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Is that enough to kill it if Pelosi manages to keep everyone in line?
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Skex posted:If you really want to do something about this the only option is to work your rear end off to try and put more Democrats into congress because unless and until that happens this is just a battle of attrition and the victories will be few and fleeting.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:01
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Lycus posted:Seriously, what does Shep have on Murdoch? Shep was extremely close to Ailes so I've always assumed he had some insane contract.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:02
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Kilroy posted:Love that I'm the spectre haunting the Trump thread. Giving collaborators the heebie-jeebies. *Dons politimask, swooshes off into the night!* lmao Come on man, that was hella nerdy.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:02
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The Glumslinger posted:Is that enough to kill it if Pelosi manages to keep everyone in line? https://twitter.com/elwasson/status/961404652251222021
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Feb 8, 2018 02:03
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well least it will be on them.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:05
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So the 8 hour speech really means jack poo poo.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:05
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Kilroy posted:Okay, but at the same time while the Democrats may not have pulled the trigger, at least some of them helped hand the GOP the gun. And that needs to be dealt with. You can't just point out that the Democrats are in an unwinnable situation without addressing the hubris and the stupidity that led to it. So it's not just about "we need to elect Democrats" - we need to elect the right Democrats and that means rejecting some of the ones that suck, going forward. Call it a purity test if you like - they need to pass it. It is a litmus test. To roll with the same metaphor, is handing someone a gun equivalent to pulling the trigger, if your choices are gun A, or gun B? KickerOfMice fucked around with this message at 02:08 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Feb 8, 2018 02:06
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Kilroy posted:So it's not just about "we need to elect Democrats" - we need to elect the right Democrats and that means rejecting some of the ones that suck, going forward. Call it a purity test if you like - they need to pass it. The test is calibrated to the composition of their district, it’s not a universal test. Feinstein is better than Manchin but he passes and she doesn’t. Purity test all the democrats in blue districts if you want, but shut up when we’re trying to win a red one.
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Here is the EvilWeasel post from earlier about bluedogs, and if you're just joining us, this is not only a Good Post, but a clear, dispassionate explanation.evilweasel posted:i mean the kilroys of the world are sort of too dumb to realize that the democratic party (like the republican party) is a coalition of interest groups forced together because of the reality of fptp voting. a democrat in west virginia should not be the same as a democrat in new york, or even in a swing state like wisconsin. west virginia is a hellhole that desperately, desperately wants to support trump. they actually like trump. And also Kilroy sucks.  (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Feb 8, 2018 02:13
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Rob Porter resigning is a big loss for Trump. Seems like the biggest story today but maybe already swept away in something bigger?
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Feb 8, 2018 02:21
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The Glumslinger posted:Is that enough to kill it if Pelosi manages to keep everyone in line? Pelosi should let a few of them also vote no, but a majority yes. If the majority of HFC is the cause of its failure, it doesn't really matter if one or two democrats went along with them.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:22
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evilweasel posted:i mean the kilroys of the world are sort of too dumb to realize that the democratic party (like the republican party) is a coalition of interest groups forced together because of the reality of fptp voting. a democrat in west virginia should not be the same as a democrat in new york, or even in a swing state like wisconsin. west virginia is a hellhole that desperately, desperately wants to support trump. they actually like trump. Democrats have won 21 of the last 20 senatorial elections in West Virginia. The idea that no one but Manchin could win that seat is pure nonsense. mcmagic fucked around with this message at 02:30 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Feb 8, 2018 02:25
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https://mobile.twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/961409458571227136 https://mobile.twitter.com/jdawsey1/status/961409964093911040 Knives are out for Kelly.
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/961409458571227136 Good. He's the worst of the scum that works there.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:27
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mcmagic posted:Democrats have won 21 of the last 20 senatorial elections in Went Virginia. The idea that no one but Manchin could win that seat is pure nonsense. Which is basically completely done now, btw
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Feb 8, 2018 02:28
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mcmagic posted:Democrats have won 21 of the last 20 senatorial elections in Went Virginia. The idea that no one but Manchin could win that seat is pure nonsense. edit: ah, I see it's already started - well, best of luck *tags you in*
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Feb 8, 2018 02:29
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DaveWoo posted:https://mobile.twitter.com/gabrielsherman/status/961409458571227136 Good. Kelly is a horrible, smug, destructive piece of poo poo. The sooner he's out the better.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:30
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theflyingorc posted:Whoops, somebody doesn't understand anything about the South's re-alignment after Nixon! Democrats won 14 of the 15 senatorial races in West Virginia after Nixon.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:31
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mcmagic posted:Democrats have won 21 of the last 20 senatorial elections in West Virginia. The idea that no one but Manchin could win that seat is pure nonsense. ???
