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I know a guy from Cuba. He's... not a fan.
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Did the commies take away his dad's plantation?
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Jan 31, 2018 19:08
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Jan 31, 2018 19:10
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look im pretty sure Cuba doesn't have better life expectancy than all the capitalist states in South and Central America because of a lack of civil liberties (how are those looking under capitalism these days btw?)
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Jan 31, 2018 19:16
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B33rChiller posted:Probably a few other assorted firearms offences they could throw in there too. Come to think of it, are they not charging him with other offenses at the same time as murder? I can't find the exact case law on this, just a news editorial but there was this incident where 3 people were firebombing a firearm instructors house, after he shot at them he was subsequently charged with careless use of a firearm, pointing a firearm and two charges of careless storage of a firearm. Honestly I think its kind of disgusting how the process of law was used in that case trying to get someone convicted when he was responding to an attack on him and his house. The court case went on for almost 3 years while the arsonists only got jailed for 2-3 years. I honestly don't know enough about the Saskatchewan shooting to comment on what is right. But the Crown should only be approving charges that stand a reasonable chance of conviction otherwise it just ties up the courts, and we have to deal with people getting charges stayed because it takes too long to get them in court. So hopefully if they avoided firearm stuff they decided there isn't enough evidence to convict on those charges.
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Jan 31, 2018 19:22
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CRTC opened up comments re: Bell trying to block websites. https://www.reddit.com/r/canada/comments/7u7bov/the_crtc_has_posted_their_form_for_public/dtii7mt/?st=jd3ar210&sh=f7a32619 Some quotes: quote:The Commission would identify these piracy sites after receiving a recommendation from a new independent organization established by the Commission (the “Independent Piracy Review Agency” or “IPRA”). The role of the IPRA would be to consider applications by rightsholders and other interested parties (“applicants”) seeking to add a site to the list of piracy sites to which access must be disabled. It would review evidence submitted by the applicant, the websites, ISPs, and other interested parties, including in an oral hearing if appropriate, and would make recommendations to the Commission. The Commission would consider the evidence and these recommendations and, if approved, would require and authorize ISPs to disable access to these piracy sites. quote:It's the same argument we saw against music piracy with Napster and against video game piracy with IRC/FTP servers back in the day. Their content is too expensive and/or too annoying to access. Both those industries have solved this issue by adapting to the market. Our domestic BDUs do not want to adapt or invest in competitive services. tl;dr scare tactics, outright lies and other bullshit. https://services.crtc.gc.ca/pub/CommentForm/Default-Defaut.aspx?lang=e&EN=201800467&ET=A&S=O&PA=T&PT=A&PST=A&FN=
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Jan 31, 2018 19:22
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It is 2018 and "can we block a website" is being presented as a serious question to a content control issue.
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Jan 31, 2018 19:26
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Haha, I guess you've never protested anything in Canada if you think people getting detained without charge, or investigations and\or preventative arrests of "trouble-makers" before protests, is a civil right that is never impugned. I don't think people with outstanding warrants are allowed to leave the country either. Doesn't seem to mention any cases of the police planting bombs and blaming people that oil corporations have a problem with, or massive entrapment cases. As for the freedom of the press, its kind of hard to argue about it when any organisation critical of Cuba tends to have either U.S. government or ex-pat backing, whereas one critical of the Canadian government receives no financial support from anywhere, and thus, finds it hard to have distribution at all. The Communist party of Canada was banned when it had its highest levels of support, there's no reason to think it wouldn't happen again. Ardent Communist fucked around with this message at 19:46 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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Jan 31, 2018 19:39
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Do all communists always spell its as it's all the time because they don't recognize possession or something? Please tell me it's symbolic
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Jan 31, 2018 19:44
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THC posted:Did the commies take away his dad's plantation? You know, maybe there's a reasonable middle ground between "we could learn from Cuba's example on some issues," and "the only reason to criticize Cuban policies is if you're some kind of evil capitalist scum." I like Cuba, I like a lot of what they've managed to accomplish with limited resources, but let's not pretend there aren't significant problems with regard to civil liberties and more than a few rear end-backward government policies. I'm skeptical of anyone who tries to paint Cuba as a socialist hellhole, but I'm equally skeptical of anyone who tries to describe it as a utopia.
