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I'm looking at these largely without checking the responses so I don't "convince" myself it's one thing or another, so apologies if these have already been sorted out. "John Bredge of selsted sonn of John Bredge of [Raynd?] & Martha ffinch of Thaxted daughter of Thomas of Brayntreed wear married ye 30th day of September" "John Bredge sonn of John Bredge of Rayne & Martha ffinch daughter of Thomas of Brayntree" "Mathew the son of John Bridge & Philip his wife was bapt." -- E: Reading back and covering other responses: "Brayntreed" would indeed easily be a variant of "Braintree", the double lowercase "ff" is why I'm reading the first location as Selsted rather than Felsted, but it could feasibly be either, Miss Finch is definitely Martha, and the son is definitely Mathew. At the end it definitely says "Philip" but I think it can be safely taken for "Philis", it's one of those things. Oh, and as for multiple children of the same name, that wasn't too uncommon back then, I think it usually occurred when men had children with multiple wives. It does create confusion though because of "elder" and "younger" distinctions - they would usually be for father and son, but in this case would be for two brothers, and I think even occasionally if there were two members of a family in a town/village with the same name, but they were uncle and nephew for example, they'd still be called the elder and the younger. HJB fucked around with this message at 15:31 on Feb 2, 2018 |
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HJB is too good at reading. Nice! also literally just got a message last night on facebook: Hey [myname] I see you're working on genealogy. Do you know the name __ __ _ _ ? Is he a relation? Dude is my Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 21:38 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Facebook has been an interesting tool for reaching out that’s for sure. I recently made contact with some second cousins who live in Australia that way, as well as a distant cousin who helped fill in some pieces of the puzzle on another branch that I hadn’t yet pieced together. Of course the latest contact I had was by way of my mother receiving a message on 23andme. She sent me an email yesterday asking “oh do you know this person so-and-so? This person contacted me because they have a connection through them.” Fortunately for that cousin, I’d filled in enough of the tree to place them pretty exactly. Doubt I’d learn that much but maybe they’ve seen a particular bible record I’ve been looking for more recently than I have 
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We had a little chat about that part of the family. His grandfather was an extramarital son of my great grandmother's 1st cousin, one I did not know about, so we could both contribute some stuff 
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Great-grandparents came from Finland about a hundred years ago & there is a combination of essentially entirely Finnish & Swedish ancestry to my bloodline. I have a vaguely Germanic name as well, and my mom came from there, so I guess there is a lot of roots there
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Somewhat of a sad story I've come to piece together in my research. Ancestry DNA turned up a 2nd cousin with a name I didn't recognize. I reached out to a couple uncles, and they vaguely remembered the name. They pointed me towards a g-g-uncle, which all they knew of was that he had died in WW1. His draft registration card at the time lists him as single with no dependents in June 1917. I'm not sure of his exact deployment date, but he was assigned to the American Expeditionary Force Siberia, where he died in the Russian Civil War. His daughter was born in November 1917. He died less than a year later, in October 1918, and is buried in Meuse-Argonne in France. His (wife/girlfriend?) later (re-?) married in 1944, which lead to the name that eventually showed up on my results. That's about the extent of what my family knows, and I've not reached out to this person. I've only found some trace evidence that he may have even known he had a child. I'm trying to track down if he was in fact married sometime in 1917, but it's going to require some in-person digging, as the county where they lived only has marriage records online going back to the 1980s.
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Well my genealogical quest has quite suddenly turned into a long-term archival project. Over the past weekend I traveled out to visit my uncle to go through some documents he had kept from his parents. Among them were hundreds upon hundreds of pages of letters my grandmother sent to her family and friends that she kept copies of. Some will, of course, help flesh out the tree, but I expect most will end up merely serving to paint a picture of her life that I never got to see, as she was too ill to communicate well with us grandchildren by the time we were old enough to really understand her. It will be a daunting task to prepare it all to be sure. Although much of her correspondence after 1955 was on typewriter, she grew up in Czechoslovakia and half her letters are in German, and the rest feature characteristic code-switching between German, Spanish and English. It is even more complicated by the fact that, while her generation has mostly passed on, her children still survive, so I need to take particular care of family sensitivities with this work. What she was willing to write to a friend she may never have intended her children or grandchildren to see. So all of this demands careful curation and annotation of these works in order to properly frame and portray what is worth portraying. But I think it will be a great and fun challenge to try to transcribe it all faithfully and present it in a way that presents her as a fully fleshed out person with needs, desires, and opinions (to me at least). Plus, who knows what stories are hidden within? Even without reference to these letters, the documents also included some revealing papers that uncovered (for the first time) what really happened to this family during and just after World War II. To this end, one big outstanding task that I look forward to tackling in my next visit relates to several diaries that my great-aunt kept between 1939 and 1945. From the bits of German my uncle was able to read, these diaries paint a potentially fascinating picture of a teenage woman dealing with the twin tribulations of coming of age and coping with the reality of total war and its impacts on Prague. So there’s a lot to do now and I’m certain to be busy with work on this for months, if not years, to come.
