trucutru posted:

Holy poo poo piss!!!!

Quavers posted:

You this be CryTek's goal then, to cause a total freeze of Star Citizen's & Squadron 42's development, if even just for a few months?

Dementropy posted:

no_recall posted:

They don't even have a single star system in place. They currently have what seems to be a model of a planetary system (planet, and moons sans orbital mechanics) which doesn't even have all its elements in place. It's still far off for them to be actually thinking about multiple star systems at this point.

Reuben Sandwich posted:

They just can't ask for random stuff, it has to be specific items to the argument. Right? Could they ask for the actual sales figures to find the royalties?

Are depositions also part of the discovery process?

Could Derek be brought in as an expert witnes?

Toops posted:

I'm tired of deferred pleasure. I want blood.

Sidebar: What are the chances that, in discovery, larger crimes are discovered like fraud, larceny, embezzlement, etc? What's the score here, do those things have to be tried separately?

I'm not satisfied until people like Ortwin and Roberts are serving punitive penalties up to and including jail time in a federal pound me in the rear end prison.

Streetroller posted:

With 350-400 employees, 14 shell studios and 10 third-parties?
Not to mention, how many of these cowboys you think brought home their work?
a few months?!!
GOOD LUCK BROTHER

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

This is a pretty incredible showing from Lando. He's more or less making an impassioned defense of emotionally manipulative agitprop, seemingly without a touch of self-awareness. I always thought Lando was a bit more of a pusher than an abuser but it seems like he's been saving a few punch bowls of kool-aid for personal use.

A Neurotic Corncob posted:

This is a pretty incredible showing from Lando. He's more or less making an impassioned defense of emotionally manipulative agitprop, seemingly without a touch of self-awareness. I always thought Lando was a bit more of a pusher than an abuser but it seems like he's been saving a few punch bowls of kool-aid for personal use.

G0RF posted:

And after all of Lando’s whining about unrealistic expectations and his entreaties to people to watch their videos so they can get the personalities, the tone, the delivery styles of unique voices, he of course once again declares that they have embarked on the most ambitious gaming project ever blah blah blah.

He literally talks about being turned from Skeptic to Believer because he saw the passion of Chris Roberts on “Wingman’s Hangar”, and (get this), this is ten or fifteen minutes after saying that Wingman’s Hangar episodes had no substance because they hadn’t started building the game yet. “There is more content in one episode of Around the Verse than in all the episodes of Wingman’s Hangar.”

Okay, Lando, so you went from a Skeptic to a Believer from watching a show of no substance made by passionate people not making a game yet. That as your constructed narrative and why you want people to watch your shows today. To see the passion, hear the intimations, fall in love with personalities — you want all of that and to crow that you’re doing the never before attempted at scales never before successful and not even really worked out yet but for the love of all that is fair, please don’t have any specific expectations based on what you hear from us or our leader. Just like us, trust us, and give us money and we’ll get there together. Somehow. Eventually.

He just doesn’t get it.

boviscopophobic posted:

GamerMax (the "Could CIG fix health care?" guy) has a new video up where he says that he:

1) has no interest in Squadron 42
2) feels that SQ42 is not written very well (LOL)
3) hasn't played Star Citizen for over two weeks
4) won't come back before 3.1 and would actually prefer to wait 1.5-2 years before trying SC again
5) is scaling back his YouTube activities in favor of trying to get a full-time job (good idea!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ladI5exy8ys

boviscopophobic posted:

GamerMax (the "Could CIG fix health care?" guy) has a new video up where he says that he:

1) has no interest in Squadron 42
2) feels that SQ42 is not written very well (LOL)
3) hasn't played Star Citizen for over two weeks
4) won't come back before 3.1 and would actually prefer to wait 1.5-2 years before trying SC again
5) is scaling back his YouTube activities in favor of trying to get a full-time job (good idea!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ladI5exy8ys

G0RF posted:

Everywhere you look, you can see that which the year end funding surge contradicts. Gheesling cuts back on SC due to lack of action and in inconstant interest. Erris pleads for more Chris because he needs his faith renewed. Multiple streamers have expressed being tapped out financially and needing to spend money on more immediate needs. Twitch streamers are playing other games instead of 3.0. CIG skipping Gamescom. The real-time player counts are moribund.

The contraction is everywhere but the tracker.

Milky Moor posted:

Crytek must not settle.

The financials AMD letter must flow.

Raskolnikov posted:

It's like I was there.

G0RF posted:

And after all of Lando’s whining about unrealistic expectations and his entreaties to people to watch their videos so they can get the personalities, the tone, the delivery styles of unique voices, he of course once again declares that they have embarked on the most ambitious gaming project ever blah blah blah.

boviscopophobic posted:

Remember that the tracker was also moribund funding-wise before the anniversary fire sale brought it back into the realm of respectability (although still behind 2015 and 2016).

G0RF posted:

CIG approaches the year-end in an extremely vulnerable state. Without Herculean course-corrections, they face the very real prospects of ending the year with a marked decline in revenues. The development of both Star Citizen and Squadron 42 already appear victims of development hell — the absence (again) of Squadron 42 despite claims by Roberts (again) it was nearing release is bad enough. The ICU state of the prematurely born yet 10 months late 3.0 only darkens their optics further.

