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corn in the bible posted:Sonic the hedgehog may present himself as the savior of the people but in truth his motivations are not "way past cool" at all, but rather, symptomatic of the deep obsession with marxist-leninist dialecticism that plagues post-post-war America. The player is told that Robotnik (note the Jewish name, a case of clear anti-Semitism) is capturing animals to encase in robots, but is this really true? Perhaps he is offering gainful employment, which is accepted as the communist doctrine espoused by Sonic provides nothing at all. Sonic himself is given all the goods he wants (hot dogs, shoes, even scarfs in some interpretations) but the "liberated animals" are clothed in nothing... or are they clothed in new, robotic clothing bought via the free market? One might argue that Sonic is a game for children, and unlikely to contain these ideas. However, that is exactly the point: much like socialism, it is merely a fantasy, an impossible dream only children could accept. Also the graphics are pretty good and the controls are smooth, 8/10 SMG alt spotted Edit: Holy poo poo that pinned comment!
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Jan 28, 2018 18:45
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Man, after living through years of action games that had white dudes going in and blowing up foreign locales, it's kind of refreshing to see somebody actually make mention of it in a game review. And it wasn't even as a negative, it's just a thing that's in the game.
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Jan 28, 2018 18:54
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Arcsquad12 posted:In the twitter discussions posted above. I feel like reacting to a twitter discussion with language that implies a universality is kind of silly. As Hemingway there pointed out, Twitter is filled with people cultivating the most extreme, dumb opinions possible, generally in reaction to other people cultivating the most extreme, dumb opinions possible. It's like pointing at shanley and going "It's a shame that feminists are complaining about men mansplaining the moon."
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corn in the bible posted:Sonic the hedgehog may present himself as the savior of the people but in truth his motivations are not "way past cool" at all, but rather, symptomatic of the deep obsession with marxist-leninist dialecticism that plagues post-post-war America. The player is told that Robotnik (note the Jewish name, a case of clear anti-Semitism) is capturing animals to encase in robots, but is this really true? Perhaps he is offering gainful employment, which is accepted as the communist doctrine espoused by Sonic provides nothing at all. Sonic himself is given all the goods he wants (hot dogs, shoes, even scarfs in some interpretations) but the "liberated animals" are clothed in nothing... or are they clothed in new, robotic clothing bought via the free market? One might argue that Sonic is a game for children, and unlikely to contain these ideas. However, that is exactly the point: much like socialism, it is merely a fantasy, an impossible dream only children could accept. Also the graphics are pretty good and the controls are smooth, 8/10 I always liked the interpretation of Bowser as a freedom fighter for the masses, trying to liberate them from the tyrannical monarchy of the Toadstools. Yet at the same time he craves the affection of his authoritarian abusers. It's very tragic.
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Some other reviewers have criticized Pac-Man for promoting over-consumption and giving rise to the obesity epidemic that is currently sweeping post-post-post-war America. While the correlation may exist -- sociological studies will be needed to confirm it -- this is a clear misinterpretation of the intended message. True, Pac-Man as a title does bear this concept out (Pac referring to the Sac 'n' Pac line of general stores, and thus obviously connected in dialectic to the consumption of high-calorie foods) but remember that this title was changed from the original. Initially he was known as Puck-Man, and we must therefore turn our gaze from America and towards Canada, where hockey is the sport of choice. Recall Puck-Man's actions in his game: he consumes healthy fruits, and is rewarded, but remains in danger from the "ghosts" who, in their various colors, must surely relate to the various teams in Canada's highest hockey league. Puck-Man is unable to defeat these teams through mere healthy living and training; he must consume pellets to do so. These pellets, or "power pills" as they are sometimes called, must surely correlate to something. Perhaps this is a statement upon the necessity of steroid abuse in sporting competition? Or, perhaps, it is merely telling us that hockey is over-violent, and success only comes through the destruction of others and years of treatment for concussive injury. The jury is still out, but no doubt we will learn more in time. Also the graphics are pretty good and the controls are smooth, 8/10
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Jan 28, 2018 19:00
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From all of the internet parodies out there, I can only conclude that Peach and Bowser have a very tumultuous relationship. And Mario just ends up complicating things even more.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:01
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corn in the bible posted:Some other reviewers have criticized Pac-Man for promoting over-consumption and giving rise to the obesity epidemic that is currently sweeping post-post-post-war America. While the correlation may exist -- sociological studies will be needed to confirm it -- this is a clear misinterpretation of the intended message. Also, Pac-Man is obviously a critique of consumerism and how it ruins the community. Are you even trying? Do you even know how this works? Spark That Bled fucked around with this message at 19:07 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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Jan 28, 2018 19:03
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Spark That Bled posted:Man, after living through years of action games that had white dudes going in and blowing up foreign locales, it's kind of refreshing to see somebody actually make mention of it in a game review. And it wasn't even as a negative, it's just a thing that's in the game. It's not a review but did you ever play the JRPG Nier? Not the sequel but the original one? I did a couple years ago and it was...okay. Anyway, I was comparing it to what I know of Spec Ops: The Line which is a game that gets criticized a lot for "the game is telling me to feel bad for doing things but I don't have any control over what I'm doing so why should I feel bad?" Nier does much the same. And, when I brought this up to somebody else just yesterday, they presented an interview with Nier's creator Yoko Taro talking about how Nier was directly inspired by the War on Terror. That was pretty damned neat. (although I maintain that killing the horrible monsters who want to possess my PC's daughter and all my friends is not in any way a morally dubious action.)
