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Tias posted:translated from their actual statement: Hey Tias, I'm kinda curious - presumably others have been bombarding them with the Good Samaritan and other Biblical quotes in this thread that directly contradict that. Any idea what their response to the Good Samaritan is?
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Howdy, fam-in-Christ Nirvikalpa! Please let us join in fellowship as our brother Jesus of Nazareth taught how. For me personally, the division between any two believers in Christ bums me out severely. But I've learned to sublimate that sadness into how I want to live my life (and how I request for the Lord's aid), which is with the admiration and affection for the God in each person that Jesus still manages to instill in me, a sinner.
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Jan 30, 2018 09:14
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this thread has two modes: 100% chill and murderous slapfight. you've gotten us on one of the chill days
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Jan 30, 2018 09:18
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HEY GUNS posted:this thread has two modes: 100% chill and murderous slapfight. This is 100% true and I say this as very much a part of the secondary part of the statement.
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Jan 30, 2018 09:20
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much like cats
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Yasss, purrrrrTomn posted:Hey Tias, I'm kinda curious - presumably others have been bombarding them with the Good Samaritan and other Biblical quotes in this thread that directly contradict that. Any idea what their response to the Good Samaritan is? More or less they appeal to their authority as long-time priests and respected theologicians. Marie Krarup whom I quoted is part of the "Tidehverv" (roughly translates as "(an) Epoch") movement, that her dad and a couple of other really old established protestant pastors established in 1926 as a counter-reformation movement. So it was originally about anti-modern christian resistance, but all the old members are also horrible racists and were founding members of both the Progress Party and the Danish People's Party. All these years people have heard your criticisms many times before, and have still managed to wedge out a small but dedicated following of christians, who come from the same revivalist currents as themselves and agree with their anti-modern and strict lutheran views, and a much larger body of political followers in the very racist Danish public discourse. At least to their christian followers, they are taken seriously when they say "thy neighbour" is equal to the close, regional, familial and national tribal community. Not only because of the xenophobia and brainwashing common to these groups, but also because they have been at this forever and are pretty good at escaping serious debate by ridiculing and trash talking other priests and politicians. It's pretty incredolous to me, and I live in it  HEY GUNS posted:nothing's stopping you, just go find a volcano god and worship it Yeah, we're going to need some million worshippers and some devotion towards healing the earth hitherto unseen. Considering the odds of that happening, perhaps we need to sacrifice some dudes to it again Tias fucked around with this message at 10:19 on Jan 30, 2018 |
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Jan 30, 2018 09:27
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I'm always chill  HEY GUNS posted:nothing's stopping you, just go find a volcano god and worship it While we (i.e. both Catholics and Orthodox) have St Januarius, patron saint of volcanic eruptions to pray to - also the patron saint of Naples by the way, where thrice every year his normally congealed blood miraculously re-liquifies 
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Jan 30, 2018 09:35
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System Metternich posted:I'm always chill quote:While we (i.e. both Catholics and Orthodox) have St Januarius, patron saint of volcanic eruptions to pray to - also the patron saint of Naples by the way, where thrice every year his normally congealed blood miraculously re-liquifies tias, go pray to st. januarius
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Jan 30, 2018 09:37
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Ask a Pastor’s kid anything. Go.
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Jan 30, 2018 10:08
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Supervolcanoes are pretty hardcore - one almost eradicated humanity 70.000 years ago (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toba_catastrophe_theory) and many smaller eruptions seem to correlate with 'years without summer' - years with very cold weather, usually followed by famines and epidemics. So a prayer to St. Januarius is always a good idea.
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Jan 30, 2018 10:36
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AutisticAwl posted:Ask a Pastor’s kid anything. Go. What sorta denomination? How did everyday life in your family differ from other families? Did you have many unannounced visitors who wanted to talk to your dad/mum about whatever?
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AutisticAwl posted:Ask a Pastor’s kid anything. Go. How's it going?
