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Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Wasn't the lack of major governmental response an explicit factor in the political side of the story?

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Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


really queer Christmas posted:

To be fair, it’s also realistic for not-anonymous to be super underwhelming and more of a joke than anything serious

The problem is they’re built up to be this big threat in the first place.

I mean, people treated Anonymous like something to actually be afraid of for a while, too. Then people cottoned on to the fact that Anonymous had a very loud bark but was largely toothless.

Medjed being one big Anonymous expy is very, very blatant.

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017

Our protagonists are a bunch of teenagers, plus none of them know anything about hacking and stuff, so they can't do anything about Medjed. It's mostly only hyped by ourselves.

Basically, it's like challenging a person who has never swam before to a swimming race - of course they'd panic. This is the thing with Medjed.

It's a group, and anonymous to boot, so we can't change their hearts, plus they're hackers, which none of our current group (minus Futaba) can deal with. Out of our area of expertise.

So like the kids we are, we panicked and overhyped them.

As for the rest of the city overhyping stuff - people always overhype stuff that has got nothing to do with them. Gossip is a universal thing, they're probably just blowing things out of proportion because well, they're not the phantom thieves. Or medjed. And the skeptical ones probably thought it was a hoax. And the more paranoid ones were scared.

Deceitful Penguin
Feb 16, 2011
My favourite part of this thread is finding out what the denizens of this thread find weird and objectionable

'By the by' ? Seriously? :v:

GhostStalker
Mar 26, 2010

Guys, find a woman who looks at you the way GhostStalker looks at every bald, obese, single 58 year old accountant from Tulsa who managed to win $4,000 by not wagering on a Final Jeopardy triple stumper.

Deceitful Penguin posted:

'By the by' ? Seriously? :v:

Yeah, that turn of phrase doesn't seem weird to me at all.

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

in Newfoundland it's perfectly normal to live by the by

Deltasquid
Apr 10, 2013

awww...
you guys made me ink!


THUNDERDOME

Blademaster_Aio posted:

Our protagonists are a bunch of teenagers, plus none of them know anything about hacking and stuff, so they can't do anything about Medjed. It's mostly only hyped by ourselves.

Basically, it's like challenging a person who has never swam before to a swimming race - of course they'd panic. This is the thing with Medjed.

It's a group, and anonymous to boot, so we can't change their hearts, plus they're hackers, which none of our current group (minus Futaba) can deal with. Out of our area of expertise.

So like the kids we are, we panicked and overhyped them.

As for the rest of the city overhyping stuff - people always overhype stuff that has got nothing to do with them. Gossip is a universal thing, they're probably just blowing things out of proportion because well, they're not the phantom thieves. Or medjed. And the skeptical ones probably thought it was a hoax. And the more paranoid ones were scared.

Yeah, the whole Medjedj ordeal was deliberate. They are, by all accounts, a lovely antagonist: they're a bunch of posers who try to one-up a rival's popularity, and the phantom thieves panicked because it's out of their area of expertise. I bet that, on the flip side, you probably had Medjed members wringing hands over the idea that the Phantom thieves are going to steal their hearts, and oh poo poo, how do we even fight back against that?

So we've established at least one threat that PT can't deal with directly, and while they eventually fixed it by proxy of having their own hacker, the whole episode still has ramifications on society's perspective on, and expectations of, the phantom thieves. Additionally, as the tv broadcasts and Sae's scenes hint at, it's becoming a societal problem that the authorities can't just ignore any more.

It's not filler in any way because it advances the plot. And even if you think all it did was increase fame and rumours rather than anything substantial, this game kind of drives on the whole "the way we perceive things shapes them" motif as the palaces and "cognition~~" concepts drive home. It's been that way since Kamoshida and how people perceived Ann.

Epicmissingno
Jul 1, 2017

Thank gooness we all get along so well!

Arist posted:

The one who taunted the Phantom Thieves was a guy in Japan. I knew the Medjed members in Japan weren’t anything special, so I wasn’t worried.

I don't know about anyone else, but I got the impression that the Medjed that was threatening #Millenials was just one guy from this line.

Tenebrais
Sep 2, 2011

Epicmissingno posted:

I don't know about anyone else, but I got the impression that the Medjed that was threatening #Millenials was just one guy from this line.

