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The Vosgian Beast posted:Hey, you forgot some stray token socdems who are willing to hang out with nazis. You attract all the people like that that nobody else wants to be around, sure, but you also attract a few enlightened smartymans who think they're being philosophical elites by trying to argue in good faith with holocaust denying pedophiles. Which is good because it contains those people and keeps them away from me
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http://nostalgebraist.tumblr.com/post/170217736924/slatestarscratchpad-argumate-argumate-im Scott and pals discover the problem with the post: It's just too obviously true!
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I wouldn't say lovely Scott's post was "obvious", because it's actually bullshit that you have to parse slightly. That post was obvious in the sense of, "It was already obvious that lovely Scott is bigoted towards progressives and leftists to the point of making himself politically stupid as gently caress."
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Has Scott revisited his whole “stop calling Donald Trump a white supremacist” in light of the events of the last year?
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Sax Solo posted:I wouldn't say lovely Scott's post was "obvious", because it's actually bullshit that you have to parse slightly. The thing with scotts posts in general is that it's always 1000s of words of insight porn, so there will always be large sections of any post that are obvious, some parts that are straight up wrong, and the whole thing will generally have an overall message that is bullcrap, but that he never states outright. So he somehow manages to be "obvious" while still being wrong, but always having plausible deniability. In this case, the obvious part is that some political conflicts are treated as mistakes and some are treated as conflicts of interests. If this was all he wanted to say, he could have said it in one paragraph. The general argument of the post was that this is an important distinction that is the key difference between liberals and marxists and therefore marxists cannot be reasoned with. This is argument is wrong, but is never stated outright. the correct parts are obvious, the non-obvious parts are wrong.
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To be fair, the tech transhumanists think automation will also replace work. And that somehow magically they will not be the ones crushed into homelessness
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dont want to be smarter im smart as hell and it blows tbqh working on getting dumber rn good thing there’s plenty of things you can take for that
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IMO, the world would be in no way reduced if both these fake example people murdered themselves with fanciful notions of progress. Well... materially it will be ravaged by their attempt. Moreso. Hm... I don't know what my point was anymore.
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mysterious frankie posted:IMO, the world would be in no way reduced if both these fake example people murdered themselves with fanciful notions of progress. I too think people who just want to do silly cosmetic poo poo are as bad as tech overlord shitdicks
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:I too think people who just want to do silly cosmetic poo poo are as bad as tech overlord shitdicks it's the tilling up the world's resources for dumb dumb bullshit while the world slides into a quivering techno perdition of its own making part the equalizes them in my eyes -Posted from an iPhone 7
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mysterious frankie posted:it's the tilling up the world's resources for dumb dumb bullshit while the world slides into a quivering techno perdition of its own making part the equalizes them in my eyes I mean it's a utopian idea so it doesn't matter at that point
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mysterious frankie posted:IMO, the world would be in no way reduced if both these fake example people murdered themselves with fanciful notions of progress. High-IQ educated people like to think we're so smart. But we're just not—at least not in a straightforwardly prosocial way. Any double-digit-IQ Trump voter from West Virginia could tell you that men who think they're women are delusional perverts.
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Lottery of Babylon posted:High-IQ educated people like to think we're so smart. But we're just not—at least not in a straightforwardly prosocial way. Any double-digit-IQ Trump voter from West Virginia could tell you that men who think they're women are delusional perverts. Man you had it for like, two and a half sentences there buddy, what happened
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ate all the Oreos posted:Man you had it for like, two and a half sentences there buddy, what happened You have 31 pages of posts in this thread, how do you not know who LoB is.
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Tacky-rear end Rococco posted:You have 31 pages of posts in this thread, how do you not know who LoB is. I'm talking rhetorically to the person LoB is currently channeling through the aether
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ate all the Oreos posted:Man you had it for like, two and a half sentences there buddy, what happened I know. I prefer not to phrase it that way, either, because like you—like everybody who matters—I think males with late-onset gender dysphoria should have a respected place in Society to pursue their dream if that's what makes them happy. But if you ignore the derogatory style of that way of phrasing it and just ask about the predictions made by the mental model that generated the derogatory phrasing, 'men who think they're women are delusional perverts' is the correct theory! If really smart people who are really good at philosophy can't get this really easy question right because saying the right answer out loud in clear language makes us look bad—what are we good for? Why should people who aren't already ideologically allied with us care?