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That's pretty awesome. You'll probably get lots of insight into her daily life. I was going through a crate of stuff from my GGmother from around the time my GGfather died and it's just an odd time capsule into 1951. He had a heart attack, but made it to the hospital. So the first half were get-well telegrams and cards. But back then there weren't a whole lot of treatments for heart attacks and you'd often just have another one in the hospital and die. Sure enough the second half were condolences. And telegrams are so weird. Like people actually communicated like this.
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I just got a treasure trove of stuff from my late grandmother's estate courtesy of my aunt. Word's getting around I'm the family historian and people are actually keen on unloading all the old pics and poo poo on me. Thankfully my family's main defining genetic trait on that side is being utter packrats so there's a lot of stuff. Including this letter my grandma saved from my grandpa. He sent it to her shortly after Pearl Harbor. He was a 21 year old plumber's apprentice and she was an 18 year old high school student. quote:dDearm Marion Oh, and they first went out because she and her girlfriends wanted to go out partying and someone mentioned my grandpa owned a car so they invited him so they'd have a ride. So I guess all those car commercials were telling the truth, dammit.
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That's a really sweet letter I have scanned a ton of letters and have more to scan. Most are from the 1950s–70s, but a few date back to the 1920s. There's a handful from the mid 1930s between grandma & grandpa from before they married, very sweet and innocent stuff! I scan pure text letters as 100dpi cause I'm impatient, but anything with photos or drawings as 600dpi. Letters go in folders named "yyyy-mm-dd - sender - recipient", unknown months/dates as 00; the dashes will ensure somewhat proper sorting. When I transcribe, it's verbatim to a .txt file in the folder. Also, for archival purposes, look into envelopes/boxes made from acid-free paper.
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Feb 15, 2018 10:39
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Oh also Ancestry is having the 69 dollar sale again, 'limited time only' but they keep extending it so I wonder if this is going to be the new price. I've seen it for 59 and its 49 if you go to conferences like RootsWeb (coming up soon) but this is probably reasonable. Also MyHeritage and FTDNA are of course following suit (23&Me might be? Haven't seen anything of late).
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Just found out my great grandmas uncle did time in 1890 for beating the crap out of a dude who almost died. Apparently my guy was known as "Headbutter-Larsen" 
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Krankenstyle posted:Just found out my great grandmas uncle did time in 1890 for beating the crap out of a dude who almost died. Apparently my guy was known as "Headbutter-Larsen" Time for a username change! Mods?
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Oh yeah! Except the original Danish "Skallesmækker" has a nicer ring to it, but sadly nobody would understand it. Skull-smacker Larsen?
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Krankenstyle posted:Oh yeah! Except the original Danish "Skallesmækker" has a nicer ring to it, but sadly nobody would understand it. Skullcrusher is a time-honored Anglo name in this vein. Also makes you sound like a professional wrestler ala Hulk Hogan.
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You run across some great nicknames & bynames once in a while. Another great uncle was known as "The Terror of [Town]" and it is claimed that he bit off the nose of a man in a fight, though I haven't found proof of it. I have found lots of breakins, public intoxication, vagabonding, and such though. Also a guy is mentioned near my hometown in the 1660s with the byname "Salpeter Syre" (nitric acid). Not sure if he manufactured it or he had a sour personality or what.
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Hey Its St. Paddy's Day and you know what that means! No, not green beer. DNA tests go on sale!! Ancestry:$69 (reminder that ancestry does not take transfers from other companies) FREESHIPDNA can get you reduced or free shipping as a coupon code. FTDNA:$59 (FTDNA does take transfers from other companies like ancestry and 23&me and MyHeritage) MyHeritage (new, uses same lab as FTDNA, good for finding European matches):$69 (they will also take uploads from other testing companies) 23&Me:$79 (they will NOT take uploads of raw data from other companies) Also all Irish records are free all weekend at Ancestry! Woo!