Yeah, that's how it seems to me. Presumably one guy that owed a favour to whoever the big cheeses are that are worried about the Phantom Thieves. He's also a reasonable weapon - if there's a connection to whoever the other person running around the metaverse is, they might know the limits of the thieves' powers, and that they can't stop someone anonymous and might just have to give up before discovering the entire hoax was a bluff.

They just didn't count on them having a hacker of their own.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
The idea is that the threat was just from one dude with currently unknown motives, Futaba spent 2 hours and doxxed the dude, so he stopped.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Futaba hacked one dude's Nexus account talked some mad poo poo about someone else's mod and the whole group collapsed because everyone in Medjed has egos so big you'd think they were a Grecian god or something. :v:

C. Everett Koop
Aug 18, 2008

Really Pants posted:

in Newfoundland it's perfectly normal to live by the by

Well, I'm going to buy saying bye bye to by the by.

AriadneThread
Feb 17, 2011

The Devil sounds like smoke and honey. We cannot move. It is too beautiful.


this is a dangerous game you're playing

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
ain't no lie
by the by

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

Materant posted:

I mean, people treated Anonymous like something to actually be afraid of for a while, too. Then people cottoned on to the fact that Anonymous had a very loud bark but was largely toothless.

Medjed being one big Anonymous expy is very, very blatant.

Oh, I have no problems accepting that Medjed's bark is worse than their bite. I just have trouble believing that Medjed would let 3 weeks pass like this without constantly trying to poo poo-talk #Millenials.

really queer Christmas posted:

The problem is they’re built up to be this big threat in the first place.

I have to wonder if this part was rewritten or something.

I mean, maybe the original plan was for Futaba to be both Medjed and Alibaba? As Medjed, Futaba would hack into companies and taunt the Phantom Thieves to steal her heart, while she would give hints to the her identity as Alibaba. And maybe once they're done with her Palace, Futaba would release a statement on the internet as Medjed saying how the Phantom Thieves helped her and all that.

Like maybe this was all supposed to be a convoluted plan because it's part of how Futaba doesn't really know how to ask for help. But then the writers realized making Futaba actually hack into companies might put her in a bad light, so they inserted not-Anonymous into the story at the last minute and that's why the Medjed we got didn't really had much presence in the story.

TheDavies
Mar 27, 2010
That would make sense for the version where Hifumi is mission control.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Part 91: 8/23-8/24: Yakuza Seven

Everyone who commented saying “by the by” isn’t actually a weird thing to say: trap sprung, motherfuckers. I know you’re all actually 80.



And our percentage has increased once more.

Anon: become prime minister plz!!
Anon: imma buy ALL THE MERCH!
Anon: who the hell is admin?
Anon: They’re still suspicious.




Can you believe they actually took down hackers!?
It’s cool how they don’t reveal what they’re doing.
Who’s that guy that was criticizing them? Akechi?
It’s pretty lame to just criticize without doing anything yourself.

Anon: AGAIN, YAAAAAAS!
Anon: i knew it!! hahaha
Anon: I understand the praise…
Anon: Thanks, Phantom Thieves!
Anon: won’t help me, so gently caress em


I love that last dude.

Music: Beneath the Mask (Instrumental Version)



I haven’t seen them… What happened to them?



Open what?
The front door.
Why?
Won’t you come too, Maaku? We’re in front of Futaba’s house.
You wanna meet here… and not at Leblanc?
Isn’t that more comforting?
YYYou never mentioned this.
It would be nice if you could hurry down soon. It’s scorching hot out here.
You demon…!
Looks like we’re meeting up immediately over at Futaba’s. Makoto’s really going about this seriously…

Music: My Homie




Oh jesus.

Such avant garde design. You have excellent taste.



L-Let’s get started, shall we?



Yusuke turns, interested in something on the nearby shelf.



I’d like to simply have a normal conversation. That is the basis of true communication, after all.



Yes. You must be well-versed in speaking when you are student council president. Don’t think too hard about our conversation. We’re just going to talk about ordinary topics today.
And what do you mean by ordinary topics?
You know, things like food or the weather. Well then, let’s begin with food. What do you like to eat, Futaba?
Organic ones.
Um, that wasn’t exactly what I meant…
……
L-Let’s try a different topic! How about the weather? I heard that this heat wave is showing no sign of stopping…

She’s a shut-in, Makoto.