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Feb 8, 2018 02:32
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mcmagic posted:Democrats won 14 of the 15 senatorial races in West Virginia after Nixon. So yes, you don't understand it. A quick hint, you're doing the equivalent of saying "The KKK was started by the Democrats!", but with more recent history
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Feb 8, 2018 02:32
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mcmagic posted:Democrats won 14 of the 15 senatorial races in West Virginia after Nixon. Robert Byrd was in the Klan. e: my bad, he formed a chapter of the Klan and recruited 150 people. Ague Proof fucked around with this message at 02:39 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Feb 8, 2018 02:34
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In 2018 we have Russia attacking US special forces embedded with Kurdish socialists in Syria, all while reality TV star Donald J. Trump is president. If you would have told people that during the Cold War, you'd be laughed out of the room. Hell, 6 years ago you still would have been laughed out of the room.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:34
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theflyingorc posted:So yes, you don't understand it. Yeah something that happened 6 years ago the same thing as something that happened 150 years ago. No difference at all.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:35
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Democrats have won 54 of the last 62 Texas Governor races, why you’re a brokebrain fool if you think it isn’t a blue state!
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Feb 8, 2018 02:35
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If Kelly goes, the prospects for an actual DACA deal go up significantly. Miller would still be there but he does not have the access to Trump that Kelly does.
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Feb 8, 2018 02:36
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TulliusCicero posted:I personally applaud the judge for seeing right through Milo's bullshit and just telling him to gently caress off. It doesn't help Milo that he made it abundantly clear he wants to pepe the opposition to death. Judges I think generally love to tell people who don't know what they're talking about to gently caress off.
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Trabisnikof posted:Democrats have won 54 of the last 62 Texas Governor races, why you’re a brokebrain fool if you think it isn’t a blue state! Never said it was a blue state. (Though Dems can win in Texas just like they can win in WV and in Alabama)
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mcmagic posted:Yeah something that happened 6 years ago the same thing as something that happened 150 years ago. No difference at all. You are fundamentally are not grasping the VERY BASICS of what I'm referring to at a staggering level of ignorance. The short version is this: in much of the south after Nixon's realignment, the clear delineation of Democrat = Liberal, Republican = Conservative was not clear for an extremely long time.
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don't respond to kilroy his posting is the equivalent of the alt-right "lol triggered much lib snowflakes" but from the left
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Feb 8, 2018 02:45
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The Glumslinger posted:Is that enough to kill it if Pelosi manages to keep everyone in line? Pretty much. It's why the HFC have so much power over Paul Ryan.
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dont even fink about it posted:Judges I think generally love to tell people who don't know what they're talking about to gently caress off. The 9th circuit federal appeals court posts videos. Adults discussing adult topics like adults. It's kinda a relief to watch. 17-15589 State of Hawaii v. Donald Trump https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00c9__i_o80
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Feb 8, 2018 02:48
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Jiffletta posted:Bull loving poo poo. Leftists have never ONCE given Dems credit for trying and failing. Do you have any examples of this occurring? DaveWoo posted:Knives are out for Kelly. God-willing. Kelly's one of the biggest racists in the WH, and yes, that is a high bar I'm setting.
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lol, not to mention that the previous Democrat Senators who aren't Manchin appear to literally be 3 people this demonstrates that anyone can win, not that the person making this argument has a fundamental misunderstanding of the world
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Hellblazer187 posted:Well, yeah. If the house doesn't pass anything you're absolutely right. I'm talking about a senate filibuster of a budget or CR, which is what happened before and what several posters in this thread are advocating for. That is not going to happen because the Senate Dems have shaken hands on a 6-week CR in exchange for a promise of a DACA vote within 6 weeks. If DACA is passed and signed into law, then the Senate Dems will agree to a 2-year budget. Pelosi is willing to accept that same kind of deal, except Paul Ryan is not willing to promise a DACA vote. So right now the Dems in the house are going "well hell, if you won't even give us a promise which you could just break later, then screw you, pass it yourselves"
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Pellisworth posted:don't respond to kilroy  I get probated when I post about other posters so I'm not going to explicitly call anyone out, but... get a life fellas 
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Minnesota caucusquote:The 2018 election unofficially kicked off in Minnesota Tuesday evening, as tens of thousands of Minnesotans piled into their local school gymnasiums, cafeterias and community centers to signal their preference in the open race for governor and debate the core values of their chosen parties.
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Kilroy posted:You and about a half-dozen other posters have been at this literally all drat day. You could probably fill a single page with nothing but posts from the last ten that say nothing other than "don't respond to kilroy because *fartz*". I haven't accused anyone of being "triggered" but it kinda sounds like you're triggered, to be honest This thread is not the problem. You are not a persecuted victim.
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