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skasion posted:“Innovativeness”? Seriously Every DLC requires at least one additional bar or value that provides a scaling return from 0 to 100, with at least one special breakpoint that provides an additional reward.
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skasion posted:I mean I guess there’s nothing wrong with the mechanic, it’s just terrible name It is a terrible name. But they are running out of names for these things because they having so many!
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Feb 6, 2018 17:21
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I wish the diplomatic relations limit was by continent or something. It sucks to sail my way over to Asia from Europe only to not really have there wherewithal to insert myself into local politics and play various sultans and whatnot off of each other as I take land because all my slots are taken up with the intricate web of Europe. Instead I just drop doomstacks on Malaccans which is far less historical and fun.DDRJake posted:The Tech and Ideas alert also take on a new form if taking that tech/idea will result in an Innovativneess gain for your nation. I guess Jake doesn't like the name either. doingitwrong fucked around with this message at 17:55 on Feb 6, 2018 |
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Feb 6, 2018 17:51
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for fucks sake just start over and make eu5 without a million different bars to fill already
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Feb 6, 2018 18:00
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i have bad news. eu5 is going to have a million bars to start with
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Feb 6, 2018 18:03
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Such a yawn fest, an other stupid bar and one that punishes the dirty non-whites on top of being bland.
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Feb 6, 2018 18:14
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Tahirovic posted:Such a yawn fest, an other stupid bar and one that punishes the dirty non-whites on top of being bland. Pretty much. I'd really like it if they started merging poo poo rather than adding Yet Another Mana Counter to the loving game.
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Feb 6, 2018 19:29
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The only good thing I see about this mana bar is they’re trying to encourage being tall rather than wide. Too bad literally every other game mechanic encourages the opposite. Almost like...the game needs some sort of consolidation?? 
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Feb 6, 2018 19:52
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Innovativeness (lol) seems so worthless. You lose 0.1 a month for being behind your neighbours in tech, and when are you not behind in diplo if you're interacting with the game? It's going to drain way too fast to matter, especially as the way you get it gives it in such small chunks. Each "first buy" gain saves you 1 point on a tech or idea. How groundbreaking.
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Feb 6, 2018 20:23
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Yeah, it's getting absolutely absurd. I haven't played EUIV since drill/professionalism were introduced, and there's yet another loving bar after that, apparently. I mean, there's already a reward for having better tech. It's the rewards for having better tech. There's also an ahead of time reward for being ahead of time in tech. This game really needs either a sequel, or some massive consolidation so that there aren't at least 30-40 modifiers to keep track of, on everything from the province level to the state level to the empire level. Hell, nations even have unique government types or buttons (which are amazing!), that then sit on top of this whole mess. How on earth is a new player supposed to come in and understand how the game works?
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Feb 6, 2018 20:37
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I, for one, cannot believe that there is no easy way to track which Edicts I have going in my states. I just found out that I had the development cost discount running in a state for over 100 years!
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Feb 6, 2018 20:46
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I want to say there’s a map mode for it or some poo poo, but frankly who knows
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Feb 6, 2018 20:47
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Dirk the Average posted:Yeah, it's getting absolutely absurd. I haven't played EUIV since drill/professionalism were introduced, and there's yet another loving bar after that, apparently. Though whenever I read a chapter of A History of the World in 12 Maps I always feel the need to play EUIV the next day. Maybe there's some cross-promotion opportunity there !
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Feb 6, 2018 20:48
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Arright, when I saw the Mamluks looking half green, I slammed my way in. Managed to get all the way to Alexandria and cut off the Ottoman but he seems to have mostly wanted stuff near my other target in Antioch. Not looking forward to that, tbh, and meanwhile Kilwa has grabbed the gold that rightly belonged to me. Taking them out is just a matter of finding a way to fabricate on them or maybe just attack their allies and make them co-belligerent? Dirk the Average posted:How on earth is a new player supposed to come in and understand how the game works? This is after watching a shitload of streams and playing other Paradox games.
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Feb 6, 2018 21:03
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innovativeness is brilliant. if they were going for self-parody.
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Feb 6, 2018 21:05
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When EU4 is frothing at the mouth and coming up with new ideas like "Innovativeness" it's time to take him out to the back and put him down.
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Feb 6, 2018 21:15
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putting in a bug report to request "innovative ideas" be renamed "innovativeness ideas"
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Feb 6, 2018 21:21
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I don't even get why they wouldn't just call it Innovation
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Feb 6, 2018 21:25
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Probably the dumbest new mechanic ever, good job guys! How about you just change how the game works instead of trying to fix problems with 100 different paid DLCs that don't interact with each other?
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Feb 6, 2018 21:56
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This thread is saltier than the fields of Carthage.  It doesn't matter at all but I don't hate the new mechanic even though it seems kinda meaningless, unless you get 6/6/6 rulers or just use it to counter the power cost of having 1-2 corruption I guess. But I do like the idea and concept of it.
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Feb 6, 2018 22:47
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Why didn't you just throw historicality to the wind again, and just name it what you did in Vicky 2, "Plurality"?
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Feb 6, 2018 22:52
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RabidWeasel posted:How about you just change how the game works instead of trying to fix problems with 100 different paid DLCs that don't interact with each other? 
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Feb 6, 2018 23:25
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Hm yes I am definitely going to pay money to leave myself actively worse off in 90% of situations.
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Feb 6, 2018 23:47
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I just got to 100% Professionalism in in 1598 and I feel like that was pretty fast - should I be proud of myself?