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Jan 28, 2018 19:05
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CJacobs posted:Ohh, that must be the reason why he didn't mention it, not the fact it doesn't fit his narrative. We all know that you can just disregard things if the media itself doesn't present it as the most important element, critics have been doing it for years! Again I get flashbacks to my renaissance seminar. You can't just omit evidence within the text that contradicts your argument and expect a good response.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:15
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Arcsquad12 posted:Again I get flashbacks to my renaissance seminar. You can't just omit evidence within the text that contradicts your argument and expect a good response. You can from other people whose prejudices you've confirmed. 
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Jan 28, 2018 19:18
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Arcsquad12 posted:Again I get flashbacks to my renaissance seminar. You can't just omit evidence within the text that contradicts your argument and expect a good response. Some individuals have claimed, spuriously, that Spec Ops: The Line is in some way anti-war. This is an intriguing concept, but the opposite interpretation is true. Who can forget the dangers seen by our heroes as they enter the city? Who can ignore the atrocities visited upon the people? These acts are only stopped by the entrance of an American force, who are able to put a stop to many of the troubles occurring within the city of Dubai. True, some losses occur, and some mistakes are made, but we can forgive these just as we can those in the wars upon which the game is commenting. This concept is supported even further by the appearance of a man who continually plays Vietnam-era music over the radio. The correlation is clear: much like the Vietnam War, any war in the Middle East will be unpopular but, ultimately, necessary and good for America. The fact that many of the atrocities seen in the city were caused by an American is further support of this: the United States must protect other countries from all danger, even that which was caused by past Americans. Their responsibility continues unabated. For, as Rambo said in the seminal pro-soldier film Rambo First Blood, "they drew first blood." Also, remember that the game's protagonist only considers turning back when he has lost his mind, gone insane -- I leave this particularly obvious message up to the reader to interpret. Also the graphics are pretty good and the controls are smooth, 8/10
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Jan 28, 2018 19:18
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corn in the bible posted:Sonic the hedgehog may present himself as the savior of the people but in truth his motivations are not "way past cool" at all, but rather, symptomatic of the deep obsession with marxist-leninist dialecticism that plagues post-post-war America. The player is told that Robotnik (note the Jewish name, a case of clear anti-Semitism) is capturing animals to encase in robots, but is this really true? Perhaps he is offering gainful employment, which is accepted as the communist doctrine espoused by Sonic provides nothing at all. Sonic himself is given all the goods he wants (hot dogs, shoes, even scarfs in some interpretations) but the "liberated animals" are clothed in nothing... or are they clothed in new, robotic clothing bought via the free market? One might argue that Sonic is a game for children, and unlikely to contain these ideas. However, that is exactly the point: much like socialism, it is merely a fantasy, an impossible dream only children could accept. Also the graphics are pretty good and the controls are smooth, 8/10 Sonic's arms are not red.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:33
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NikkolasKing posted:(although I maintain that killing the horrible monsters who want to possess my PC's daughter and all my friends is not in any way a morally dubious action.) That's kinda the point. Everyone's acting in the way they believe is right (and is, within the confines of the assumptions they choose to believe and information made available or concealed from them), and that leads to repeated tragedy. The only things approaching good outcomes all stem from people compromising or sacrificing their own self-interest for the sake of others ie: Gestalt Yonah choosing to die rather than take her replicant counterpart away, Nier sacrificing his existence for Kaine.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:39
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NikkolasKing posted:I always liked the interpretation of Bowser as a freedom fighter for the masses, trying to liberate them from the tyrannical monarchy of the Toadstools. Yet at the same time he craves the affection of his authoritarian abusers. It's very tragic. This would work better if he didn't own, like, thirty castles of his own.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:46
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Motto posted:That's kinda the point. Everyone's acting in the way they believe is right (and is, within the confines of the assumptions they choose to believe and information made available or concealed from them), and that leads to repeated tragedy. The only things approaching good outcomes all stem from people compromising or sacrificing their own self-interest for the sake of others ie: Gestalt Yonah choosing to die rather than take her replicant counterpart away, Nier sacrificing his existence for Kaine. Ending D was so good. I mentioned thinking Nier was "okay" in my post and that's generally how I do feel about it. But that ending really made me realize why people on forums like this think Taro is a genius. It was very powerful and made such unique use of the medium.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:48
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FoldableHuman posted:This would work better if he didn't own, like, thirty castles of his own. He's middle class!
