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MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

his nibs posted:

That was a very loving long gif man, I almost gave up watching.

e:

MedicineHut fucked around with this message at 10:20 on Jan 27, 2018

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:14

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# ? May 21, 2024 15:33

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Foo Diddley posted:

It seems the laughs are already over, sadly:

The laughs never end.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:15

alf_pogs: Feb 15, 2012

have i missed something in the last ten pages?

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:18

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

CIG replied to the reply

~~Someone get the doc pls~~

https://www.scribd.com/document/370105345/031127439162

Daztek fucked around with this message at 11:58 on Jan 27, 2018

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:18

The Kins: Oct 2, 2004

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:22

Mu77ley: Oct 14, 2016

EminusSleepus posted:

they already fired they long time friend for not composing music very well LOL

According to his LinkedIn profile, Martin Galway left his role as Director of Audio at Cloud Imperium in Austin, TX in July 2014.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:22

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Streetroller posted:

This is like... a high-schooler's approach to param handling. It's almost intentional.

Yeah, the only other place I've seen security gently caress-ups on this level is Bitcoiners writing their own financial marketplaces after taking an introductory class to php because professionals wouldn't work for equity in a magic bean factory.

Exposing user data in the url isn't just a case of forgetting to set a variable. If you're doing that then everything below it is probably also a gigantic loving mess just to fail pen tests.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:22

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

Streetroller posted:

Uhhh.
Hate to jump in but this is kinda a specialty of mine.

Login requests through JQuery should be sent through some kind of internal secure api via a post script.
(honestly, who writes in plain JQuery anymore anyway? Sheesh)
Even if You're trying to be backward compatible for say Netscape Navigator with a <form /> tag, there literally should be no event in which form data shows up in an address line.
Unless you do something like a hotlink to a php page with form data in the address line such as:
php:
<?
<a href="reallyBadFormExample.php?Param_A=[a]&Param_B=[b]" />?>
This is like... a high-schooler's approach to param handling. It's almost intentional.
(*Okay, guess you could do a Get request... but who the gently caress puts a get request on a form?)
Hey, CIG... CHECK THIS OUT https://www.w3.org/Protocols/rfc2616/rfc2616-sec9.html

Uh, yeah, that's what I said.The thing is, if - due one reason or another - the jQuery runs into an uncaught exception and is written so badly that the submit handler cannot prevent the default submit action, it may happen that the form falls back to it's normal, intended way of working. And if it then misses the 'method="POST"' parameter, exactly this poo poo happens. We can argue that it's stupid that even HTML5 standard assumes method=GET as default for forms....I can't think of any reason when a form should send it's data via GET, if someone knows one, enlighten me, but still:

Of course, if you run into such a situation, there are multiple things you should ask yourself:

1) As you said, ask yourself why the submit-handler failed in such a horrible way that it couldn't prevent the default action or why wasn't it fired in the first place? Is it because I actually write the stuff by hand and don't use one of the gazilliion proven frameworks out there?

2) Why did the form not have method=POST as a further failsafe? Was it because the form was written by hand? If yes, why aren't I using one of the gazillion proven frameworks out there?

It is such an incredible rookie mistake which again shows on what a rotten foundation of source code this whole project is built. It seems it's irregardless of wether it's the website, Star Citizen, CIG, F42, Turbulent....regardless of what source code they touch, it's hosed, and bad, and reeks of rookie mistakes that somehow manage to make it to live releases.

Or maybe the website is pre-alpha? Who knows....

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:28

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

You get an error message immediately on an invalid login, but if your login happens to be bobby drop tables, then it just sits there blinking ominously as if it's having difficulty talking to the server.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:33

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

his nibs posted:

This is art.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:36

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

Ghostlight posted:

Exposing user data in the url isn't just a case of forgetting to set a variable. If you're doing that then everything below it is probably also a gigantic loving mess just to fail pen tests.

We're talking about a company that requests money from you to purge your account after your player avatar turned into a ball of light due to a bug in their "game" because that's apparently their ownly fix for, or that apparently has such an ill-designed database that has to be "cleaned up from the Schmeg" by hand because no one managed to design it well in the first place, implement working stored procedures or implement regular, automatic maintenance (or a reliable ORM in the first place which does all that poo poo for you)....

Sky's the limit when it comes to their levels of incompetence, apparently

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:40

Martman: Nov 20, 2006

I like to imagine that CIG has accidentally built some kind of Satanic hellmachine that only functions after being fed money. The fear in Croberts's eyes isn't what we thought...