Putting aside whatever their short term financial needs are, the success of the Anniversary Sale is therefore of paramount symbolic importance. A narrative of declining fortunes and waning public demand is widely-presumed and already much discussed. It hasn’t yet become the lede for their story, yet the presumptions are widespread that such a chapter is due to begin in their tale — too much do they now resemble past archetypical development hell DOAs.

Given CIG’s absolute control without oversight of their sales ticker and given Chris Roberts complete ethical bankruptcy, does anyone seriously believe he would sit idly by and let organic demand as reflected by an honest tracker dictate his entire future? If private manipulations can escape the scrutiny of their backers and the media, postpone his overdue public reckoning and preserve the confidence of his most critical financial supporters, does anyone really believe this pathological deceiver would not pursue them?

As with every word that spatters and spittles out of his mouth, I just find that very hard to believe. If ever there was a time to bend truth towards his warped intentions, it is now. His need to preserve his colossal ego and the massive self-deluding distortion field that protects it from unvarnished reality has never been greater and where there’s a will, there’s a way.

The tracker is his last chance after an inarguably lousy year to tell the tale anew, and I believe Chris Roberts would move Heaven and Earth to ensure that the tale it will tell is the very same one no less than Daztek himself often repeats.

”Star Citizen is good.”

SPERMCUBE.ORG posted:

Any sufficiently ambitious kickstarter is indistinguishable from a scam. - Arthur C. Parpe

boviscopophobic posted:

GamerMax (the "Could CIG fix health care?" guy) has a new video up where he says that he:

1) has no interest in Squadron 42
2) feels that SQ42 is not written very well (LOL)
3) hasn't played Star Citizen for over two weeks
4) won't come back before 3.1 and would actually prefer to wait 1.5-2 years before trying SC again
5) is scaling back his YouTube activities in favor of trying to get a full-time job (good idea!)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ladI5exy8ys

Dusty Lens posted:

If you're in the back of a car and your dad says you're going to Disneyland but gets super irate when you say he missed the Disneyland offramp and he starts shouting about how you're going somewhere better than Disneyland and better than you could ever hope for and far better than anything that rear end in a top hat Peterson who used to date your mom could ever do and now that stupid whore is trying to take everything from him in the courts.

Well.

You're probably not actually going to somewhere better than Disneyland.

AlbieQuirky posted:

You're going to a bar. Again.

boviscopophobic posted:

Remember that the tracker was also moribund funding-wise before the anniversary fire sale brought it back into the realm of respectability (although still behind 2015 and 2016). I think the number of new citizen accounts made in 2017 is probably lower than 2014 and maybe even 2013, although I would need to check. These phenomena might be consistent with the loss of mindshare among the public and more casual backers, causing CIG/RSI to lean even more on the heavily invested whalebase. This will work until it doesn't.

G0RF posted:

Lando talks about another start of year Big Summit...

Jake Ross spoke memorably of the CIG LA Big Summit that set that year’s agenda and priorities. There doesn’t appear to be a bigger plan than what gets worked up each January to last them until December.

Later quote:

“We’re trying very, very hard not to get you guys’ hopes up.”

Lando laments the burden of meeting backers expectations (that Chris helps set...)

(but at Ubernerd’s hilarious reaction... He looks like Orson Wells performing Donald Sutherland’s final shot in Invasion of the Body Snatchers.)

Oh my lord this is just insane. Insane that he’s bristling about this. You can’t profit from selling the hope and then cry foul when you deliver the ‘nope!’ and people call you out for it, Lando!

It’s called basic accountability and if Chris had a conscience about your ill-gotten gains you'd feel shame for it. I mean get serious man— you’ve raised a Rockstar Level budget, you talk smack about AAA publishers and say “come at us!”, and then you want to bemoan people judging your delivery record against your own stated targets? Get over yourselves. You want the freedom to be haughty, bold and ambitious, right? Then how on earth can you expect to be measured gently, tenderly, cautiously?

Chris Roberts — YOUR SPOKEMAN — set the unrealistic expectations you chafe against. You’re mad because people are parsing your newer content for features some Dev said would be in 3.2 when it might not be? Guess what? Chris set the original 3.2 expectations a year and a half ago. And you reaped a fortune from that, remember? And then you guys delivered 1/4th of Chris’s 3.0 a year late in an unplayable state and 3.1, 3.2, 3.3 all got pushed back and they’re still getting pushed back because you keep changing your targets and have no fixed plans. Maybe you should give back 75% of the money you earned off the back of that Hype before you whine about being held accountable for falling short.

Yes it’s a double edged sword Lando, maybe Chris should stop gripping it by the blade and then complaining when you cut yourselves swinging it.

Listen to him talking about how they want to be judged on style not just substance. Don’t take my summary of it for granted — hear it in his own words. He’s complaining about things being lost in summarization and via subjective parsing. Hear it for yourselves and make your own judgments.