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Jan 28, 2018 19:48
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The Walker revirw of Monster Hunter was a more interesting read than most game reviews that just feel like a dry summary of gameplay features. We should get more reviews like it.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:48
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I’m fine with people saying that Walker is incorrect and that the framing of the game’s narrative makes the colonial elements within less of an issue. But I think it’s mistaken to argue that he’s just writing for clickbait or out of some other disingenuous motivation. Everything I’ve seen from Walker suggests that he’s entirely genuine in his stances.
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Jan 28, 2018 20:06
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Wheat Loaf posted:Sonic's arms are not red. They are blue, LIKE THE DEMOCRATS
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Jan 28, 2018 20:09
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Spark That Bled posted:From all of the internet parodies out there, I can only conclude that Peach and Bowser have a very tumultuous relationship. And Mario just ends up complicating things even more. Internet parodies? You do know the whole plot of Odyssey is Bowser planning a massive wedding for Peach and stealing only the best wedding dress, only the best wedding ring, and only the best wedding cake from various nations. And then Mario busts in, interrupting the wedding, and proposes to Peach himself. Why bother looking to parodies when the games themselves are saying the exact same thing? NikkolasKing posted:It's not a review but did you ever play the JRPG Nier? Not the sequel but the original one? I did a couple years ago and it was...okay. Anyway, I was comparing it to what I know of Spec Ops: The Line which is a game that gets criticized a lot for "the game is telling me to feel bad for doing things but I don't have any control over what I'm doing so why should I feel bad?" Nier does much the same. I felt that Spec Ops and Nier did two pretty different things. Spec Ops makes itself explicit that you're loving things up, at only maybe the earliest points of the game are you unaware of how badly the mission is going, but it makes sure you know that you are not solving any problems the further into the game you go. It's supposed to be a takedown of Call of Duty, where you're always justified in your actions so it's okay to kill hundreds of brown people. If you play Spec Ops in a bubble, and have never tried a Call of Duty, it doesn't hit as hard. Nier, on the other hand, plays more like Call of Duty for it's first runthrough, where you feel justified in your actions so it's okay to kill hundreds of mindless monsters. This doesn't change until, like, the last half hour of your first playthrough, where the game info dumps the twist that the shades were people the whole time. And that opens up your second playthrough, where now you can understand what the shades are saying, and you get more cutscenes giving their perspective on the fights you're in and why they feel justified in their actions. So while both games have similar messages (self-serving violence is destructive not only to the world around you but to yourself), they approach them in very different ways, one being very upfront and in your face about it and the other letting you believe you're in the right until the very end. Though it's probably due to the nature of their respective genres (one's an action RPG the other's a third person shooter) that they need to take these different approaches.
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Meinberg posted:I’m fine with people saying that Walker is incorrect and that the framing of the game’s narrative makes the colonial elements within less of an issue. But I think it’s mistaken to argue that he’s just writing for clickbait or out of some other disingenuous motivation. Everything I’ve seen from Walker suggests that he’s entirely genuine in his stances. I suppose that's so, and I'm fine with saying game criticism could be more than just the gameplay and all that. But why, then, have such a disprovable take.
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Jan 28, 2018 20:20
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SatansBestBuddy posted:Internet parodies? You do know the whole plot of Odyssey is Bowser planning a massive wedding for Peach and stealing only the best wedding dress, only the best wedding ring, and only the best wedding cake from various nations. And then Mario busts in, interrupting the wedding, and proposes to Peach himself. Why bother looking to parodies when the games themselves are saying the exact same thing? The parodies were around decades before the text caught up with them, though. Some would say that maybe the text was inspired by them? Or maybe everybody should have shut up and gone forward in time to see how this is all addressed in Odyssey.
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Hemingway To Go! posted:I suppose that's so, and I'm fine with saying game criticism could be more than just the gameplay and all that. But why, then, have such a disprovable take. It's not less disprovable than all the accusations of the dissonance between the serious plotline of GTA IV and the crazy armed rampages you can go on. Spark That Bled fucked around with this message at 20:59 on Jan 28, 2018 |
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Jan 28, 2018 20:23
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Yeah, Grand Theft 9 was pretty bad
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corn in the bible posted:They are blue, LIKE THE DEMOCRATS His arms are a peach skin tone, you fake nerd.