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Tias posted:you guys I'm having a crisis of faith. I'm taking geography 101 and learning about the Yellowstone caldera, and what it and the other volcanoes are going to do someday. HEY GUNS posted:nothing's stopping you, just go find a volcano god and worship it Tias posted:Considering the odds of that happening, perhaps we need to sacrifice some dudes to it again The last book I read from the library was Death in Yellowstone. Trust me, lots of people (and a number of dogs) have been sacrificed to the volcano god of Yellowstone over the decades. 
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System Metternich posted:St Januarius, patron saint of volcanic eruptions to pray to - also the patron saint of Naples by the way quote:[Naples] lies between two notable volcanic regions, Mount Vesuvius and the Campi Flegrei (en: Phlegraean Fields).
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Jan 30, 2018 15:24
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AutisticAwl posted:Ask a Pastor’s kid anything. Go. What is your opinion on silly hats?
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Jan 30, 2018 15:43
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HEY GUNS posted:this thread has two modes: 100% chill and murderous slapfight. this thread really commits to the whole forgiveness thing, serious disagreements and all
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we're like the church of the holy sepulcher except the non-christian is fighting instead of holding the keys to the thread
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Jan 30, 2018 15:59
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We can talk (probably) fallen theologician history in here, right? Tell me if it's inappropriate. I just came across the story of Uppsala theology student Daniel Salthenius, who made a pact with the devil to help him with his studies, exactly 300 years ago today. The blood contract was found by his classmates and he was tried for heresy in court. The judge deemed him so young (18) so that the death penalty should not apply in his case. He was imprisoned for ten years to live on bread and water. He ended up at Königsberg’s university as a professor in theology and when he died in 1750 he owned the largest private library in Prussia- 22 000 volumes, 300 bibles, 1500 books on exegesis, and 6000 manuscripts. Photo of the contract with the devil: 
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Jan 30, 2018 16:52
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Tias posted:We can talk (probably) fallen theologician history in here, right? Tell me if it's inappropriate. What a weird find. I wonder if one can confess or be forgiven such an act -if such an act is even possible in how we traditionally conceive of it.
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Ceciltron posted:What a weird find. I wonder if one can confess or be forgiven such an act -if such an act is even possible in how we traditionally conceive of it. *looks at his student loans* Uh, no, of course not. How silly!
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Tuxedo Catfish posted:*looks at his student loans* Burning down Mammon's temples and sacking the altars of greed would free many souls, I agree.
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Ceciltron posted:What a weird find. I wonder if one can confess or be forgiven such an act -if such an act is even possible in how we traditionally conceive of it. I read about a mother superior who successfully took a boy's soul back from the Devil on the premise that he was too young to make that contract legitimate when I was writing an old term paper on the tribulations of women religious in catholic history. So I guess that suggests it's possible, especially in a case of foolish youth. In general in matters of the Devil, it is important to remember that when Christ was tested in the desert, it isn't that he could not have passed the tests of power that the tempter offered him, it's that he knew he didn't need to. God is enormously beyond the power of evil. If Christ can redeem the sins of all of mankind, then it stands to follow that an earnest recanting of an attempt to make a pact with evil would be redeemed and forgiven, too.
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Night10194 posted:I read about a mother superior who successfully took a boy's soul back from the Devil on the premise that he was too young to make that contract legitimate when I was writing an old term paper on the tribulations of women religious in catholic history. So I guess that suggests it's possible, especially in a case of foolish youth. I feel this is most certainly correct, and that the evil have probably put a lot of effort into convincing people of the inviolability of contracts.
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One of the most awesome things I was introduced to about good old Satan was back in college, when my literature professor (who was great) pointed out that it isn't that Satan in Paradise Lost is some heroic, noble rebel; he's a spiteful, petty monster out to ruin creation because his rebellion failed completely and utterly. He simply knows the language of heroism and knows how to use it to frame his petty, small endeavor as a grand epic. I know that's fiction and not liturgy, but I feel like it's a wonderful way of thinking about evil in its contests with God. It thinks it's making more progress than it is, and it knows how to lie about itself well enough to convince itself it is something else as well as fooling the reader if it can.
