casus belli specifically dedicated to city-states, seemed to support that), so, that might make Robert's ability a bit better. Still sucks for your civ allies though, since you're not going to help them until they've lost at least once city so you can get your bonuses.
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https://youtu.be/6tY-1fIazPo
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A zero-warmonger penalty to go rescue a city-state while crippling an aggressive civ is pretty great and would give me something to do instead of getting bored and turning to Domination victories. Dudes who conquer city states are the worst.
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That'd be nice, and going by the Scotland preview, that looks like it's going to be a thing. Not having a Casus Belli for conquered city states is something that bugs me to no end.
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