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:46

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Martman posted:

I like to imagine that CIG has accidentally built some kind of Satanic hellmachine that only functions after being fed money. The fear in Croberts's eyes isn't what we thought...

Star Citizen: Hubrisraiser

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:49

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Make that Pandora's box green, not blue.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:50

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

Lol, they actually only fixed it at one place...the other forms - which don't handle passwords though, just reset request and two-factor authentication, still have the flaw:

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:50

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

I loving love web design

And by love I mean that it's the worst loving thing that I also have to go in on a public holiday on Monday to do for eight hours for unconnected reasons.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:54

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

goddamn, the CSS.

This is the from the CENTRAL css file....look at this, just look at it:

# ? Jan 27, 2018 10:57

Raskolnikov: Nov 25, 2003

Yee olde first geocities page of yore vibes

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:04

CrazyLoon: Aug 10, 2015; "..."

I liked web designing back in 2004, soon after just discovering internet and getting all artsy fartsy about my online IRC RP group.

That was the last time I liked web designing.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:09

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ReAOvo8L0p4&t=740s

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:16

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

I mean, there are obvious reasons nowadays (or basically since years) to include quite a lot in single, large css and js files and also pull together stuff like non-svg icons and logos into single images to prevent too many requests to the webserver before the whole page can be rendered, but adding URLs which are only used on a single page of the entire site in your main CSS file....basically ALL OF THEM....I can't see a reason for this, neither performance-wise (keep em in the markup on the single place where they are used, it has to loaded anyway), nor production-pipeline wise.

It shouldn't matter in regards to performance that much with the bandwith we have nowadays (the css is about 400kb, btw., also contains all the svg-data on the entire site, I guess), but it simply makes no sense. This is data that is needed at a place, at a single page of the entire site, but I shove it down the throat of every visitor, irregerdless of wether he actually wants to visit the prowler magazine or not, plus it is stored at a place (I guess the .less file for the prowler page) I wouldn't expect it, like right at the markup, if I already have to do that by hand for magazine style site.

e: also, on the mobile version, when you visit the shop, you can't go to other pages (but the start via the RSI logo). The mobile menu is empty. Clever, RSI, clever....

ee: they actually hosed up their shop on mobile....their most precious thing.....the only way to go forward is buy the drat ship, lol

tuo fucked around with this message at 11:25 on Jan 27, 2018

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:20

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

Okay, enough web talk, but it's so drat funny they can't even get their website right. There are too many things wrong with it to list them here....

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:36

Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

Daztek posted:

CIG replied to the reply

Someone get the doc pls

Not empty quoting this.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:39

his nibs: Feb 27, 2016; Welcome to the
Dream Factory; Grimey Drawer

MedicineHut posted:

That was a very loving long gif man, I almost gave up watching.

e:

yeah the bit at the end is amazing

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:47

Solarin: Nov 15, 2007

this game.., what a total shitfest! It's really bad

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:51

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

Daztek posted:

CIG replied to the reply

Someone get the doc pls

Document: https://www.scribd.com/document/370105345/031127439162

# ? Jan 27, 2018 11:57

his nibs: Feb 27, 2016; Welcome to the
Dream Factory; Grimey Drawer

Daztek posted:

Document: https://www.scribd.com/document/370105345/031127439162

"The opposition rambles over ground not set forth clearly or at all in the FAC. By repeatedly attempting to justify getting waved through Rule 12 by arguing phantom allegations, by proffering absurd interpretations of now-revealed plain contract language, by asserting ever-shifting claims for copyright infringement without identifying the allegedly infringing works, and by seeking remedies that are palpably improper under black letter law (e.g., punitive damages for breach of contract and statutory damages for pre-registration infringement), the opposition demonstrates that both efforts at pleading in this case have been an unmanageable, incoherent mess unworthy of proceeding beyond the pleading stage and all of the attendant time and expense thereafter.

The Court should straighten that mess by granting the motion"

:allears:

# ? Jan 27, 2018 12:04

Alchenar: Apr 9, 2008

Also did the thread do this: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7t5uxm/i_was_having_issues_with_the_rsi_site_when_i/

# ? Jan 27, 2018 12:06

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

tuo posted:

goddamn, the CSS.

This is the from the CENTRAL css file....look at this, just look at it:

I'm the width: 145.5%

# ? Jan 27, 2018 12:08

Daztek: Jun 2, 2006

tuo posted:

goddamn, the CSS.