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Jan 31, 2018 19:47
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Postess with the Mostest posted:Do all communists always spell its as it's all the time because they don't recognize possession or something? Please tell me it's symbolic Also, communists try to analyse the argument and argue factually, since it provides an excellent chance to use dialectics and self-criticism to mature their own argument. As opposed to nitpicking minor spelling errors only.
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Jan 31, 2018 19:49
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I think in terms of soviet-inspired dictatorships, Cuba is one of the better ones and actually outpaces some western democracies in a few small certain categories, but let's not get all tankie and start defending brutal dictatorships or comparing political/protest rights in Cuba vs Canada.
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Jan 31, 2018 19:54
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PT6A posted:You know, maybe there's a reasonable middle ground between "we could learn from Cuba's example on some issues," and "the only reason to criticize Cuban policies is if you're some kind of evil capitalist scum." You only have to look at Burkina Faso or Chile to see what happens to countries that try to maintain their civil liberties, whilst pursuing socialism. Spoiler, all those independent unions or organisations are bought up and used by the CIA and the State department, to "make their economy scream", as well as throwing money at anyone willing to follow through with a coup.
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Jan 31, 2018 19:57
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Ardent Communist posted:I'm not going to argue it's heaven on earth either, but you can't look at these type of things in a vacuum either. Cuba was under the threat of an invasion from a vastly more powerful neighbour for most of its history, and states under those conditions tend to limit civil liberties in a chance to survive. Canada, for example, rounded up vast numbers of Canadian citizens during WW2 because of their fear of Japanese invasion. Yes, that sure explains why Raul keeps going back and forth on what level of private enterprise is allowed, or why it takes a day of waiting in line to change your car's registration, or why educated people want to work as waiters instead of teachers or doctors, because they can actually afford some degree of personal property that way. That poo poo isn't going on to protect against the perfidious Yanqui imperialist. Again, I'm a pretty big fan of Cuba in a lot of ways, and I will sure defend them against American know-nothings who claim the embargo is anything less than a crime. That doesn't mean they are an example to be copied. We need to look at how their system differs from our own, and copy as many of the good things as possible, while getting rid of the most harmful nonsense.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:05
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Ardent Communist posted:I'm not going to argue it's heaven on earth either, but you can't look at these type of things in a vacuum either. Cuba was under the threat of an invasion from a vastly more powerful neighbour for most of its history, and states under those conditions tend to limit civil liberties in a chance to survive. Canada, for example, rounded up vast numbers of Canadian citizens during WW2 because of their fear of Japanese invasion. I'm a huge socialist and all but "We need to curtail civil liberties to properly pursue socialism" is a pretty bad line of thinking and defense of Cuba. Electoral manipulation in south america would have happened even if there was no socialist angle just because of how paranoid the Americans were about their sphere of influence being infiltrated. Cuba has some positives and some negatives, in general trying to put any country up on a pedestal is a bad idea.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:20
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Well, not being a huge fan of private enterprise is kind of a big thing with communists, so it's kind of obvious why he's not sure of what size enterprise to allow, since allowing too large enterprises would just reintroduce capitalism, with all of its ills. As for people trained as teachers or doctors wanting to be waiters because they can make more money (from foreigners), is that any better than people trying to be educated as teachers or doctors being forced to work as waiters to pay for their education? But I appreciate you making your points in a constructive manner. Certainly, the ideal would be to take the good from the bad, but I mean, compare it to any other Caribbean nation and it's clear the good outweighs the bad. Unless you think Haiti, or the Dominican republic are more ideal places to live? Haiti is a particularly illuminating example, because it was the first (and only?) country that resulted from a successful slave uprising, but from that height, they've had to fight against foreign invasions, from both France and the United States, foreign-installed dictators, as well as the crippling debt owed to France as a result of all the property they lost when Haiti declared independence (property in this case included all the slaves that were freed). And they were still able to assist Bolivar and others in freeing themselves from Spanish hegemony.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:21
