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Angry Salami posted:Yeah, Rogue One just felt like bootleg John Williams. If it had gone for something distinct and original, I'd have given it credit for trying, but it was just regular Star Wars music, only not quite as good. The main theme of Rogue One sounds so close to the main theme of Starcrash, which was itself bootleg Star Wars, so... that analogy is pretty apt.
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I hope Giacchino didn't blow his chance with Rogue One, because he's probably got a good Star Wars score in him if they give him more than a week to write it next time.
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Feb 3, 2018 05:52
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R1 is probably the worst overall score of the new films but it simultaneously has one of the best tracks. TFA and TLJ scores were just unmemorable.
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Feb 3, 2018 06:02
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TFA's score really grew on me. TLJ's hasn't.
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Feb 3, 2018 07:10
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I seldom take much notice the music while I'm watching the movies. I'd need to listen to them in isolation to evaluate them and I don't habitually listen to film scores or soundtracks.
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Feb 3, 2018 10:14
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I was grinning from ear to loving ear when parts of Here They Come / TIE Fighter Attack kicked in during the Crait battle.
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Feb 3, 2018 10:19
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I was annoyed when that happened because I'm wondering what could have played then if Williams had been a little more creative.
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Feb 3, 2018 14:31
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Rey's Theme and Jedi Steps are some of William's best work. TLJ doesn't really have anything like that, except when it borrows from another film.
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Feb 3, 2018 14:49
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The problems with most of the scoring is the same problem TLJ and TFA have; they are too derivative. John Williams can do so much better, but why would he? He's getting praise and awards anyway.
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Feb 3, 2018 14:56
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But here's a question: What, essentially, is the difference in borrowing from another film versus simply reusing a leitmotif in the appropriate moment? Like I'm not sure that Poe's motif cropping up when he does something rad really counts as "recycling". Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 21:24 on Feb 3, 2018 |
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Feb 3, 2018 21:19
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Cross-Section posted:But here's a question: What, essentially, is the difference in borrowing from another film versus simply reusing a leitmotif in the appropriate moment? When it is literally just recycling the same music with the same instrumentation it comes off a bit lazy. Compare the leitmotifs from the original trilogy and see how they are at once familiar, but more developed as the movies progress. Luke will always be associated with the Star Wars fanfare, but every time it plays, there is a variation on the theme suited to the scene at hand. It is hopeful and innocent in A New Hope, it goes dark and uncertain in Empire as Luke trains with Yoda and faces his self doubt, and when it pops up in Return of the Jedi during his reunion with the heroes aboard Home One, it feels welcoming, but sad, and more mature. When the Tie Fighter Attack music from A New Hope reappears in Return of the Jedi during the Death Star attack, it is played at a much more frantic tempo and is interlaced with other music that shifts as we move to different parts of the space battle. The key point is that the themes develop, and no two versions of the music are ever entirely the same. This was done great in TFA as Rey's theme develops through the entire film from its curious but lonely beginning, to its dueling motif with Kylo Ren's theme during the saber fight. Both of the themes struggle to gain the upper hand, and Rey's theme takes on a much more stressful approach. In TLJ, Rey trains on a cliffside and her theme just plays as normal with no relation to her surroundings. Poe's motif didn't even show up in TLJ which I thought was a shame since it's one of my favourite pieces from TFA. So when the Tie Fighter Attack music played during Crait, it was a clear audio/visual reference to the Death Star attack from Jedi, but there was nothing done to it to make it feel unique. It was just a straight 1:1 remake of old music. It fit the scene, but it didn't quite tell the scene. My personal theory about good music versus great music in films is that "good music will enhance a scene" while "great music can tell a scene without visuals". There's nothing in the Crait scene's music that makes me think of Crait rather than various other tracks being spliced together because they reference other scenes from previous movies.
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Feb 4, 2018 00:17
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Arcsquad12 posted:When the Tie Fighter Attack music from A New Hope reappears in Return of the Jedi during the Death Star attack, it is played at a much more frantic tempo and is interlaced with other music that shifts as we move to different parts of the space battle.
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Feb 4, 2018 00:25
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Plus Poe’s motif shows up at least twice in TLJ: when he blows up the last surface gun and does that  power-slide through the explosion, and also during the “I’m Rey” “I know” bit at the end.edit: Also kinda have to disagree with the “Rey’s theme does nothing in TLJ” sentiment given how hers and Luke’s “exile theme” interact in the very training scene that is mentioned, in addition to nearly every other scene they share. There’s an interesting contrast in how the optimistic, adventurous tone of Rey’s theme mixes with the more cynical, workman-like quality of Luke’s. Cross-Section fucked around with this message at 00:47 on Feb 4, 2018 |
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Feb 4, 2018 00:35
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The best rebel star fighter is now canon, via Poe Dameron #23. E-wing fighter, bitches! 
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Feb 4, 2018 06:06
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Did they keep the laser cannon on top of the cockpit canopy?
