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BiggerBoat posted:What? So... it would have been more reasonable as a 3rd-date movie at the time? This did come out in '76, I'm wondering whether it's coming out weirder than the creators wanted because of the different mores.
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Even in recent years we've had waves of porn chic where it became sort of 'cool' for men and women to be casual about porn/kink/etc. for a lot of different reasons, too. I don't recall a vibe that it was cool in the 80s or early 90s, even with home video access making it a bit more accessible and private, but by the mid-90s it seems like a cycle of porn chic would start to wax and wane to various degrees every handful of years.
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There's a lot that's come out about the early drafts of the Little House books that show very clearly that pioneer life was hosed UP. Laura helped the family financially by living with a woman who was ill and helping her keep house. At one point she woke up to find the woman's husband drunk and standing over her bed and he refused to leave until Laura threatened to scream and alert his wife. She was about nine years old. Another thing that didn't make it into the books was the year the Ingalls family lived in Iowa. At one point they ran a hotel that had gunshots in the door where the owner's son had drunkenly shot at his wife as she ran from him. The son's punishment was that his father took him further west to try to dry him out. (He might be one of the men in Little Town on the Prairie who walks drunkenly down the street kicking in screen doors; the other man, T. P. Pryor, was actually Mary Power's father with his name changed to hide that fact.) The books are excellent in many ways but they were purposely cleaned up for children and to further Wilder's and Lane's political beliefs. SEX BURRITO posted:Lol, I looked up Rose Wilder and apparently she helped found the American Libertarian movement. So there's book after book about your mother almost starving to death, not being able to afford medical care, and the family almost going bankrupt to pay for school for your blind aunt to go to school, and yet your politics go THAT way? The whole thing would make a great Cracked.com article if that whole site hadn't gone to crap.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:This reminds me of a "looking back" section of the local newspaper of record I read drat. King Priam was centuries before his time.
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Jan 28, 2018 19:21
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Samovar posted:drat. King Priam was centuries before his time.
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trickybiscuits posted:This was Troy, New York, before the city started getting all gentrified and I find it pretty believable. (My dad did his post-doc at RPI and when my mom first saw the city she cried. Then she found out that all the other wives of graduate students also cried when they first saw the city.) Wow. Remember when it made sense both financially and emotionally for people to be married before entering grad school?
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trickybiscuits posted:This was Troy, New York, before the city started getting all gentrified and I find it pretty believable. (My dad did his post-doc at RPI and when my mom first saw the city she cried. Then she found out that all the other wives of graduate students also cried when they first saw the city.)
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DACK FAYDEN posted:I once heard Troy described as "the armpit of New York" and that description has stuck with me for over half my life. Hey, that's where I work! 
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New Jersey is the armpit of New York. Troy, like all places north of Westchester County, is just Southern Canada.
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I'm rewatching Burn Notice because it was a fun series until it wasn't, but some of these musical cues are pretty drat bad. Like, sub-opening act for Limp Bizkit bad. Person of Interest, on the other hand, has amazing musical drops (made amazing use out of Johnny Cash's Hurt), although being so technologically focused sorta instantly dates it. The changes in phones from season 1 to 6 is pretty fun.
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Absurd Alhazred posted:So... it would have been more reasonable as a 3rd-date movie at the time? This did come out in '76, I'm wondering whether it's coming out weirder than the creators wanted because of the different mores. No. It came out exactly as Scorcese intended. To show Travis as a lonely, awkward detached sociopath. I don;t ever remember that scene being real complicated tbh.
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I thought the point of that scene was to show that Travis's girlfriend was a prude
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JediTalentAgent posted:But the 80s through very early 2000s seemed like the golden age of the R rating. You could still make and release a relatively large budget R-rated film or an extremely raunchy (or just mature) comedy, drama or horror flick get theatrical releases, get critiqued, have a lot of different audiences in mind, do good business. It is weird how little some movies made. Blood Simple made $1.6 million, Highlander netted 6 million and made less than Highlander 3. Halloween: H2O made more than the original Halloween (even accounting for inflation). And then there's The Exorcist which made almost a billion dollars adjusted for inflation. And Blazing Saddles made almost half a billion in 2017 dollars.