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Man I wanna try it some time but I've read that most of them (except maybe FamilyTreeDNA?) require subscriptions to keep access to your DNA data, do you have info on that?
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Krankenstyle posted:Man I wanna try it some time but I've read that most of them (except maybe FamilyTreeDNA?) require subscriptions to keep access to your DNA data, do you have info on that? I used MyHeritage (because it was cheap). Most things you try to do on the MyHeritage website need a subscription, but you can download your data and then upload it to Gedmatch, which is free. I got my results last week and so far have found one 3rd, one 4th, and one 5th cousin, which is rather cool.
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Ah that's good to know! Thanks
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Mar 16, 2018 19:28
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23andme turned part of my DNA into a little melody. 
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Krankenstyle posted:Man I wanna try it some time but I've read that most of them (except maybe FamilyTreeDNA?) require subscriptions to keep access to your DNA data, do you have info on that? FamilyTreeDNA requires a one-time fee of 18USD to see your matches and message them (or getting a DNA test through them, they don't really have any records to search like ancestry and their family tree portion is utter poo poo and just a place to upload a gedcom file and any changes you want to make to it require you to re upload said gedcom file after making changes in some other third-party software). AncestryDNA requires 49 bucks a year to see and message your DNA matches. They allow you to make and keep your tree on there for free (but you won't be able to link any of their sources or see any sources on other people's trees). MyHeritage allows you to upload and see DNA matches and message them but your public tree can't exceed 250 people without a subscription or you get nasty grams and it no longer is viewable (I think I just let my subscription lapse because I never used their dumb sources and unlimited space and backups include access to their sources and is meh overpriced IMHO) 23&Me is like FTDNA in that’s you get permanent access when you take the test. You have to opt in to sharing your data with close matches, they don’t support family trees on the site, and the database is smaller than Ancestry’s. You can download your raw data. 23&Me also has a global genetics project where if your four biological grandparents are all from the same country you get a free DNA test and all kinds of results on health etc so they can broaden their database. You have to be at least 18 speak read write English and I think reside in the US. Details here. LivingDNA allows you to upload for free and if you do so before August of this year (I think) you'll be able to see matches for free too so they can build their databases. They also offer a discount on testing if you qualify for any of their various projects wherein they try to refine DNA ethnicity tests to make them more accurate to location (basically if all four of your grandparents were born/are from within 51 miles of each other in various countries, they have a long list, check their website for details its all over it). Gedmatch.com and gedmatch Genesis are both free to upload both gedcom and raw DNA data files to from just about all the various testing companies but if you want to use their nifty Tier One tools which include triangulation etc. its some amount a month but you can buy just one month's subscription (I want to say its 39 but go check). Also if you uploaded to gedmatch.com but not genesis, go do that, otherwise you're missing out on finding 23&Me matches from the new chipset that debuted in August 2017. You'll have to remember to periodically check both, though. Genesis site is still in beta officially I think but its a LOT faster and smoother looking. You can also upload your DNA and trees to wikitree.com for free and it includes the ability mark yourself as a YDNA descendant or MTDNA descendant of whoever you're descended from and your haplogroup etc. Its growing pretty rapidly too someday I will get around to doing that but man you are forced to go through every person on your tree one at a time and correct or mark as duplicate with already existing people and since I have both colonial and French-Canadian roots I have a shitton of duplicates and over 2000 people on my drat tree and fuuuuuuck that. Oracle fucked around with this message at 21:50 on Mar 17, 2018 |
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Awesome, thx for info
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Hey y'all! Krankenstyle pointed me to this thread based on some stuff I was posting elsewhere. I'm about to have to run out the door but I wanted to post something here so I remember to come back and post the rest of it later. My grandfather fought in WWII as a captain in the army corps of engineers, going from Normandy all the way to Berchtesgaden and beyond into Wels, Austria. Throughout the war, he and his wife wrote to each other several times a week. The amazing bit is that my grandmother saved every single one of those letters, and my mom dug them out of the attic a few years ago after my grandma died. Mom has spent years transcribing all of them, with the goal of turning them into a book at some point. The rest of the family doesn't want them all shared yet, but we have shared about ten of them as a part of a crowdfunding effort to get my mom and her sister to come visit Europe later this year. So here's a taste: quote:Germany
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Thats damned good writing imo
