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Pedestrian Xing
Jul 19, 2007

If I felt like my input would matter in the slightest I would bring all the stuff you guys mentioned up. I don't like the basic idea of scrum but what we have is such a horrible mutation of it that things are getting unbearable. At least I can usually tune out and work during the grooming/planning meetings.

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Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS
You sound absolutely miserable to work with. Are you that guy who sits in the corner and grunts whenever anyone tries to talk to you?

KoRMaK
Jul 31, 2012



Lol

What do you find your role to be if you can ignore planning meetings?

Dr. Arbitrary
Mar 15, 2006

Bleak Gremlin
If it's fake agile, it's easy to skip virtually everything because nobody's input matters anyways.

Chamook
Nov 17, 2006

wheeeeeeeeeeeeee
Line lengths should be between 80 chars and 115 chars, this way I can easily have 3 files side by side which is the truest path to enlightenment. This only seems to be challenging for Java developers who seem to hate the return key.

The point of half this agile stuff is so that you can work together in your team to solve problems, this requires a little bit of communication. Round here, people seem to focus on doing the meetings and then ignoring each other outside of them, and it drives me crazy.

Keetron
Sep 26, 2008

Check out my enormous testicles in my TFLC log!

Shft-scroll scrolls sideways.

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

Chamook posted:

Line lengths should be between 80 chars and 115 chars, this way I can easily have 3 files side by side which is the truest path to enlightenment. This only seems to be challenging for Java developers who seem to hate the return key.

The point of half this agile stuff is so that you can work together in your team to solve problems, this requires a little bit of communication. Round here, people seem to focus on doing the meetings and then ignoring each other outside of them, and it drives me crazy.

I much prefer my current team’s strategy of ending all the meetings early and talking to each other over email/hipchat or at someone’s desk.

We don’t even usually go to time at standup.

using Nonsensical.Extraneous.Overly.Verbose.Names.Is.a.Social.Construct.Of.Java.Developers.Not.Required.By.The.Language;

Blinkz0rz
May 27, 2001

MY CONTEMPT FOR MY OWN EMPLOYEES IS ONLY MATCHED BY MY LOVE FOR TOM BRADY'S SWEATY MAGA BALLS

leper khan posted:

using Nonsensical.Extraneous.Overly.Verbose.Names.Is.a.Social.Construct.Of.Java.Developers.Not.Required.By.The.Language;

Verbosity is always better because 99% of the time you're writing code for other people to read later.

Keetron
Sep 26, 2008

Check out my enormous testicles in my TFLC log!

Blinkz0rz posted:

Verbosity is always better because 99% of the time you're writing code for other people to read later.

And that someone could be you, 6 months older then you are now.

Volguus
Mar 3, 2009

leper khan posted:

using Nonsensical.Extraneous.Overly.Verbose.Names.Is.a.Social.Construct.Of.Java.Developers.Not.Required.By.The.Language;

You are right. neovniscjdnrbtl is so much better variable name. Everyone knows and will know until the end of times what that stands for, what it does and what's its purpose.

hailthefish
Oct 24, 2010

Surely there's a middle ground though.

:confused:

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


Middle grounds? In programming? No.

Sagacity
May 2, 2003
Hopefully my epitaph will be funnier than my custom title.
Use tabs instead of spaces 50% of the time

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Sagacity posted:

Use tabs instead of spaces 50% of the time
Odd-numbered tabs are hard tabs. Even-numbered tabs are four spaces.

Reverse for even-numbered lines.

Pedestrian Xing
Jul 19, 2007

KoRMaK posted:

Lol

What do you find your role to be if you can ignore planning meetings?

I work on my projects. Out of those 4 hour meetings, 15 minutes tops are relevant to me. The rest is mostly about a product I have never seen, much less worked on. I think part of the issue is that we have three completely separate products with different purposes, languages, and clients all grouped together and almost all our work is individual and compartmentalized.

e: I say three but if you consider each codebase a different product its more like 6 or 7

Pedestrian Xing fucked around with this message at 15:45 on Feb 5, 2018

Fellatio del Toro
Mar 21, 2009

There's a counter to the left of each line that tells you how long it should be. It makes all your code look like pizza slices :)

ChickenWing
Jul 22, 2010

:v:

Pollyanna posted:

Middle grounds? In programming? No.

The most correct thing you've ever posted in this thread

quote:

agilechat

Agile is good as long as your company doesn't really care how agile you are and you're free to suit the process to your needs.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


ChickenWing posted:

The most correct thing you've ever posted in this thread

Baby steps, I guess.

Munkeymon
Aug 14, 2003

Motherfucker's got an
armor-piercing crowbar! Rigoddamndicu𝜆ous.



Pollyanna posted:

Middle grounds? In programming? No.

Yeah, 'round here, we work in binary

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

Pedestrian Xing posted:

I work on my projects. Out of those 4 hour meetings, 15 minutes tops are relevant to me. The rest is mostly about a product I have never seen, much less worked on. I think part of the issue is that we have three completely separate products with different purposes, languages, and clients all grouped together and almost all our work is individual and compartmentalized.

e: I say three but if you consider each codebase a different product its more like 6 or 7

So tell your scrum master that they're wasting everyone's time by lumping completely unrelated teams into the same scrum meeting, and that it would be better to divide things up into separate scrum teams.