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Jan 28, 2018 20:56
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Puppy Time posted:Where are people "being made out as Bad Ones(tm)"? Like in this thread the consensus seems to be "Yeah, that's kinda bullshit." We are the Bad Ones™ now.
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Jan 28, 2018 21:03
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So now that BotL’s been banned, it’s safe to talk about Ready Player One again (hopefully) without the thread devolving into a pedantic shitshow. Because Mike Nelson and Conner Lastowka’s book club podcast on RP1, 372 Pages We’ll Never Get Back, has moved on to its sequel, Armada. Which is apparently considered to be Ernest Cline’s actually bad book. So if you thought RP1 was something, well then... I’ve been listening through it bit by bit since it was recommended here and it’s really fun, so I can’t wait to see what they’re gonna do with Armada.
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https://twitter.com/kirkhamilton/status/957676250654326784 I also saw this image, which seemed relevant, as someone mentioned something about protecting the environment in the games. 
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Jan 28, 2018 21:12
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The thing I like about the colonialism bit of that Monster Hunter review is that you could append it to the end of basically any RPG review and it'd work just as well and cause the same reaction. Does this mean it's bad criticism or does it mean all RPG protagonists are kinda hosed up if you think about it? I don't care. Probably both.
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Roth posted:The Walker revirw of Monster Hunter was a more interesting read than most game reviews that just feel like a dry summary of gameplay features. We should get more reviews like it. After watching the video review he did, I actually understand a bit more where Walker's coming from but man alive that text review is still kinda stretching it. The video review is insightful and thoughtful in a way that makes me wonder if he had to just drum some sorta editorial to meet a mandate on the site or something. The dissonance between the two is immense. Arcsquad12 posted:Let this guy do a colonialist reading of The Witcher franchise. Won't someone please think of the poor drowners and bilge hags? You may joke, but there's a lot you could read into The Witcher's setting w/r/t race relations and colonialism. Humans are the colonizers in that world and effectively enslaved and erased the Elves' cultures, pushed the Dwarves farther into the mountainous regions along with the Gnomish, etc. The prevailing superpower on The Continent is Nilfgaard, whose language, royal titles and manners derive from Elven society even though their ancestors brutally murdered them. There's legitimately a lot to unpack there.
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yeah The Witcher is possibly the worst possible example to pick of "heh wouldn't it be fuckin STUPID to read politics into this game?"
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Max Wilco posted:I also saw this image, which seemed relevant, as someone mentioned something about protecting the environment in the games. This is one of the major elements I was referring to when talking about the game's environmentalist message and I'm glad the wiki has it condensed in better words than I could have phrased it. nine-gear crow posted:So now that BotL’s been banned, it’s safe to talk about Ready Player One again (hopefully) without the thread devolving into a pedantic shitshow. Because Mike Nelson and Conner Lastowka’s book club podcast on RP1, 372 Pages We’ll Never Get Back, has moved on to its sequel, Armada. Which is apparently considered to be Ernest Cline’s actually bad book. So if you thought RP1 was something, well then... The part where they play the guessing game about which review is for Armada and which is for RP1 is just depressing. Also I love this podcast.
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CJacobs posted:The part where they play the guessing game about which review is for Armada and which is for RP1 is just depressing. Also I love this podcast. They do a Novel or Fanfic game in several episodes where they pull blind quotes from RP1 fanfics and put them against actual prose pulled from RP1 itself and holy poo poo are a lot of those fanfic quotes better written than the real books. Not by much, mind you but there’s a few that are objectively better.
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Conal Cochran posted:His arms are a peach skin tone, you fake nerd. 
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I feel really bad about the moral implications of fake animals in an alternate reality video game. Good for CWC, finally a part of Sonic canon 
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Leal posted:I feel really bad about the moral implications of fake animals in an alternate reality video game. Apparently that episode is a take on Misery by Stephen King, so it ends up at one point with Sonic strapped to a bed by the Chris-chan stand in Kathy Bates-style. It is not a flattering portrayal, and it only gets worse the more you actually know about CWC. So thanks for that DStecks, if you’re still reading this thread 
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nine-gear crow posted:They do a Novel or Fanfic game in several episodes where they pull blind quotes from RP1 fanfics and put them against actual prose pulled from RP1 itself and holy poo poo are a lot of those fanfic quotes better written than the real books. Not by much, mind you but there’s a few that are objectively better. My favorite part was them quoting that one forum post of "it's my birthday, so every fictional character shows up with everything ready for a huge party!" and Mike not knowing if it was fanfic or not.
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DoctorWhat posted:Monhun plots are loving nothing and the ludonarrative dissonance in them is off the charts. The reflexive, defensive refusal to take Walker's article in good faith proves the article's necessity. But it's just not a good argument
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