Dunno. I haven’t been out.
O-Oh, right…
Makoto’s getting overwhelmed…
Th-This is odd… It wasn’t supposed to go like this…





FEATHERMAN FORCE RULES



W-Waaaaaaaah!



They appear to be quite shoddily-made.
They’re from “Phoenix Rangers Neo Featherman”! No… Yellow and Pink’s heads… And Red’s been hacked to bits… This is all Inari’s fault…
Inari?
Your thief clothes were like a fox. According to Japanese folklore, foxes like inarizushi, thus Inari.

Oh boy, more impenetrable cultural references!

Inari…
Rghhh, they were in the perfect poses too…! It was so much work getting them set up just right! You wouldn’t know aesthetics if it hit you in the face, Inari!




Yeah…

Some time later…



Mm-hm. Victory is great for action, and Neo’s got the best transforming suit. So cool.
Fascinating. Art depicts a flash of inspiration, but models offer a much different means of enjoyment.
Huh? Take a look at that—Futaba’s having a regular conversation.
It seems she doesn’t have a problem talking to others as long as the subject interests her. I suppose the topics I brought up were not the right ones.
So this is all I gotta do? What a breeze!
In that case, we should advance to the next step. How about we have her spend time in someone else’s room?
Yes. She hasn’t had many chances to leave the house yet, so that would be the perfect opportunity.
Don’t set the bar so high!



Hrrrgh… OK…
I’ve left tomorrow to Ann and Ryuji. Maaku will be there as well, so you’ll be OK.
Can I wear my mask?
I-I think it would be best if you didn’t…
There’s really no telling how tomorrow’s going to go…

Music: Beneath the Mask



She’s still got a long way to go, though. I wonder how long before she’s ready for the beach…



They’re talking all about how the Phantom Thieves took down Medjed. Mishima’s website has a shitton of comments flooding in too!
The news coverage has been pretty insane as well!
Yes, they have only spoken of the Phantom Thieves for the entirety of today.
We’ve been getting attention all over the city.
So… how’s the one who helped us take Medjed down doing?
Futaba-chan!

(long pause)



Don’t complicate things further! Anyway, things didn’t go perfectly, but it’s definitely a step in the right direction.
Tomorrow’s goal will be to spend time in someone else’s room. Futaba is a difficult personality to handle. Good luck, you two.
Shut it, Inari.
All right, it’s our turn next! Seeya tomorrow, Futaba!
We have so much to talk about! Oooh, I can’t wait!
Ann and Ryuji teaming up honestly worries me… but I guess we’ll see what they can do.



As of now, the kind of damage they were promising has yet to be seen. Meanwhile, people on the internet are celebrating, calling this a victory for the Phantom Thieves.
Whoa, this is huge! We won!



Now everyone’s describing them as saviors. Little much, don’t you think?
No way, they really are. I can’t wait to see what they do next.



...Hey, you! Yer one of those Phantom Thieves, aren’t ya? You’re under arresht!



Yeah… Even though yer criminals, ev’rybody lovesh you...



Can’t ya tell jus’ by looking? I’m the cop tha’s always walkin’ thish beat. Y’know? I’m, uh, from the MPD’s drivision of… Erm. Salute!



Arreshting people ish… It’s muh jooorb. Jus’ stay real still. Lemme cuff you. Wha’? I can’t find my handcuffsh. Shorry ‘bout that… Salute!

Music: Layer Cake



We’re going to hang out with Iwai tonight, because he’s cool.

It’s ‘cause we sell merchandise that can’t take the heat. If it’s too cold for ya, layer up.



All right, I’ll tell you about the shop. It’s a piece of cake for a gun enthusiast like you, right?



If you’re considered an employee, you won’t seem suspicious coming in and out of the shop, right? If you get what I’m sayin’, bring the goods to the back.



I’m s’posed to be runnin’ an honorable business here, y’know. ...Though honestly, the customers’ve been runnin’ a little thin lately.



Some guy on the internet’s been claimin’ all my goods’re knock-offs. And once you’ve got a bad rap like that, it’s real tough to shake it.