Doom Mathematic
Sep 2, 2008

ChickenWing posted:

Agile is good as long as your company doesn't really care how agile you are and you're free to suit the process to your needs.

It's deeply ironic that this needs to be stated, since "people's needs are more important than those of any arbitrary process" is literally the first Agile bullet point.

Clanpot Shake
Aug 10, 2006
shake shake!

Our ops guy keeps threatening to build a thing out of a raspberry pi that scans badges and counts how much money meetings cost the company. Sounds like our meetings are nowhere near as bad as some here.

Xarn
Jun 26, 2015

Vulture Culture posted:

Odd-numbered tabs are hard tabs. Even-numbered tabs are four spaces.

Reverse for even-numbered lines.

:suicide:

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Clanpot Shake posted:

Our ops guy keeps threatening to build a thing out of a raspberry pi that scans badges and counts how much money meetings cost the company. Sounds like our meetings are nowhere near as bad as some here.
Ah, yes, the "meetings are a cost center" guy who gets mad when people insist the same thing about his own job

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

Vulture Culture posted:

Ah, yes, the "meetings are a cost center" guy who gets mad when people insist the same thing about his own job

Less "meetings are a cost center" and more "there's an opportunity cost here, are you sure that rambling on about your pets to 20 people is the best use of our $1000 value?"

Of course, that can backfire ...

Vulture Culture
Jul 14, 2003

I was never enjoying it. I only eat it for the nutrients.

Volmarias posted:

Less "meetings are a cost center" and more "there's an opportunity cost here, are you sure that rambling on about your pets to 20 people is the best use of our $1000 value?"

Of course, that can backfire ...
Any meeting with 20 people in it was a doomed mess before it ever began

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009
Lol. One of the jobs I applied to has a application where they want you to put your previous salaries. I left that poo poo blank.

geeves
Sep 16, 2004

Vulture Culture posted:

Ah, yes, the "meetings are a cost center" guy who gets mad when people insist the same thing about his own job

We have an LED stock ticker scroller at work. It hits the google calendar API once a week. A few times a day it shows the total of the estimated cost of meetings for the week / month / year. It's the most passive aggressive thing I could think to write to not have too many meetings.

Virigoth
Apr 28, 2009

Corona rules everything around me
C.R.E.A.M. get the virus
In the ICU y'all......



Is this open source so I can put it on a screen behind me at work for my video meetings?

geeves
Sep 16, 2004

Virigoth posted:

Is this open source so I can put it on a screen behind me at work for my video meetings?

Yeah, it is. It's all on adafruit.

We followed this: https://wp.josh.com/2016/05/20/huge-scrolling-arduino-led-sign/ | GitHub

But really, you should make this:

https://learn.adafruit.com/guggenhat-bluetooth-le-wearable-neopixel-marquee-scrolling-led-hat-display/overview

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

ratbert90 posted:

Lol. One of the jobs I applied to has a application where they want you to put your previous salaries. I left that poo poo blank.

That’s the correct thing to do. It’s more annoying when they try to get at it over the phone, but it’s easy to say no a few times and drop the number you want (+20%) if they refuse to stop.

Pollyanna
Mar 5, 2005

Milk's on them.


God, I miss messing around with Adafruit/Arduino/RPi stuff. I should resurrect my old projects...

FlapYoJacks
Feb 12, 2009

leper khan posted:

Thats the correct thing to do. Its more annoying when they try to get at it over the phone, but its easy to say no a few times and drop the number you want (+20%) if they refuse to stop.

I say "What is the maximum you are willing to pay for the position?"

SimonChris
Apr 24, 2008

The Baron's daughter is missing, and you are the man to find her. No problem. With your inexhaustible arsenal of hard-boiled similes, there is nothing you can't handle.
Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/alexwarren/status/960934767989526528

geeves
Sep 16, 2004

leper khan posted:

That’s the correct thing to do. It’s more annoying when they try to get at it over the phone, but it’s easy to say no a few times and drop the number you want (+20%) if they refuse to stop.

I put 0. I said in the newbie thread, it's illegal to ask someone's salary in some states and specific cities in the US (mine being one of them). That usually shuts up the recruiters quickly.

leper khan
Dec 28, 2010
Honest to god thinks Half Life 2 is a bad game. But at least he likes Monster Hunter.

geeves posted:

I put 0. I said in the newbie thread, it's illegal to ask someone's salary in some states and specific cities in the US (mine being one of them). That usually shuts up the recruiters quickly.

It /is/ fun to use, “just fill in the position’s allocation” though.

JawnV6
Jul 4, 2004

So hot ...
Oh, does your state not mandate they provide the positions pay range upon an applicant's request?

Volmarias
Dec 31, 2002

EMAIL... THE INTERNET... SEARCH ENGINES...

JawnV6 posted:

Oh, does your state not mandate they provide the positions pay range upon an applicant's request?

What blighted socialist hellscape allows this outside of gov jobs?

spiritual bypass
Feb 19, 2008

Grimey Drawer
Freedom's just another word for doing 3 interviews to get a $50k offer

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New Yorp New Yorp
Jul 18, 2003

Only in Kenya.
Pillbug

Volmarias posted:

What blighted socialist hellscape allows this outside of gov jobs?

California. And I think New York, too.

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