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Feb 4, 2018 06:28
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All you people with your wrong opinions about the Rogue One soundtrack. It was a better John Williams score than the TFA and TLJ scores actually by Williams. The Imperial Theme is totes awesome.
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Feb 4, 2018 10:04
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galagazombie posted:All you people with your wrong opinions about the Rogue One soundtrack. It was a better John Williams score than the TFA and TLJ scores actually by Williams. The Imperial Theme is totes awesome. Counterpoint : All three loving sucked. Even Jedi Steps and Rey's Theme are boring and entirely derivative. Like someone else said, if Rogue One's score had more than a week to cook in the oven, it'd probably have been better.
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Feb 4, 2018 10:33
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My son likes R1's Imperial Suite better than the actual Imperial March. I almost can't blame him.
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Feb 4, 2018 18:35
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VAGENDA OF MANOCIDE posted:My son likes R1's Imperial Suite better than the actual Imperial March. I almost can't blame him. it isnt bad, but Giacchino weakest stuff. it sounds like generic video game music. and he can do GREAT music, including video game music. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wq3eRXmboC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2FkuE4eS0QC4 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2B-zWwTcgsC4
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Feb 4, 2018 21:45
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Rogue One isn't nearly as bad as his Jurassic World soundtrack. It's bad, but the Krennic theme and the Imperial themes are good.
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Feb 4, 2018 21:52
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Arcsquad12 posted:Rogue One isn't nearly as bad as his Jurassic World soundtrack. It's bad, but the Krennic theme and the Imperial themes are good. agreed, but i just kinda hated that movie. then again i prefer the books and only like the original.
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Feb 4, 2018 22:00
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o Just a 45 second teaser, but yep, this looks like Star Wars. So I'll still be there day 1, I suppose.
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Feb 5, 2018 00:56
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o Teaser for Solo.
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Feb 5, 2018 00:56
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VaultAggie posted:The best rebel star fighter is now canon, via Poe Dameron #23. E-wing fighter, bitches!  Hannibal Rex posted:Did they keep the laser cannon on top of the cockpit canopy?  Unfortunately yep. Still love the E-wing, but I kinda want to see a version that ditches the unicorn gun and instead adds another gun to each wing. Also, make them worth using in X-wing!  Corran owns but they're too damned expensive for anyone else.
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Feb 5, 2018 00:58
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Feb 5, 2018 00:58
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cptn_dr posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o Shot of the star destroyer owned. Ambivalent about the rest.
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Feb 5, 2018 01:13
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Shot of Lando also owned.
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Feb 5, 2018 01:16
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VaultAggie posted:Shot of the star destroyer owned. Ambivalent about the rest. Pretty much my reaction. Movie is more than likely going to suck poo poo but that shot was desktop wallpaper worthy.
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Feb 5, 2018 01:24
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cptn_dr posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o seems ok maybe. will wait for trailer and probably same.
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Feb 5, 2018 01:24
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cptn_dr posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Szts88zY4o Well they kept the EU plot about him going through the Imperial Acadamy to become a pilot, which is a thing. Donald Glover as Lando is probably a terrible mis-cast, and Woody Harrison is the only other name I see. Woody's a good actor, but I'm not sure if he's a fit for this (plus he's likely to upstage the other actors because he's so much better than them). Then again, SW is all about slapstick comedy that destroys any sense of tension or tone so maybe it'd work. I'm kidding, this will be a trainwreck.
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Feb 5, 2018 01:57
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Donald Glover is probably the one casting decision they did right, imo.
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Feb 5, 2018 02:39
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The part with the Star Destroyer and the train looked cool. Reminds me of the Shadows of the Empire game.Skoll posted:Donald Glover is probably the one casting decision they did right, imo. I'd honestly prefer a Lando movie. Lando does not get enough screen time in these movies.
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Feb 5, 2018 04:39
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Gammatron 64 posted:I'd honestly prefer a Lando movie. Lando does not get enough screen time in these movies. I hadn't really thought about it...but yeah, I could be on board with that. Lando was cool, but kind of a blank slate - I could see a movie about him serving a purpose.
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Feb 5, 2018 05:24
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I don't think Lando even really got his own novels or comics. He was always an aside to something else.
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Feb 5, 2018 05:47
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He did get some novels, where he had a starfish droid who lit his cigarettes.
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Feb 5, 2018 06:20
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Yeah, he got 3 novels very early on in the EU. I strongly recommending following up on the author's other works because they are bat poo poo insane.
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Feb 5, 2018 06:26
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Doctor Spaceman posted:Yeah, he got 3 novels very early on in the EU. You know, I had completely forgotten about those.
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Feb 5, 2018 07:00
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He also has a limited series from Marvel, that's one of the better of the new comics.
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Feb 5, 2018 07:36
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This 45 seconds trailer did literally nothing to move my needle from the "cautious" position it's been in since this movie was announced. 
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I still want a Black Hawk Downish movie about Stormtroopers, or some kind of Republic Commando Saving Private Ryan.
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