Hmph, a kid like you…? …… ...You goin’ through somethin’ similar? I guess you wouldn’t be doin’ any of this if you weren’t, huh… Don’t gimme any details though. I don’t wanna know. Anyways, I should prolly fill you in on what’s goin’ on here since you’ll be helpin’ me out. I’d bet anythin’ the guy behind that rumor is Tsuda. You remember his name from the diner, yeah? Truth is, he’s a lieutenant in the Hashiba Clan. The same clan I was in… back when I was part of the yakuza.

I want more than anything for Iwai to rip off his jacket and have like a full-back lizard tattoo or some poo poo. I know he’s got the neck tat, but it’s not the same.



I love the other two responses. So cowardly, especially in the face of information we already loving knew. Besides, this is the point where we decide we’ve had enough? We’re buying illegally modified model guns!

Let’s just insult this dangerous former gang member to his face, then.



Anyway, Tsuda was my sworn brother back in the clan. I got some… unsavory business goin’ down with him now though.

Like Kiryu and Nishiki, or Majima and Saejima! Almost makes me think we’re going to get a lategame plot twist where it turns out Iwai gave Tsuda a gun full of rubber bullets or something.

Problem is, I’m a known quantity in the underworld. One bad step and I’d have guys crawlin’ all over me. That’s why I’ve got you around. You look normal, sure… but you got balls, kid. Makes you perfect for snoopin’ on Tsuda. ...Hope I ain’t scarin’ you off with all this talk.




But y’know, I’ve got a bit of a soft spot for idiots like you. Anyways, you get the gist of what’s goin’ on now, yeah? You’ll be workin’ with that in mind. I expect a lot from you, kid. ...Oh, and I’ll add to the special menu, to thank you for gettin’ that info for me the other day.
It feels like my bond with Iwai is growing even deeper…



Part of the reason I haven’t shown off gun customization yet (besides it being hella expensive to buy and upgrade these guns, natch) is that the latest guns weren’t customizable, because we hadn’t ranked Iwai up enough. This rank should cover what’s available at this point in the game, though. We still probably won’t delve into this for a bit, but it’s worth pointing out.




Music: Suspicion

Huh…? I thought I told you to stop comin’ around here.
But…




...Just go home n’ study, Kaoru. You’ve got entrance exams comin’ up, remember?
OK… I guess I’ll be going then…



Christ, this really is a Yakuza game.

He’s always askin’ me if he can help out here, always worryin’ about what I’m gettin’ up to. *sigh* But I prolly shouldn’t be tellin’ a kid like you about this… Well, you can head home for today. Nice work, kid.
I feel like helping Iwai with his work has honed my Proficiency...

Maaku gains Proficiency +2.

See ya next time.



Anon: PHANTOM THIEVES FTW!!!
Anon: too slow. hurry, do another
Anon: This is all a setup.
Anon: Plz steal my heart too!! x(


Music: Break it Down



There’re no customers.



We’re here!



Eep!?



So many snacks… What exactly do you plan on doing!?
Well, summer vacation’s the time when you lounge in your room all day.

Hahaha. Right. Only during summer vacation do I do that.

Yeah, and eating snacks is the best part of that!
You’re gonna get fat, y’know.
Shut it!
Hey, where’s Futaba?




Oh goddammit

poo poo freaked me out… That you, Futaba?
Yup. Welcome.
Why are you wearing that?
Habit. Anyway, bring it!
Not sure I get it… but let’s do this!
Sheesh. Looks like today’s going to be another noisy day…

Music: Alright



For real, it was freakin’ amazing! There were girls all over me! ...Wait. You don’t believe a word I’m sayin’ do you…?
Uh, it’s you we’re talking about here. There’s no way you were ever a chick magnet.
What was that…?
Agreed. As a member of the opposite sex, I sense no charm from you, Ryuji.
Plus, popular guys wouldn’t go bragging about that stuff to other people.



...Hey, are you even listening!?
There’s no point talkin’ about wedding dresses right now. None of us have significant others.
Yup. I don’t wanna get married right now.
Can we please talk about something else!?



Yeah, she doesn’t have any trouble speaking her mind. Seems totally normal to me.
I dunno what normal is… But if this is it, I’m happy.
I totally thought you were gonna be some weirdo, but I guess all that worryin’ was for nothing.
Mm-hm, I’m relieved too. I think things should keep going smoothly at this rate. By the way, what’s on the agenda for tomorrow?
How about we have her try helping around the store?

