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Alpha Mayo posted:my account  poop touched!
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Dr. Fishopolis posted:banning durians makes sense because those things smell like a month old diaper pail but I don't get why you'd ban mangosteens unless you just don't like lowtax and you're super passive agressive about it Already touched on, but from what I have read stains from mangosteen juice are very difficult to remove.
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I live in Minnesota and it gets cold in my apartment. Is clicking Nicehash's "Start" button when I'm at my computer and cold Stupid, Less Stupid, or Not Stupid? (1080ti) Dollars spent on hardware I wouldn't have spent anyway: 0 Dollars spent on buttcoins: 0
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Feb 7, 2018 03:11
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its a heater that breaks even or better instead of costing money. Sounds smart to me.
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Feb 7, 2018 03:17
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Would you run an electric space heater if your computer wasn't warming the room? It's cheaper than an electric space heater but more expensive than any other type of heat you might have. Actually with a 1080 ti you're still profitable, but in the range of 20 dollars for 2 weeks, 10 dollars a day is gone now.
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Feb 7, 2018 03:18
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Yeah - if you would be running a heater anyway and the income from mining is more than the cost of electricity then it's a straightforward decision to run what is effectively a free heater, but both of those factors are important to consider since computers are relatively costly heat sources compared to something like centralized heat pumps or natural gas heaters.
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Feb 7, 2018 03:22
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Almost everywhere using electricity to heat things is the least efficient and most expensive option. Double bad points if your electricity comes from coal.
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https://youtu.be/6KsvOkILh4k
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Feb 7, 2018 04:27
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Eletriarnation posted:Yeah - if you would be running a heater anyway and the income from mining is more than the cost of electricity then it's a straightforward decision to run what is effectively a free heater, but both of those factors are important to consider since computers are relatively costly heat sources compared to something like centralized heat pumps or natural gas heaters. As craig588 pointed out, this is only going to be true if your primary source of heat is electrical. And even then a space heater is going to be a lot more efficient at converting power into heat, but with the downside of not rewarding you with tokens that other people are willing to buy from you, so the economic advantage of mining shrinks when the markets are down
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Feb 7, 2018 05:32
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did you... wait what did you do
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Feb 7, 2018 05:39
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QuarkJets posted:As craig588 pointed out, this is only going to be true if your primary source of heat is electrical. And even then a space heater is going to be a lot more efficient at converting power into heat, but with the downside of not rewarding you with tokens that other people are willing to buy from you, so the economic advantage of mining shrinks when the markets are down PC's are actually as efficient as electric space heaters https://www.pugetsystems.com/labs/articles/Gaming-PC-vs-Space-Heater-Efficiency-511/#Conclusion
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Feb 7, 2018 05:40
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Don Lapre posted:PC's are actually as efficient as electric space heaters Basic thermodynamics could tell you the same thing. Energy is not created or destroyed, every watt consumed by any electronic device is going to be converted to some other form of energy, and that's going to mostly be light, sound, motion, or heat. Any light, sound, or motion also mostly turn into heat afterwards as well.
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lmbo, jesus christ. Hey, everyone. Watch this before he pulls it.
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Don Lapre posted:PC's are actually as efficient as electric space heaters Well yeah, when you design a PC specifically to have the same power draw as a space heater then of course the PC is going to look like the equivalently-rated space heater. From the experimental setup: quote:The space heater we used was a $25 HC-0114T 1000/1500W space heater that can be found under various brand names. When we measured the power draw, we found that on the low setting it pulled 870-890 watts depending on how hot the heater was. This is a lot of power and we ended up needing a gaming PC with three NVIDIA GTX Titans in triple SLI running Furmark to match the power draw. I don't think that the OP's system looks much like the system in this experiment. Granted, heat is still heat, but if you want to heat a room quickly then a space heater is going to be more effective at that until you reach the several-GPUs in a milk crate level of mining QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 06:02 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Feb 7, 2018 05:59
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QuarkJets posted:Well yeah, when you design a PC specifically to have the same power draw as a space heater then of course the PC is going to look like the equivalently-rated space heater. From the experimental setup: We were talking about efficiency, not effectiveness. They only built it up that much to match the wattage. If it had a GTX1030 it would still be as efficient.