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1500quidporsche posted:I'm a huge socialist and all but "We need to curtail civil liberties to properly pursue socialism" is a pretty bad line of thinking and defense of Cuba. Electoral manipulation in south america would have happened even if there was no socialist angle just because of how paranoid the Americans were about their sphere of influence being infiltrated. Cuba has some positives and some negatives, in general trying to put any country up on a pedestal is a bad idea. I'm not arguing that it's a good thing, I'm just arguing that it can be a justified thing, and possibly a necessary thing. In a vacuum, socialism could be totally possible with no curtailing of civil liberties, but we don't live in a vacuum. As for the promotion of civil liberties in a vacuum, I'm reminded of that great quote, "the majestic quality of the law which prohibits the wealthy as well as the poor from sleeping under the bridges, from begging in the streets, and from stealing bread." The laws in most of the western world have been drawn up by the wealthy, from their experiences and for their own benefit. Democracy was originally (in Britain and its colonies) purely for property owners, and it's hard to forget that, for example, in Canada, the vote was given to women because they knew that women would vote in the government's interests during the war.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:31
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http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/religious-leaders-summer-jobs-1.4512179 gently caress offfffffffffffffffffffff
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Jan 31, 2018 20:33
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1500quidporsche posted:I'm a huge socialist and all but "We need to curtail civil liberties to properly pursue socialism" is a pretty bad line of thinking and defense of Cuba. Electoral manipulation in south america would have happened even if there was no socialist angle just because of how paranoid the Americans were about their sphere of influence being infiltrated. Cuba has some positives and some negatives, in general trying to put any country up on a pedestal is a bad idea. It's not a very rhetorically compelling defense, at least to a western audience that takes civil liberties for granted, but it's also literally true in the case of Cuba. There's no plausible scenario where an underdeveloped island with a population of 11 million people survives off the coast of the United States without suppressing some of its civil rights.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:37
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Arivia posted:http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/religious-leaders-summer-jobs-1.4512179 Oooh no! My right to bigotry!
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Jan 31, 2018 20:40
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https://twitter.com/taylormacp/status/958756783811584000 https://twitter.com/cbcolivia/status/958757097469980672 That seems like a pretty big admission from Stanley’s son, and probably lays the ground for at least a manslaughter conviction. “I pointed a gun at the back of his head and it accidentally went off” isn’t a great look for the guy. It also takes a lot of the wind out of the “he was acting in self defence” crowd. Stanley’s son basically makes him sound like an idiot here. On the flip side of this, my wife’s parents and almost all of her 5 brothers and sisters are either farmers or live in remote acreages in rural Saskatchewan. When Stanley first hit the news, they basically all agreed that if they were in his shoes, they’d have grabbed a gun too, though most would have hunkered down in their basements. None of them are explicitly racist, but they all mentioned that they’d be terrified if they were in those circumstances. They all have small kids, they live in very remote areas where a police response is going to take at least half an hour (if the police can even find their property), and there’s nobody else around for miles. Everyone’s heard stories from their neighbors of people from nearby reserves getting drunk and looking for mischief, and nobody has ever really had meaningful interactions with the people living on reserve - they’re two completely separate worlds. They all have guns, they’d all be terrified for their families safety, and they have no real understanding of the people on their property. In these circumstances, there’s a real risk that things escalate far beyond where they should. Again, Stanley appears to have been an idiot, but the whole situation is a bit of a powder keg. bub spank fucked around with this message at 20:47 on Jan 31, 2018 |
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Jan 31, 2018 20:41
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Also, how much longer do we have to indulge Notley et al in this insane notion that somehow by not electing a hard right austerity government the province of Alberta was doing the rest of us a favour rather than just making the obvious self interested choice of choosing a not-Conservative government? quote:Alberta premier promises legal action against B.C. over bitumen restrictions If the rest of the country has to bend over backwards to accommodate Alberta just to talk them out of electing a lovely provincial government then perhaps we should just resign ourselves to another 40 years of conservative rule in Texas North.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:42
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well once Kenney gets in and kills the carbon tax then Trudeau will take BC's side, right? right???
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Jan 31, 2018 20:44
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Arivia posted:http://www.cbc.ca/beta/news/politics/religious-leaders-summer-jobs-1.4512179 It's okay, they're having "prayer protests". Let us pray for an end to the Trudeau government.
