Renegret posted:

Factorio has a grand total of 17 devs. Plus I'm pretty sure most of them are newish additions.

And it's 17 people who know what they're doing.

It was also playable, stable, and, you know, fun, starting from day one.

Renegret posted:

Factorio has a grand total of 17 devs. Plus I'm pretty sure most of them are newish additions.

And it's 17 people who know what they're doing.

It was also playable, stable, and, you know, fun, starting from day one.

Renegret posted:

And it only costs $20.

Everyone needs to play Factorio.

Beet Wagon posted:

Something something nine women can't make a baby in one month.

But also,

It's good for CIG to hire more staff because they'll get more done quicker, and they can effectively work for 24 hours a day.

Pick whichever one best alleviates your complaint about CIG at this time.

trucutru posted:

You know, I haven't been paying attention to the reddit for a while since it's just the same bunch of guys telling stuff they made up to each other but I got curious and, well...

... yeah

Rugganovich posted:

That's why you're surreptitiously refereed to as the edgelord.

Hav posted:

Backed the hell out of it back then, too, because they knew their scope and completely failed to turn it into a first person shooter.

A better example would be Subnautica, a 3d sub-sea exploration game with a storyline and vague pretensions to an ecology that suffered slightly from limitations of he engine. The earlier deformation gameplay was removed because it would make save games loving enormous, for example.

They were noted for keeping a Trello board up of development during the development time, and kept to an aggressive schedule of releases, but did not, _strangely enough_, add a squad-based stealth level halfway through development for *reasons*.

Cherry-picking random metrics and trying to construct an argument it is really funny, because SC is multi-layered fail. It's *not* the most transparent development if you're obfuscating development. Some of us use Jira daily, and you can tease some decent agile views out of that, but they would be *accurate*. They *have* been infested with scope creep; not only during the stretch goal bonanza, but after that funding round closed, they kept collecting. No doubt you've heard of the DLC concept to extend the life of a game, they've pioneered Pre-DLC to fund the development of the game. If they don't have cash reserves and a _plan_, they've created a 'Roberts', which is a Ponzi where the payout is .... <stops for laughter> ... a game.


Factory lines can be soothing.

Renegret posted:

Your dog is the loving best I want to pet that dog so bad

orcane posted:

Let's look at a much, much simpler game as an example: Factorio.

Factorio started development in 2012, and went early access in 2014. It's probably going to reach 1.0 some time this year, giving 6 years total development.

Now consider that Factorio is a very simple 2D game, with very few mechanics. Larger and more complex projects always take more time regardless of how many people work on them; significant parts of development are inherently serial & cannot be sped up for any amount of money.

I'd expect the kickstarter version of SC to take around 6-8 years to produce, and the current scope-crept version to take 8-12 depending on what gets cut. If they cut almost everything out and rush as much as possible they could probably release a decent game in late 2019. They won't do that, so I expect something on the upper range of the timescale, more in the 2022-2024 range. Perhaps later, if they keep scope creeping.

iospace posted:

I heard it's over.

Source:

Angels.

They're dancing.

orcane posted:

Let's look at a much, much simpler game as an example: Factorio.

Factorio started development in 2012, and went early access in 2014. It's probably going to reach 1.0 some time this year, giving 6 years total development.

Now consider that Factorio is a very simple 2D game, with very few mechanics. Larger and more complex projects always take more time regardless of how many people work on them; significant parts of development are inherently serial & cannot be sped up for any amount of money.

I'd expect the kickstarter version of SC to take around 6-8 years to produce, and the current scope-crept version to take 8-12 depending on what gets cut. If they cut almost everything out and rush as much as possible they could probably release a decent game in late 2019. They won't do that, so I expect something on the upper range of the timescale, more in the 2022-2024 range. Perhaps later, if they keep scope creeping.

stingtwo posted:

Time and time again, backers keep going on about "this game is took x years to develop and it's amazing balls, so star citizen with all it's delays will be great, ignoring about a 100 games that were delayed due to revisions/restarts that were poo poo.

Honest question, after 6 years of development, are you happy that star citizen is pretty much 4 minigames that someone could make over a weekend and shove onto steam for $5 just for jim sterling to mock.

iospace posted:

What did DNF finally cap out at?

Beet Wagon posted:

Colostomy Bag posted:

Factorio's Friday blogs are good reading. Amazing how much more effective they are then some over produced weekly show.

Hav posted:

In the last 500 years, etc.

Beet Wagon posted:

Something something nine women can't make a baby in one month.

But also,

It's good for CIG to hire more staff because they'll get more done quicker, and they can effectively work for 24 hours a day.

Pick whichever one best alleviates your complaint about CIG at this time.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

Is he wearing a car harness? If so pro tier dog ownership right there.

trucutru posted:

You're a bigger tease than Derek, where is the link?

TheAgent posted:

Well, it turns out that a lot of people are only in this for the RMT and are losing their loving minds. One person I know has almost $75,000 worth of digital items they are trying to sell -- but the market isn't biting. That amount isn't uncommon, either; several sellers are listing items for upwards for $10,000 or $20,000.

TheAgent posted:

If you didn't know, both Star Citizen's and Shroud's marketing ideas come directly from Turbulent; sorry, Sandi.

Beet Wagon posted:

No, I'm a bad dog owner and let him just hang out on his own back there

I really should get him a car harness though.

Hav posted:

Edit: More seriously, who _isn't_ attempting to launder money through games these days.

Beer4TheBeerGod posted:

This is the one I got Sophie (my pit mix) and it works really well.

quote:

A crowdfunding backer of Retro Computers Ltd has won his court claim for a refund against the company for failing to deliver its promised product.

The court also ruled that Indiegogo’s terms and conditions were not relevant to the claim.

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"That document is important in my view for this reason: it says 'this order'. Not 'this pledge' but 'this order' has been successfully added to your campaign," said the judge. "That would appear to be something that was probably in my view provided by Indiegogo but there’s no clarification of that. It makes it clear, 'this is an order'. This was successfully added to your campaign. This is the information that was provided to the claimant at the time."

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The judge ruled that an implied contract of sale had been formed between Morton and RCL, and that RCL had breached the contract by failing to deliver the Vega Plus that Morton paid for.