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Don Lapre posted:We were talking about efficiency, not effectiveness. They only built it up that much to match the wattage. If it had a GTX1030 it would still be as efficient. Then why did you post an article about effectiveness? The efficiency angle comes from most people not running space heaters 24/7
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Feb 7, 2018 06:14
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Natural Gas heating is about 3x more effective cost per thermal unit than electric. So if you need to heat your home in the winter, as long as the value per coin is more than 3x your electricity cost, you're making money turning your gaming rig into a very convoluted and complex space heater. Unless you're a loss leader in the mining world, you're gonna save money by buttcoin mining with your gaming rig. That or you're in a part of the world where you need to pay to cool poo poo down, in which case you're losing twice.
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Peachfart posted:lmbo, jesus christ. Hey, everyone. Watch this before he pulls it. i only pull babes bud
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QuarkJets posted:Then why did you post an article about effectiveness? I didn't?  Someone said "And even then a space heater is going to be a lot more efficient at converting power into heat" I posted an article showing a gaming pc was AS efficient as a space heater at converting power into heat, as apposed to less efficient. The whole point of the article I linked is to show that a gaming PC puts out the same amount of heat as a space heater of the same power draw. Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 06:32 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Feb 7, 2018 06:25
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Don Lapre posted:I didn't? That article features this chart of Change in Temperature vs Time:  You criticism that this is measuring effectiveness, not efficiency, is totally valid. I agree with you. But the article doesn't measure or show anything else. If you want to talk about efficiency only, then the area under the curves basically look the same, like you'd expect. This was my actual point: QuarkJets posted:The efficiency angle comes from most people not running space heaters 24/7 QuarkJets fucked around with this message at 06:42 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Feb 7, 2018 06:39
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Peachfart posted:lmbo, jesus christ. Hey, everyone. Watch this before he pulls it. ...What the gently caress is this
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PerrineClostermann posted:...What the gently caress is this It is ignorients being ironic being totally serious
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Alpha Mayo posted:People talk about Coinbase gift cards but I don't see them in my account, am I missing something?  E: You need to buy Gyft credit with coinbase first, which can then in turn be used for Amazon/ebay etc cards. I now can't do that because I had to use VPN to sign up for Gyft but Coinbase freaks out and requires special authorization for the new computer and I guess I messed that process up and have to wait 24 hours. Fuuuck. Do these developers assume people never travel? mobby_6kl fucked around with this message at 12:55 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Feb 7, 2018 12:39
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I mean, they design these systems for buttcoiners who move so little from their buttminers that they get heat strokes, so...
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Methylethylaldehyde posted:Natural Gas heating is about 3x more effective cost per thermal unit than electric. So if you need to heat your home in the winter, as long as the value per coin is more than 3x your electricity cost, you're making money turning your gaming rig into a very convoluted and complex space heater. The coins you mine could be worth less than the cost of electricity to mine them, while still being cheaper than natural gas. If the coins were worth just as much as the electricity to mine them, you'd be getting free heat. Unless natural gas is free as well, it can't be that cheap.
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Zero VGS posted:It is ignorients being ironic being totally serious tbf I hate that loving computer cause its like a heat tomb but yes I am 100% serious. I'm going to be putting out videos every hour that im home because i never realized how easy that was so like, subscribe, and visit my patreon please
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ohgodwhat posted:The coins you mine could be worth less than the cost of electricity to mine them, while still being cheaper than natural gas. It's 2-3 times as expensive to heat with electric in most places, even if you have super-cheap electric (the second comparison is with 0.06c/kWh) http://www.erpud.com/comparison.htm http://www.centerpointenergy.com/en-us/Services/Pages/natural-gas-electricity-cost-comparison.aspx?sa=MN&au=bus
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1gnoirents over in the green thread they gave a name for your investment strategy it's "picking up nickels in front of a steamroller"
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Davorcoin exited https://medium.com/@davorcoin/important-announcement-about-the-davor-project-257ea8516db9 Paying people out in davcoin that is worthless. Don Lapre fucked around with this message at 16:45 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Feb 7, 2018 16:43
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Paul MaudDib posted:It's 2-3 times as expensive to heat with electric in most places, even if you have super-cheap electric (the second comparison is with 0.06c/kWh) But you're not heating with just electric heaters, you're heating with buttmining. Buttmining is "free" as long as the mining income exceeds the electrical cost. In the winter, this reduces the workload on your gas heater but "doesn't cost" anything as long as the buttmining is profitable. Buttmining is a fun word, incidentally.