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Feb 7, 2018 00:09
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I just got to 100% Professionalism in in 1598 and I feel like that was pretty fast - should I be proud of myself? I think 1600 is pretty reasonable time frame to get to 100 if you’re being conscientious about drilling and not spamming too many mercs. If you have a pretty passive start you can get there a good deal sooner, at the expense of your own entertainment.
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Feb 7, 2018 00:11
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That is quite fast, though some of the events give huge boosts, if you got lucky I can see that happening easily enough. I wish drilling was more meaningful so I could go 0 mercs without feeling like I'm intentionally gimping myself
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Feb 7, 2018 00:12
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If you max out Innovativeness and keep it full until 1821, it unlocks Victoria 3 which will be included in the patch.
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AAAAA! Real Muenster posted:I just got to 100% Professionalism in in 1598 and I feel like that was pretty fast - should I be proud of myself? that's a lot of recruiting standards to slacken, congrats
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RabidWeasel posted:That is quite fast, though some of the events give huge boosts, if you got lucky I can see that happening easily enough. Drilling is meaningful, it makes your soldiers mildly better for a bit and professionalism breakpoints give you some ok bonuses sure but it’s also a huge rear end manpower farm. Like mercs, it allows you to deal with the cost and limits on replacing troops lost during war, effectively giving you more staying power in a fight. And you can use both. It’s only -0.15 prof for each merc regiment (though it does also detract from your prof gain passively because it’s based on %forcelimit that is drilling which mercs can’t do), so at any rate stiffening your armies with a couple mercs now and again is not going to wreck you. skasion fucked around with this message at 01:04 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Feb 7, 2018 00:56
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Why are my boats so retarded? I'm so used to the boats in CK2 just being "load your fuckers into a boat, or put it in the middle then chain your morons through them" that this mess is infuriating Yes, leave the loving general behind and only load the horses first, five at a time, when you have 6 transports. This is a great plan!
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Feb 7, 2018 01:12
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Eh, Innovativeness seems like a good mechanic to me. It ties in nicely with older mechanics, boosts nations that can afford to tech ahead(generally the ones that aren't paying mountains of ADM and DIP to core/take territory), and it should make Europe a bit stronger vis-a-vis India and Asia without being too kludgy. The name; however, is irredeemable.
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Feb 7, 2018 01:17
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reignonyourparade posted:Hm yes I am definitely going to pay money to leave myself actively worse off in 90% of situations. Me, deciding to buy Cossacks.
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Feb 7, 2018 01:18
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Lance of Llanwyln posted:Eh, Innovativeness seems like a good mechanic to me. It ties in nicely with older mechanics, boosts nations that can afford to tech ahead(generally the ones that aren't paying mountains of ADM and DIP to core/take territory), and it should make Europe a bit stronger vis-a-vis India and Asia without being too kludgy. it's a completely passive mechanic that doesn't change the players decision-making in any meaningful way
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Feb 7, 2018 01:21
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Why are my boats so retarded? I'm so used to the boats in CK2 just being "load your fuckers into a boat, or put it in the middle then chain your morons through them" that this mess is infuriating I lost an OPM desperation war earlier today and had to restart because I forgot that the general won't go with the first boats for some reason.
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Feb 7, 2018 01:22
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Prav posted:it's a completely passive mechanic that doesn't change the players decision-making in any meaningful way The first person to take a tech of the given level in an area doesn't get the discount for their neighbor having the tech. Anyone after them in that area does. This makes teching up more appealing. The thing is, techs already give a benefit. The advantage to having teched up first is... having the tech before anyone else does. I mean, in theory it's great and all, and it makes being the first person to take a tech stronger, but at the same time, the game already has so much bullshit to track that it's really silly to add yet another loving point total to max out for more bonuses or penalties. If it were up to me and I had to make a mechanic for this, I'd just expand on the ahead of time bonuses and give a unique temporary modifier to the first person to discover a given tech. It'd help to make some of the less interesting techs more exciting by having them give stronger bonuses, while the super strong techs would give weaker bonuses since the advantage is in having them.
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Feb 7, 2018 01:47
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Why are my boats so retarded? I'm so used to the boats in CK2 just being "load your fuckers into a boat, or put it in the middle then chain your morons through them" that this mess is infuriating It's even more insane that this is after they already fixed it. It used to be even worse.
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Feb 7, 2018 01:49
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Xinder posted:I lost an OPM desperation war earlier today and had to restart because I forgot that the general won't go with the first boats for some reason. And then you can't assign them in a boat ~because of reasons or whatever~ Completely loving idiocy. AnoHito posted:It's even more insane that this is after they already fixed it. It used to be even worse. The fact that the bote combat poo poo is also pretty much the same as CK2 combat: "just slam more mans" is pretty helpful, tho I have no idea what heavies do, I just try to have more than the other guy and spam galleys when it says its better there Also what the heck can I do about inflation? Is it just take economic/the advisor or pay it down? Because it's third idea time for Ethiopia and I was thinking humanism would probably be good so I can just keep conquering without having to deal with all these dang revolts but I'm only two more wars away from 3 more gold mines and a few years away from coring 2 more
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Feb 7, 2018 02:42
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skasion posted:I think 1600 is pretty reasonable time frame to get to 100 if you’re being conscientious about drilling and not spamming too many mercs. If you have a pretty passive start you can get there a good deal sooner, at the expense of your own entertainment.
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Deceitful Penguin posted:Also what the heck can I do about inflation? Is it just take economic/the advisor or pay it down? Because it's third idea time for Ethiopia and I was thinking humanism would probably be good so I can just keep conquering without having to deal with all these dang revolts but I'm only two more wars away from 3 more gold mines and a few years away from coring 2 more just ignore it pay it down with paper if it becomes a serious problem
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