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Lottery of Babylon posted:I know. I prefer not to phrase it that way, either, because like you—like everybody who matters—I think males with late-onset gender dysphoria should have a respected place in Society to pursue their dream if that's what makes them happy. I don't think this person actually follows modern philosophy at all because it's probably one of the few branches of academia that's totally full of right-wingers who won't hesitate to say ignorant bullshit like that. Also I don't think he, y'know, knows what half of those words mean either
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DACK FAYDEN posted:hey in fairness if you got pills and slurry that makes me 8% smarter you should be selling that to me for at least 8% of my income because that's way better than anyone's demonstrated so far
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New ContraPoints! About one of the earliest theories of the proto-alt-right. With the sickest remix of "Dance of the Knights" ever. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6czRFLs5JQo
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ate all the Oreos posted:I don't think this person actually follows modern philosophy at all because it's probably one of the few branches of academia that's totally full of right-wingers who won't hesitate to say ignorant bullshit like that. There's this slogan meant to illustrate a principle in game theory: "We don't negotiate with terrorists." Imagine you're a political leader and terrorists have taken some of your citizens hostage and promise to release them if you meet their demands. You should refuse the deal, the argument goes, no matter how much you desperately want your people back safe, because agreeing would create an incentive for the terrorists to take more hostages: if you're the kind of agent that pays ransoms, blackmailing you is a reliable profit opportunity. True and useful ideas certainly have a selective advantage insofar as humans care about usefulness, but there can be other features of an idea that convey a selective advantage in memetic competition: for example, an appeal to (alleged) consequences of accepting the idea. This is the reason so many religions prominently feature promises and threats of divine reward or punishment: "Believe X and you'll be rewarded; believe not-X and you'll be sorry" is more memetically fit than "It happens to be the case that X, but this has no particular further implications," because the former proposition creates incentives for propogating itself. It doesn't matter that the rewards and punishments don't actually exist— (at least, I don't think they exist, because I am not a carrier of the X religion meme) —a human in the grips of the idea will still be genuinely terrified of the punishment. The forces of memetic evolution don't care about the human's fear and suffering, because the forces of memetic evolution is just a pretentious name for the observation that ideas that are better at being replicated, are better at being replicated. It's not an agent that can care about anything. And of course, there are lots of other, subtler non-truth-tracking, non-usefulness-tracking features of an idea that could make it more memetically fit. Here's one: "You are a member of marginalized identity group Y; anyone who notices facts that could be construed to call this narrative into question is thereby hurting you by invalidating your identity." A human who has accepted—who has been taken hostage by—this idea, will feel genuine pain and distress whenever anyone notices facts that could be construed to call the narrative into question. And so the human's friends, who love and care about them, will dutifully make sure to pretend not to notice any inconvenient facts, and socially punish anyone who doesn't pretend not to notice, in order to avoid hurting their friend. Just like they would pay the ransom if their friend were kidnapped by terrorists. And with no one willing to mention any inconvenient facts for fear of being socially punished, the meme spreads. The friends care about the human. The forces of memetic evolution do not.
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there go those streams crossing again: Scott Alexander writes about cryptos. From the comments, apparently MIRI and CFAR are getting lots of donations in cryptos these days, and particularly from Vitalik Buterin, founder of Ethereum. Note also now, writing back on LessWrong, he's able to make a clear point in less than 6000 words.
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divabot posted:there go those streams crossing again: Scott Alexander writes about cryptos. Cryptolovingcurrencies. Don’t give their stupid usurpation of the term any air.