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Dren posted:1gnoirents over in the green thread they gave a name for your investment strategy it's "picking up nickels in front of a steamroller" Lol I like it edit: On a more serious note finally, is anybody seeing a lot of "benchmark failed" issues with Nicehash recently? I cant even figure out which ones its complaining about but it does seem to interfere with mining sometimes. It spans all my machines and cards and I can't find a common thread. Particularly it can stop it from auto-starting or sometimes it just stops the GPU outright. I'm having to babysit a lot more and its kind of a pain as I remote in for most of it. And on that topic, Teamviewer flagged me as commercial use, has that happened to anybody here? I'm using VNC as an alternative but its limited to 5 machines registered which is an issue for me. I've been depending on Chrome Remote desktop a lot more recently which SUCKS 1gnoirents fucked around with this message at 17:27 on Feb 7, 2018 |
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Feb 7, 2018 17:19
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Well you're getting "paid" so that's commercial use for team viewer.
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necrotic posted:Well you're getting "paid" so that's commercial use for team viewer. Yeah I get it in a loose sense, but they offer no reasonable personal license options whatsoever. It shouldnt qualify because it is definitely not a commercial use but I understand the grey area. I'm not going to try and circumvent it and VNC is just as good in terms of usability, but their cap is putting a strain on me and they have no reasonable pricing option either for my purposes. I wish Chrome remote desktop worked better but I get a "dead project" feel for that. All of this wouldnt be a big concern if Nicehash wasn't causing problems though, which is my real issue.
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1gnoirents posted:Yeah I get it in a loose sense, but they offer no reasonable personal license options whatsoever. It shouldnt qualify because it is definitely not a commercial use but I understand the grey area. I'm not going to try and circumvent it and VNC is just as good in terms of usability, but their cap is putting a strain on me and they have no reasonable pricing option either for my purposes. I wish Chrome remote desktop worked better but I get a "dead project" feel for that. Chrome Remote Desktop still works really well, also they recently updated it to work in the Chrome browser: https://remotedesktop.google.com/
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about the only way to get around TV's bullshit is to run it in a VM, then reload the VM when it decides to gently caress you again.
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Zero VGS posted:Chrome Remote Desktop still works really well, also they recently updated it to work in the Chrome browser: https://remotedesktop.google.com/ I have a couple issues with Chrome remote desktop. Its Windows 10 support is almost broken (things like they havent coded it so Windows doesnt assume Tablet mode, which removes your cursor a lot of the time), the computer list is wrong at least half the time for me even on the same physical network, it has a lot of missing "send command" pass through stuff, I've never gotten the phone viewer to work right at all, it drops connections at a disproportionate rate to others, and it basically doesnt work through firewalls. I say basically because it does work sometimes, but pulling a figure out of my rear end I'd say 90% of the time it refuses connection through a (physical) firewall. I dont get that at all as I feel it should work or not work, and other clients have no issue riding port 80. And one of the biggest issues of all: it does not reliably start up at the login screen. Also to get nitpicky it has no support for wake on LAN. The upside is there are no limits and its free and lightweight. I've used it as a backup remote viewer for a long time now and its been great for that but using it as a primary remote viewer has strained its capabilities. Maybe I've been unlucky.
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1gnoirents posted:VNC is just as good in terms of usability, but their cap is putting a strain on me and they have no reasonable pricing option either for my purposes. vnc is an open source project with a million implementations, who are you even talking about? pick a free one dummy
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1gnoirents posted:Lol I like it I had TV flag me for connecting to machines on my second network for days at a time (I was lazy when setting up new VMs). I switched to AnyDesk which is basically the same thing for remote access and have been using iTALC which is a multi-vnc viewing thing for watching VMs on my LAN(s) from a couple of mini pcs. iTALC is made for classrooms so a teacher can watch the student PCs but it's good for keeping an eye on your VMs or whatever if they're on the same LAN. I did the teamviewer "I wasn't using this commercially I swear" form on their website and they reset me to free/personal use but I've been using it for years without this coming up before so I figure they're trying to crack down on the free version, hence the changeover to Anydesk.
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Yeah just search free vnc. I don't know history of security issues or anything but if you're mining crypto I doubt you care much. TightVNC is free as heck, just use that.
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1gnoirents posted:Lol I like it Try MeshCentral its free
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