At some point this shifted from “help Futaba open up to us” to “make her less of a loving shut-in.”

That’s perfect! It’ll be good practice to have her up in front of strangers.
Eep…! Nope, nope, nope! Showing up in the shop during lunchtime’ll be like, super-crushing hard mode!
You don’t have to deal with customers if you don’t want to. Maybe you could dry plates in the back?
Hrgh… Nrghhh…



...I’d be mad if you weren’t.
Then it’s all set. We’ll be rootin’ for you, Futaba!
Grrrr… You’re all gonna pay for this someday…



No, I don’t think those had calling cards…
You know, like, changing people’s hearts from the shadows!
Is it just me, or have there been more posts from foreigners lately?
Maybe I should make a request on that forum, too…

Anon: Their word is final.
Anon: Congrats on a world debut!
Anon: so proud of them


Music: Beneath the Mask




Our popularity’s gone through the roof! You guys gotta hear this! This cute chick said she wants to go out with a Phantom Thief!
But not you specifically, huh?
Not surprised. As a member of the opposite sex, I sense no charm from you, Ryuji.
You don’t gotta say it over text too!
What in the world were you all doing today…?
Girl talk at Leblanc. Er, more like chatting and snacking really.
So, she’s completed her objective for the day.
Next up is practice going out in front of people.
Wait, WHAT!?
You’ll be fine. Maaku will be with you the whole time. We want to ease you into it, so your first test will be helping out at Leblanc.



Thanks for the help.
You better make an effort tomorrow, Maaku!




It’s still not too late to hit the beach! It’s close enough that you can even make it a day trip!
That sounds nice. It doesn’t feel like summer without a beach trip. Maybe I’ll buy a new swimsuit.




Everyone’s dialogue has updated, including Sojiro’s.




No, it can’t be… It’s nothing.



...No, that’s not it. Be normal to her.

Music: Time to Repent



I can’t teach you shogi right now… or rather, from now on…

What’s the matter, Hifumi?

I’m… at checkmate right now. My only option is to concede… but… I can’t seem to give up… I’m not sure what my next move is after this checkmate…
Hifumi seems troubled… With my overflowing Knowledge, I might be able to show Hifumi her next move…!

This is the Rank 5 Knowledge gate, which we just barely managed to squeak by to meet. The text about our Knowledge helping Hifumi is completely irrelevant, for the record. It has absolutely nothing to do with the coming scene.

I feel like my bond with Hifumi will grow stronger soon, but….

Uh oh, there’s another gate besides just Knowledge in play here. Let’s see what it is.



What…? You’ll help me think…? Thank you so much…!



My mother told me that I should lose my upcoming exhibition match against the pro…



Music: Suspicion

It’s a “strategy” she devised… She says that if I lose to a man, I’ll get sympathy from women, and as a result get more female fans. Then when I make my comeback, I’ll become a symbol for strong women everywhere. That way, I can use the weekly magazine’s popularity against them and instantly become famous.




I feel my mother may be right. People do love a good comeback story. Coming from the TV industry, my mother does have great insight for entertainment. This time around… I couldn’t help but argue. It’s the wrong thing to do… I actually got into a fight with my mother. It wasn’t the first time, but… What made me sad was… I realized my mother doesn’t see me as a shogi player… She said that there’s no need for me to be putting so much time and effort into shogi… ...And that once I become famous I can quit shogi and make money from my looks.



Yikes.

The only reason she continues to support my shogi career is so she can profit off of me as an idol. She doesn’t mind if I lose a match, as long as I build my reputation and make money. To my mother, shogi is just a vehicle to make me famous…



Even if it helped me to become famous and eased my parents’ burden… I don’t want to turn my back on shogi… a game that both my father and I love…



...If only that were possible. She’s the kind of woman who never changes her mind… She wants to achieve her unfulfilled dream of becoming a celebrity… through me. I highly doubt she would ever reconsider…



Wait, what are you doing Maaku

It’s… Mitsuyo Togo. What does that have to do with what we’re talking about…?
I need to do something about the target for Hifumi....



Uhhhhhhhhh

Is it just me or is it super hosed up that we’ve just decided to change the heart of our friend’s mother without their knowledge or consent and with no real risk of harm at play? I mean, it sucks for Hifumi but I’m not sure she wants us brainwashing her mom to get out of it.