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eschaton posted:Cryptolovingcurrencies. I am sorry to break it to you that it's pretty much standard finance jargon now. https://twitter.com/sarahjeong/status/955651919279722496
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divabot posted:there go those streams crossing again: Scott Alexander writes about cryptos. I love the reasoning here. 6 years ago someone predicted that bitcoin had a 0.05% chance of "replacing a decent size fiat currency" and if it did it's value would shoot up to $10000. Scott notes that it is worth $10000 now and that only 10% of his readers made money off cryptocurrencies, and admonishes the community for being foolish to miss this opportunity! Of course, nobody on the original thread even mentioned the possibility that bitcoin would remain useless and still go up to $10000 due to ridiculous levels of speculative bubble hype. They still get credit for some reason. Apparently true rationalists should be able to predict the peak of speculative bubbles. 'Also the survey question he asked had no option for people having lost money on bitcoin. Because that''s just unheard of!
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ikanreed posted:Crypto stands for the crypt keeper It's a classic case of irrational exhume-erance! Hehehehehe 
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Is it actually possible to get your money back from bitcoin? Last I heard (a few years ago) MtGOX only let you withdraw less than $1000 a day, which kind of quashes any attempt at making money from trading them, unless you trade with people directly which is just begging to get yourself conned. Also didn't MtGoX run off with a few million in bitcoin?
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Is it actually possible to get your money back from bitcoin? Last I heard (a few years ago) MtGOX only let you withdraw less than $1000 a day, which kind of quashes any attempt at making money from trading them, unless you trade with people directly which is just begging to get yourself conned. It's possible but as you note frustrating due to the withdrawal limits the exchanges have. IIRC Coinbase/GDAX and Gemini (the two most trustworthy US dollar exchanges) have a $10k/day limit (I think you can get Coinbase to increase it to $50k but that means going through their nearly non-existent customer support). As for Mt. Gox, not quite. What happened was someone hacked them early on (around 2011 I think?) but they covered it up and started trying to trade their way out of insolvency which only ended up exacerbating the problem (and there may or may not have been further hacks as well). By 2014 it got to a point where they were pretty much out of both regular and virtual money and they had to go into bankruptcy. Ironically, Mt. Gox's creditors (who are mostly its customers) insisted on doing a liquidation bankruptcy (like chapter 7) because they were afriad that Bitcoin might never recover after the Mt. Gox scandal which meant that their debts were priced in JPY at the time the bankruptcy was filed (when Bitcoin was at around $300). Since the price of Bitcoin has increased by 26x since then (66x at the peak of the bubble in December) the value of the remaining Mt. Gox Bitcoins is now more than enough to pay off all creditors and any excess (which is in the millions) would go to the former CEO Mark Karpeles. As you can imagine Mt. Gox's customer are not very happy with this outcome.
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eschaton posted:Cryptolovingcurrencies. We lost this one, friend.
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Mr.Radar posted:It's possible but as you note frustrating due to the withdrawal limits the exchanges have. IIRC Coinbase/GDAX and Gemini (the two most trustworthy US dollar exchanges) have a $10k/day limit (I think you can get Coinbase to increase it to $50k but that means going through their nearly non-existent customer support). It's important to remember that Mark did nothing wrong
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Strom Cuzewon posted:Is it actually possible to get your money back from bitcoin? Last I heard (a few years ago) MtGOX only let you withdraw less than $1000 a day, which kind of quashes any attempt at making money from trading them, unless you trade with people directly which is just begging to get yourself conned. You cannot actually sell bitcoin for the price that it's "worth", ever. Magic the Gathering Online: Exchange and just about every other cryptocurrency exchange have constantly trading bots pumping the price 24 hours a day.
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divabot posted:EY's response is actually moderately sensible. Oh hey, someone in the comments just read Nassim Nicholas Taleb and wants to rewrite his ideas into a really boring series of posts. Ugh.
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Cavelcade posted:Oh hey, someone in the comments just read Nassim Nicholas Taleb and wants to rewrite his ideas into a really boring series of posts. Ugh. EY's facebook makes LW comments look sensible
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Puppy Time posted:I keep accidentally reading "crypto" as "cryptid." I'd totally use a currency backed by the full faith and credit of the Mothman.
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