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Looked through some of my scans, and wartime letters were much more compact here. A telegram to my grandpa in German-occupied Denmark from his sister in the English-occupied Faroe Islands: quote:Am well. The children are healthy. Congratulations with the (ie your) children. Say hello to parents (-in-law) and friends. Am expecting letter soon. Regards from us all. Your sister. Carthag Tuek fucked around with this message at 02:55 on Mar 25, 2018 |
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Those are great. I always found letters home interesting, for what they leave out as much as what they write. We have a letter from my great-grandfather's sister in 1952 who had the misfortune of being in Russia-occupied Berlin. It was nuts, I looked it up on google maps and the apartment where my great-grandfather lived before he came to America and his sister's kids' apartments were literally 300 yards from each other but managed to be on opposite sides of the Berlin Wall. Talk about luck. Its written in Sutterlinschrift but I luckily knew a guy in Germany whose grandparents could read it and they translated it for me back in the 90's/early 2000s. I also have my great-grandmother's alien resident book. If you weren't an American citizen (or if you were and they didn't like your politics, or your travel history or ethnicity or whatever else J. Edgar didn't like) you had to carry it around and show it on demand by any authority. She never wanted American citizenship (she was from Bavaria) or never got around to it or something. Her husband became a citizen and I thought that automatically made the wife (it didn't work for husbands interestingly enough) one too at that point in time but maybe its because she went back to visit in 1936-7. I'd be curious if she ever had a file on her. I should look up the number on the book.
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Denmark didn't have any coherent system of laws regarding foreigners until 1875. Before that, there was basically only a post-Struensee-coup requirement that govt. employees should be Danish born or naturalised (law of 1776). In 1875 it became law that all resident foreigners should carry a logbook, I think much like the one you mention Oracle. I would expect in European & derived nations that if some guy became a citizen, his wife would automatically become one as well, but there wouldn't necessarily be any paperwork on it unless they got divorced or she outlived him and wanted to remarry. I mean women were for the longest time not even considered legal persons.
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Krankenstyle posted:Thats damned good writing imo Right? Here's grandma writing back: quote:Portland, Oregon
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Yeah one of the best things about these letters is you can see her navigating the massive changes that are happening in society as he's navigating the war. In this next one, she falls through the floor in the office she's working in and bruises her "very particular place". quote:
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And another two-day letter.quote:Portland, Oregon I'm Facebook friends with a decent number of goons, so I'ma point out that if you ever see an older lady named June posting incredibly clueless and confused poo poo on my wall, that's the June in these letters when she was a baby. Oh and here are the three of them, I think this was taken shortly after he got back:  My mom is June's little sister, born just about a year after the war ended. True boomer.
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Good on your grandma for telling off her boss lol I would post more of my own letters but they're almost all in Danish & translating them while keeping tone and misspellings is super hard. I have a few things about my 5th great grandparents Ole Pedersen Tofte & Karen Marie Bering that I translated previously, so here yall go! From the Magistrate's Journal, entry no. 1604 year 1804: quote:O.P. Tofte, Master Saddler requests separation of table and bed from his wife Karen Marie Bernts. Separation "of table and bed" meant that they could live separately, but not remarry. Some of the attached letters: quote:Pro Memoria! quote:Copenhagen, April 20 1805 quote:That I on different occasions have been called to Madame Tofte to bandage some significant headwounds, whereamong especially one on the left side of the temple was dangerous and has left a significant scar, and that she now again shows evidence of violent battery at various places of the body, that her husband is to have caused her; I in truth testify as requested. They were eventually granted the separation. I have also found several cases in the police archives showing that they didn't just beat each other but also their apprentices & journeymen, their neighbours, local servant girls, etc. Example: quote:Reverently Promemoria
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Yea they were hilariously terrible all around, there's like 20 similar police cases over a 10 year period. 
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Are broom-induced convulsions hereditary? You might want to be careful about that until you get your 23andme results back.
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I hope not! Luckily Fotel's wife is not an ancestor.
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Trig Discipline posted:Are broom-induced convulsions hereditary? You might want to be careful about that until you get your 23andme results back. Only when gravid (read: hugely pregnant)
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Oh hey Fold3.com, what's that? You got Civil War records all opened up til April 15? And nary a Tony Stark to be seen? Well alrighty then...quote:Fold3 has worked with the US National Archives to bring millions of original records to the Internet for the first time. Explore Civil War records that feature everything from personal accounts to historic writings that would shape a nation. Gotta register so they can send you spam, but its worth it IMHO.
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