Kevos Setzer
Dec 1, 2004

I can transform, right?

gently caress it. Futaba's my spirit animal now.

quote:



Wait, what are you doing Maaku

Uh oh. Yeah, I could see this kind of power going to a hosed up place pretty easily.

resurgam40
Jul 22, 2007

Battler, the literal stupidest man on earth. Why are you even here, Battler, why did you come back to this place so you could fuck literally everything up?

Arist posted:

Is it just me or is it super hosed up that we’ve just decided to change the heart of our friend’s mother without their knowledge or consent and with no real risk of harm at play? I mean, it sucks for Hifumi but I’m not sure she wants us brainwashing her mom to get out of it.

It isn't you. I mean, it's still sort of within our wheelhouse, as we are addressing a problem with few other options- Hifumi is being asked to take a fall, even without the weird sexuality being forced on her by her mom- BUT... she didn't ask the phantom thieves to do it, so yes, there is an element of corruption here that the game never really addresses to my satisfaction. Because no one really asked us to take care of the cat torturer or assaulter either... I wonder how great a leap it would be to try to stop crimes before they start. Or start commanding donations somehow (although that part was touched upon briefly by Majima, but only the once).

Also, Iwai :allears:

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




Arist posted:

Tomorrow’s goal will be to spend time in someone else’s room. Futaba is a difficult personality to handle. Good luck, you two.
Shut it, Inari.

Oh cool, she doesn't like Yusuke. This kid's alright.

Arist posted:

Uhhhhhhhhh

Is it just me or is it super hosed up that we’ve just decided to change the heart of our friend’s mother without their knowledge or consent and with no real risk of harm at play? I mean, it sucks for Hifumi but I’m not sure she wants us brainwashing her mom to get out of it.

Yeah, we meddle, it's what we do. It's about time #MILLENIALS lived up to their name and got involved with and then subsequently ruin someone else's business.

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

If it weren't for the shared goal I'm pretty sure Futaba and Yusuke would ultimately kill each other.

And don't worry we just asked Hifumi for her mom's name so we could order Iwai to take care of it.

GunnerJ
Aug 1, 2005

Do you think this is funny?
Millennials Are Killing The Chess Idol Industry

Hwurmp
May 20, 2005

Arist posted:

Uhhhhhhhhh

Is it just me or is it super hosed up that we’ve just decided to change the heart of our friend’s mother without their knowledge or consent and with no real risk of harm at play? I mean, it sucks for Hifumi but I’m not sure she wants us brainwashing her mom to get out of it.

yeah but she might go out with us though!!!

Req.Martyr
May 4, 2016

I don't go by my caste, creed, or religion. My works speak for me.

Kevos Setzer posted:

gently caress it. Futaba's my spirit animal now.


Uh oh. Yeah, I could see this kind of power going to a hosed up place pretty easily.

Like. It's definitely bad.

This is definitely Maaku railroading a "save the heroine route" which is typical for the kind of game but yikes.

Also, at least he's a man of conviction. I don't know the rest of the game, but I have to wonder if this is the kind of thing that leads to them getting in actual trouble?

Gihyou
Feb 19, 2011

Oh God no the ball is gone.

Arist posted:


It’s ‘cause we sell merchandise that can’t take the heat. If it’s too cold for ya, layer up.



All right, I’ll tell you about the shop. It’s a piece of cake for a gun enthusiast like you, right?


Nice of you to squeeze the name of your shop's music track into these two lines, Iwai.

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer
Considering that outside of the politician, every social link outside of our party has a part that involves the MC finding out just who it is that has been screwing the people he cares about. In all of the #Millennials despite how they may act, there is an underlying level of anger against the hosed up society that nearly broke them. Despite being the MC, and not saying much, this layer of anger is the strongest out of the party as unlike every other member he has been completely screwed over. What happened at the start of the game has so completely hosed up his future that the chance of him even having a semi-normal life is a crap shoot at best. So it should be no surprise that he would just dive in like this.

Also I do enjoy this section where the party is working on getting close to Futaba.

megane
Jun 20, 2008



"Ugh, the guy at Starbucks keeps making my double-espresso mocha Americano with half-'n'-half instead of steamed milk."

"...what's his name?"