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You could probably make a case that Christ's sacrifice was made necessary because, broadly speaking, all of humanity had a deal with the Devil.
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Jan 30, 2018 17:36
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System Metternich posted:What sorta denomination? How did everyday life in your family differ from other families? Did you have many unannounced visitors who wanted to talk to your dad/mum about whatever? We are evangelical. My life differs a lot from many other kids growing up. Every Sunday since birth, I’m up at 6:45 going to church, setting up everything. Not a whole a lot of unannounced visitors coming to my house to talk to my parents, unless it’s urgent counseling. It’s more like urgent help needed somewhere. For example, last week, a member of our church went through divorce with an abusive wife. So my dad left at 2AM to go talk and pray with the dude.
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Jan 30, 2018 18:01
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Worthleast posted:What is your opinion on silly hats? Depends on the “silly hats” your talking about.
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Caufman posted:How's it going? Pretty good.
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Ceciltron posted:What a weird find. I wonder if one can confess or be forgiven such an act -if such an act is even possible in how we traditionally conceive of it. Aren't some of you people praying for demons and poo poo? A lot of badass christians are forgiving them so hard right now  pidan posted:That said I really hope the theologian Tias mentioned broke that contract eventually and is in heaven now. Or purgatory I guess. We shall have to assume the preussian court mages found some way to serve the demon in court.
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docbeard posted:You could probably make a case that Christ's sacrifice was made necessary because, broadly speaking, all of humanity had a deal with the Devil. And, as a teacher told a group I was part of and that was interested what such deals with the Devil would be: you can't bargain away what isn't yours. If you make such a deal, it's void to begin with, since your soul is already paid for with blood of Christ.
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It's never wise to make contracts with mythological figures. But in order to make some sort of deal with the devil, you'd have to show not only that the devil exists as some sort of actual being you can make contracts with, but also that the devil agreed to the terms of the contract, and how do you show that?
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Jan 30, 2018 18:48
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Ceciltron posted:evil have probably put a lot of effort into convincing people of the inviolability of contracts. Libertarians?
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Look, I clearly wrote the name of the corporate stand-in for me on this gold-fringed contract, and so, under admiralty law, you are entitled to the soul of that fictional construct but not to my free and sovereign soul.
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Epicurius posted:It's never wise to make contracts with mythological figures. But in order to make some sort of deal with the devil, you'd have to show not only that the devil exists as some sort of actual being you can make contracts with, but also that the devil agreed to the terms of the contract, and how do you show that? I've always thought of the whole thing as being more perilous because you're showing you'd be open to making a deal with ultimate evil for temporal gain, rather than because there's a direct and literal fallen angel happily bargaining for human souls. Besides, everyone knows Satan was the Lord's court prosecutor back in OT days.
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Night10194 posted:I've always thought of the whole thing as being more perilous because you're showing you'd be open to making a deal with ultimate evil for temporal gain, rather than because there's a direct and literal fallen angel happily bargaining for human souls. Yeah, I think I know what you mean. When it comes to making a deal with the devil, I don't think that Satan is actually offering you anything. He's just tempting you, so he can narc on you to God
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Senju Kannon posted:we're like the church of the holy sepulcher except the non-christian is fighting instead of holding the keys to the thread
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Tias posted:We can talk (probably) fallen theologician history in here, right? Tell me if it's inappropriate.
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Ceciltron posted:What a weird find. I wonder if one can confess or be forgiven such an act -if such an act is even possible in how we traditionally conceive of it.
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Epicurius posted:It's never wise to make contracts with mythological figures. But in order to make some sort of deal with the devil, you'd have to show not only that the devil exists as some sort of actual being you can make contracts with, but also that the devil agreed to the terms of the contract, and how do you show that?
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