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Jan 31, 2018 20:51
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The Duggler posted:Oooh no! My right to bigotry! Here's a little flash from the past, if anyone wants to say ..... win an argument about government tying funding to abortion beliefs on facebook or at the dinner table. https://twitter.com/CBCNews/status/472463719751233536
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Jan 31, 2018 21:54
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Helsing posted:Also, how much longer do we have to indulge Notley et al in this insane notion that somehow by not electing a hard right austerity government the province of Alberta was doing the rest of us a favour rather than just making the obvious self interested choice of choosing a not-Conservative government? I'll echo the guy I heard on the CBC call-in radio show Alberta at Noon who said something to the effect of "it sure is rich to see so many Albertans suddenly clamouring for Prime Minister Trudeau step in and tell a province how to run it's energy policy".
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Jan 31, 2018 22:16
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Yes, it's like a lava lamp.
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Cuba is a great country, compared to real poo poo countries that surround it like Jamaica or Haiti. But comparing it to a "free country" is pretty ridiculous in itself. Id rather live in Canada after having to saw off my own leg that live in Cuba.
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Jan 31, 2018 22:35
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patonthebach posted:Cuba is a great country, compared to real poo poo countries that surround it like Jamaica or Haiti. But comparing it to a "free country" is pretty ridiculous in itself. Id rather live in Canada after having to saw off my own leg that live in Cuba. See, this is a bit too far in the other direction. Provided you have a job with decent access to hard currency, there is nothing wrong with living in Cuba. Most Cubans who leave do so for economic reasons, not political freedoms.
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Jan 31, 2018 22:42
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So Global is throwing around some pretty hefty numbers towards the "blame Chinese capitalists for housing affordability" camp:https://globalnews.ca/news/3886743/quebec-immigrant-investor-program-vancouver/ posted:How over 46,000 wealthy immigrants took a back door into Vancouver and Toronto’s housing markets That QIIP is a bunch of bullshit is reasonably straight-forward and not that outrageous a claim, but how much impact does it actually have on RE prices? quote:
Ok but they are comparing the 30 year figure (of 1.6 mil per investor), which indeed is 24 billion, to the yearly RE sales of 36 billion. The yearly figure is the one they mentioned just above, 510 million... which is 1.4% of yearly sales. Is this just the straight up bullshit it appears to be?
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Jan 31, 2018 22:47
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Helsing posted:It's not a very rhetorically compelling defense, at least to a western audience that takes civil liberties for granted, but it's also literally true in the case of Cuba. There's no plausible scenario where an underdeveloped island with a population of 11 million people survives off the coast of the United States without suppressing some of its civil rights. Why wouldn't there be? I'm not saying the threat of US involvement isn't real, but you can have an effective security apparatus as well as some limits on free speech without going full police state. I.e. your phone calls are not exactly private, but they don't get you arrested.
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Jan 31, 2018 23:08
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLu-qb8b7G8 this is why we need a second amendment in this horrible country
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Jan 31, 2018 23:45
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Clearly that young man wouldn't have been shot if only he could have pointed a gun at a security guard in a courthouse
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Jan 31, 2018 23:47
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:this is why we need a second amendment in this horrible country Shut the loving gently caress up.
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Feb 1, 2018 00:03
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his mom could of done something if she had been armed
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Feb 1, 2018 00:04
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:his mom could of done something if she had been armed yeah im sure that situation would have turned out better if his mom had pulled out a gun and started blasting, this is a thought process that makes sense to me
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Feb 1, 2018 00:10
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Trudeau has more to gain next election by cupping BC's balls, not Alberta's.
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Feb 1, 2018 00:11
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smoke sumthin bitch posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NLu-qb8b7G8 this is why we need a second amendment in this horrible country Slingshots and crossbows my man
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Feb 1, 2018 00:16
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So, like, Warren Kinsella is claiming he has signed affadavits about sexual impropriety and he will be dropping them friday, and has been heavily hinting it's PMJT. How much do think it's real, or him just poo poo stirring?
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bunnyofdoom posted:So, like, Warren Kinsella is claiming he has signed affadavits about sexual impropriety and he will be dropping them friday, and has been heavily hinting it's PMJT. How much do think it's real, or him just poo poo stirring? It's warren kinsella sooooo
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