This is the from the CENTRAL css file....look at this, just look at it:

SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES
SALES

# ? Jan 27, 2018 12:09

tuo: Jun 17, 2016

Chalks posted:

I'm the width: 145.5%

It punches above the canvas size

# ? Jan 27, 2018 12:18

AP: Jul 12, 2004; One Ring to fool them all
One Ring to find them
One Ring to milk them all
and pockets fully line them; Grimey Drawer

Daztek posted:

Document: https://www.scribd.com/document/370105345/031127439162

Finally we get to see a productive use of backer funds.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 12:55

Ghostlight: Sep 25, 2009; maybe for one second you can pause; try to step into another person's perspective, and understand that a watermelon is cursing me

Alchenar posted:

Also did the thread do this: https://www.reddit.com/r/starcitizen/comments/7t5uxm/i_was_having_issues_with_the_rsi_site_when_i/

Yes, it's why this page is Web Nerd Hell.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:02

his nibs: Feb 27, 2016; Welcome to the
Dream Factory; Grimey Drawer

AP posted:

Finally we get to see a productive use of backer funds.

I just want to know if this is good or bad for Star Citizen

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:07

Chalks: Sep 30, 2009

The whole password in the url thing is testament to the quality of CIG's programmers and their code review process. loving highschool level programming mistakes on production systems, a class act all round.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:15

Loxbourne: Apr 6, 2011; Tomorrow, doom!
But now, tea.

his nibs posted:

I just want to know if this is good or bad for Star Citizen

For those who don't want to read it, it can be summarised as follows:

1. CryTek are MEANIES and BAD and WRONG and CIG are LAUGHING AT HOW WRONG CRYREKT ARE.

2. It doesn't matter anyway because the disclaimer at clause 6.1.4 precludes all claims for damages.

3. CryTek are claiming punitive remedies that don't exist (this is a point I'd be interested to see a specialist lawgoon comment on, actually. This is something we can look up).

4. CryTek's definition of "exclusive" can't be right because it would produce absurdities.

5. Ortwin is the BEST LAWYER EVER and CryTek are IMPERTINENT and SCANDALOUS (sic) for saying such nasty things about him and...the other bloke whose name they can't even be bothered to remember.

This is all in the same confrontational and belligerent style as last time, and finishes with a lengthy "no u!"

As before I am a lawgoon but not an American IP and contractual lawgoon, so I will refrain from commenting on the merits and repeat what I said last time. It's written like a smarmy Freeper's manifesto and peppered with statements that CryTek "fails" and "cannot even" and is "so very wrong". The backers will eat it up.

Loxbourne fucked around with this message at 13:26 on Jan 27, 2018

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:15

shrach: Jan 10, 2004; daylight ssssaving time

Daztek posted:

Document: https://www.scribd.com/document/370105345/031127439162

Exclusivity is back on the menu.

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:19

Xaerael: Aug 25, 2010; Marching Powder is objectively the worst poster known. He also needs to learn how a keyboard works.

Loxbourne posted:

For those who don't want to read it, it can be summarised as follows:

1. CryTek are MEANIES and BAD and WRONG and CIG are LAUGHING AT HOW WRONG CRYREKT ARE.

2. It doesn't matter anyway because the disclaimer at clause 6.1.4 precludes all claims for damages.

3. CryTek are claiming punitive remedies that don't exist (this is a point I'd be interested to see a specialist lawgoon comment on, actually. This is something we can look up).

4. CryTek's definition of "exclusive" can't be right because it would produce absurdities.

5. Ortwin is the BEST LAWYER EVER and CIG are IMPERTINENT and SCANDALOUS (sic) for saying such nasty things about him and...the other bloke whose name they can't even be bothered to remember.

This is all in the same confrontational and belligerent style as last time, and finishes with a lengthy "no u!"

As before I am a lawgoon but not an American IP and contractual lawgoon, so I will refrain from commenting on the merits and repeat what I said last time. It's written like a smarmy Freeper's manifesto and peppered with statements that CIG "fails" and "cannot even" and is "so very wrong". The backers will eat it up.

Lox, you literally got your companies wrong :p CASE DISMISSED

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:21

Lack of Gravitas: Oct 11, 2012; Grimey Drawer

"Your Honor, we provided bug fixes to Crytek four days ago, something we totally had planned to do even before they began this impertinent waste of the Courts time"

:allears:

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:25

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# ? May 21, 2024 15:33

Malachite_Dragon: Mar 31, 2010; Weaving Merry Christmas magic

So, they're basically doubling down on the "WRONG COMPANY THEREFORE DISMISS" defense, yeah?

# ? Jan 27, 2018 13:25

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