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Why would you expect Blood Simple to have made a lot of money? 🤷♀️
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Punkin Spunkin posted:Why would you expect Blood Simple to have made a lot of money? 🤷♀️ Not a lot of money, Coen Brothers films usually don’t make much. But considering it’s legacy I was surprised it made so little.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Not a lot of money, Coen Brothers films usually don’t make much. But considering it’s legacy I was surprised it made so little. Does Blood Simple even have that much of a legacy? I feel like nobody other than Coen nerds has ever watched it and I don’t think it’s particularly influential.
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Ein cooler Typ posted:I thought the point of that scene was to show that Travis's girlfriend was a prude lmao Talk about missing the point
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BiggerBoat posted:No, I think your'e supposed to find the scene creepy and weird because it's basically their first date (aside from the coffee and pie scene) and taking her to a porno movie shows Travis' total lack of social skills. This is definitely the point of that scene. I think that unfortunately it falls flat for most of us because we're too young to realize that up until the 90's Time's Square was very much a red-light district. New York City (and I suspect a lot of other cities actually) were real shitholes until the 90's when there was a major push to clean them up. There's a lot of anachronism like that scene in Taxi Driver now because of that. It's like how Predator 2 shows what everyone thought our cities would become by 2000.
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Maybe not an episode that aged badly, but watching Community season 6 again it really is just kind of dripping with apathy. There are good moments, even good episodes, but overall it's obvious Harmon didn't want to be there. At certain points it even feels downright resentful. The peak has to be the one episode involving Britta's parents. Basically, Britta tells all her friends her parents are awful. She then finds out her friends have all secretly been friends with them for years. She tries to tell them her parents treated her badly, but her friends (and by extension, ours)) respond by saying "you're crazy, stop being crazy". This is also a show that alludes to Britta being sexually molested as a child a couple of times. At the end of the episode, after a breakdown, Britta "accepts" her parents are okay after being pressured by her friends to "get over it". The whole thing seems ill-conceived or maybe like they missed the mark of what they were aiming for. It feels really uncomfortable. The weirdest part is I talked to Harmon about this very episode. His response was "Yeah, you're right, I agree". I couldn't really tell if he meant he regretted the episode, it's execution or if he just wanted the group to come across as assholes.
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Calico Heart posted:Maybe not an episode that aged badly, but watching Community season 6 again it really is just kind of dripping with apathy. There are good moments, even good episodes, but overall it's obvious Harmon didn't want to be there. At certain points it even feels downright resentful. i don't disagree, and that's been my least favorite episode as i've finally started watching through the last two seasons, but to be fair they sort of handwave it away with "well, we used to be awful, but now we're better!" which is not really any better but makes the whole thing marginally less gaslighty (but still not good)
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Henchman of Santa posted:Does Blood Simple even have that much of a legacy? I feel like nobody other than Coen nerds has ever watched it and I don’t think it’s particularly influential. I mean, it's considered one of the best modern film noir movies and got a Criterion collection reissue. It must have been a cheap film to buy rights to, because I remember it being on early HBO like all the time. So maybe I got more exposure to it than is typical.
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Krispy Wafer posted:A couple of 'good' movies were rated X, like Last Tango in Paris. Granted, someone legit got sexually assaulted in that movie soooooo maybe that isn't a good example. Are you referring the rape in the movie or something else? Here is a quote from the actress, it seems like she didn't know the scene was going to be in the movie and did not want to do the scene. But she wasn't actually assaulted. Both the director and Brando said the scene was simulated. Or is the implication that they're both lying? They only told me about it before we had to film the scene and I was so angry. I should have called my agent or had my lawyer come to the set because you can't force someone to do something that isn't in the script, but at the time, I didn't know that. Marlon said to me: 'Maria, don't worry, it's just a movie', but during the scene, even though what Marlon was doing wasn't real, I was crying real tears. I felt humiliated and to be honest, I felt a little raped, both by Marlon and by Bertolucci. After the scene, Marlon didn't console me or apologise. Thankfully, there was just one take.
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Henchman of Santa posted:Does Blood Simple even have that much of a legacy? I feel like nobody other than Coen nerds has ever watched it and I don’t think it’s particularly influential. It was their very first movie; I think it's overshadowed by Raising Arizona and Barton Fink (I don't know how well-known or remembered Miller's Crossing is).