Funky Valentine
Feb 26, 2014

Dojyaa~an

megane posted:

"Ugh, the guy at Starbucks keeps making my double-espresso mocha Americano with half-'n'-half instead of steamed milk."

"...what's his name?"

Boss doesn't like competition; better clear the whole Starbucks out just to be sure.

An Actual Princess
Dec 23, 2006

They're a bunch of teenagers with an unprecedented amount of sudden power; I would be shocked if they didn't use it for ultimately unimportant or petty things at any point

I delve into this subject much more deeply in my fanfiction, and furthermore

Oxxidation
Jul 22, 2007
The game clearly doesn't consider changes of heart to be brainwashing, but Hifumi's sort of an odd case either way. Compared to horrorshows like Kawakami's blackmailers, Mrs. Togo doesn't really rate as much of a baddie.

Oxxidation fucked around with this message at 06:10 on Jan 27, 2018

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.
Changes of heart just magically solve anything vaguely classifiable as either a character defect, a mental ailment, or a personality problem.

This is achieved by beating the bad parts of someone’s psyche to near-death. Our protagonist should ask if Hifumi wants help before deciding to smack down her shadow mom, yeah, but it’s demonstrably not some kind of horrible brainwashing. (See Futaba, who has apparently been cured entirely of latent suicidal depression/PTSD/whatever specific issue she had.)

A Bystander
Oct 10, 2012
Yusuke and Futuba's interactions are real good.

RareAcumen
Dec 28, 2012




A Bystander posted:

Yusuke and Futuba's interactions are real good.

I look forward to when she gets her Inari smashing stick.

Materant
Jul 22, 2010

see, what you don't understand is he now has

THE MANLIEST MUSTACHE

it defies physics


GeneX posted:

Changes of heart just magically solve anything vaguely classifiable as either a character defect, a mental ailment, or a personality problem.

This is achieved by beating the bad parts of someone’s psyche to near-death. Our protagonist should ask if Hifumi wants help before deciding to smack down her shadow mom, yeah, but it’s demonstrably not some kind of horrible brainwashing. (See Futaba, who has apparently been cured entirely of latent suicidal depression/PTSD/whatever specific issue she had.)

I mean, for Futaba's part she got over it entirely on her own. The only thing we beat to death was the horrifying sphinx-specter of her mother egging her into suicide.

Jen X
Sep 29, 2014

To bring light to the darkness, whether that darkness be ignorance, injustice, apathy, or stagnation.

Materant posted:

I mean, for Futaba's part she got over it entirely on her own. The only thing we beat to death was the horrifying sphinx-specter of her mother egging her into suicide.

I was under the impression that that was a kind of symbolic representation of survivor's guilt or something, but her palace dragged on and I might just be making stuff up by accident

amigolupus
Aug 25, 2017

I feel like this part with Hifumi could be improved if:

- Hifumi's mother is in scenes near the beginning of the link and that we actually see her refusing to listen and being awful to her own daughter, rather than hearing about it all this time.
- There's a scene where Maaku and Hifumi actually TRIED to reason with Hifumi's mother first.
- Hifumi mentioning how she wishes the Phantom Thieves could help her.

Blademaster_Aio
Jan 22, 2017

GeneX posted:

I was under the impression that that was a kind of symbolic representation of survivor's guilt or something, but her palace dragged on and I might just be making stuff up by accident

It was a congnition of her mother, and her thoughts about her mother became warped because of that suicide note some people pointlessly read to a kid.

TheDavies
Mar 27, 2010

Funky Valentine posted:

If it weren't for the shared goal I'm pretty sure Futaba and Yusuke would ultimately kill each other.

I think they enjoy not getting along too much for that.

Blueberry Pancakes
Aug 18, 2012

Jack in!! MegaMan, Execute!

Arist posted:

Eep…! Nope, nope, nope! Showing up in the shop during lunchtime’ll be like, super-crushing hard mode!

I'm not sure how I feel about Atlus using my likeness in a video game.

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GhostStalker
Mar 26, 2010

Guys, find a woman who looks at you the way GhostStalker looks at every bald, obese, single 58 year old accountant from Tulsa who managed to win $4,000 by not wagering on a Final Jeopardy triple stumper.

Funky Valentine posted:

If it weren't for the shared goal I'm pretty sure Futaba and Yusuke would ultimately kill each other.

And that's why you never mess with an otaku's figs.

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