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bamhand posted:Are you referring the rape in the movie or something else? Pretty drat sure that forcing someone to do something sexual on film that they don't want to do, even "simulated", is clearly sexual assault.
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bamhand posted:Are you referring the rape in the movie or something else? I very carefully used the term sexual assault rather than rape. I think the script called for a simulated rape scene, but she wasn't raped/penetrated. But they were trying to elicit a 'real' reaction and pushed her in a direction she didn't expect or agree to. I think that's pretty solidly in sexual assault territory. Wheat Loaf posted:It was their very first movie; I think it's overshadowed by Raising Arizona and Barton Fink (I don't know how well-known or remembered Miller's Crossing is). Miller's Crossing is one of their niche films, which is a shame. Albert Finney walking down the street blasting a tommy gun in his house slippers is some drat fine film making.
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After rewatching That 70's Show if definitely hasn't aged well. Half of it is I'm not in middle-school anymore so a lot of the problems come down to "ugh you're 18 just talk to the other person". But there are random moments that are pretty good. Red Foreman overall holds up, he meets his gay neighbors and learns to accept them until he finds out they're Minnesota Vikings fans.
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Wheat Loaf posted:It was their very first movie; I think it's overshadowed by Raising Arizona and Barton Fink (I don't know how well-known or remembered Miller's Crossing is). Miller's Crossing is beloved by film nerds but I think Raising Arizona is the only pre-Fargo movie of theirs that has much of a mainstream fanbase. I always forget about RA when thinking of them though.
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EmmyOk posted:I watched the first season of community and I still regret it I was rewatching it recently. And to me, it is still the greatest first season of a TV comedy. I remember watching this with Parks and Rec season 2 in the same hour, it was bliss.
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GoutPatrol posted:I was rewatching it recently. And to me, it is still the greatest first season of a TV comedy. I remember watching this with Parks and Rec season 2 in the same hour, it was bliss. That one year when The Office was still solid, 30Rock was airing, community was on and Parks&Rec was finally hitting the right spots was great. I mean I was from europe and never watched them in one block anyway, but that was a great lineup.
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Zedd posted:That one year when The Office was still solid, 30Rock was airing, community was on and Parks&Rec was finally hitting the right spots was great. And all 3 of those combined probably had fewer viewers than a Big Bang Theory rerun.
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Krispy Wafer posted:Miller's Crossing is one of their niche films, which is a shame. Albert Finney walking down the street blasting a tommy gun in his house slippers is some drat fine film making.
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Inspector Gesicht posted:Doesn't help that Hyde's actor is a real-life sex-offender. Oh yeah that too.
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"Well drat, Jackie,I can't control the weather" always makes me laugh.
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Calico Heart posted:Maybe not an episode that aged badly, but watching Community season 6 again it really is just kind of dripping with apathy. There are good moments, even good episodes, but overall it's obvious Harmon didn't want to be there. At certain points it even feels downright resentful. By the third season it was clear the writers didn’t have many ideas left for Britta, and once Pierce and Shirley were written out she was pretty much bottom of the barrel. Trying to have a romance between Annie, who only became old enough to drink in season two, and Jeff was hosed up.
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:By the third season it was clear the writers didn’t have many ideas left for Britta, and once Pierce and Shirley were written out she was pretty much bottom of the barrel. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3MA2oEBGQ2A
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LIVE AMMO ROLEPLAY posted:By the third season it was clear the writers didn’t have many ideas left for Britta, and once Pierce and Shirley were written out she was pretty much bottom of the barrel. Britta was awful in season 3 - they dumbed her down to try and make her romance with Troy work. Something good season four actually did w\s smarten her up a bit, and thankfully that at least lasted throughout the rest of the show. To me Season 6 has a quality of mocking itself that Rick and Morty also has. Very often there's a joke where the punchline is something like "lol, we really did that", and it's almost at the shows expense (the purge episode of Rick and Morty ends by laughing at how Morty's character continuity has been hosed up). It's the kinda humour where it can be funny but really keeps me from actually caring about a show.
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EmmyOk posted:"Well drat, Jackie,I can't control the weather" always makes me laugh. That 70's show isn't great, but it has a weird special enduring quality to me for some reason. I have a lot of fond memories of being unemployed and watching it at 11pm. Do not ask me why I remember it fondly like that, I just do. Weirdly I didn't see more than 3 episodes during the initial run
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