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The Ayshkerbundy posted:My webcomic is gonna have humans with snouts Dominic Deegan already exists though
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Autonomous Monster posted:No snouts. No snouts. She's got a side website just for drawing porn of the characters so Iiiiiii think it's pretty furry, my dude
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Feb 7, 2018 20:30
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:When I make a comic I'm going to make all the characters human, then as soon as you're all invested I'm reuploading all the pages to retroactively make them dogs with big snouts. Ah, the Terraciano method
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Feb 7, 2018 20:51
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:When I make a comic I'm going to make all the characters human, then as soon as you're all invested I'm reuploading all the pages to retroactively make them dogs with big snouts. I actually saw that happen to a comic once. It started out with a main character who was otherwise a normal human, it posted about 10 pages, fell into development hell for about a year, and then when it started updating again the character had cat ears and a tail for literally no reason. It has since fallen back into development hell and I have lost all reason to care about it ever coming back.
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Feb 7, 2018 21:12
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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:When I make a comic I'm going to make all the characters human, then as soon as you're all invested I'm reuploading all the pages to retroactively make them dogs with big snouts. 
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Feb 7, 2018 21:36
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So, I just read "Seeds: a Mini Story". It is so mini that it has over 200 pages and a video. It also went nowhere, going to poo poo once the protags finally get to hell. It also has an epilogue that's entirely unrelated to the characters and the events of the story. And, of course, it's not finished. In summary, it's just a big furry waste of time spread over 200 pages of this:  Bobulus posted:I know nothing about Floraverse except a friend told me not to read it because the author was a creep or something. But I don't know details. A creep, uh? Also, seems pretty snouty to me.
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Feb 7, 2018 22:31
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The real question is, why the hell do you care if it's a furry comic in Twenty Goddamn Eighteen? Like, whether a comic is good or not has nothing to do with whether it has talking animal people.
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Feb 7, 2018 22:53
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Agreed, problem is it is not a good comic. It is in fact bad.
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Feb 7, 2018 23:04
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Art style looks pretty nice though. That said, I can't be bothered even starting if the prologue is 200 pages.
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Feb 7, 2018 23:16
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Prologue 1 is like 10 pages. Itchy Itchy is the best place to start. I don't know why Seeds is the recommended starting place. Most of Seeds takes place far from where most of the stuff in the comic is and there's the first part of Seeds, 20 chapters, then more Seeds that only makes sense if you read everything.
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Feb 7, 2018 23:58
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Dogwood Fleet posted:Prologue 1 is like 10 pages. So like why would I pick this comic up over one where I don't need some kind of flowchart of what to read
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It is very immature but I admit I got slightly salted when Cucumber Quest finished it's Prologue and immediately began Chapter 0.
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Feb 8, 2018 00:09
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Funny animals are a sacred cartoons and comics genre. If your comic isn't full of furries, Why Is That?Samuringa posted:It is very immature but I admit I got slightly salted when Cucumber Quest finished it's Prologue and immediately began Chapter 0. Whats with webcomics and extended prologues anyway? I swear every webcomic I read has like fifty pages devoted to introducing the principal cast and their special abilities before anything begins happening. Like c'mon dogg, I'll figure out who everyone is, get to the good stuff!!!! (events) I also have not read a webcomic since like the year of luigi though so take this complaint with a grain of salt
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Feb 8, 2018 04:33
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FunkyAl posted:Whats with webcomics and extended prologues anyway?
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Feb 8, 2018 04:43
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What is it with people calling the bulk of their stories "prologues" anyway? Have some confidence in your work, the story begins when you start telling it.
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Maybe that really is the prologue though..? vvvv Yea vvvvv Jackard fucked around with this message at 06:34 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Jackard posted:I've read a comic about vikings where the prologue is about fifty chapters long. Vinland Saga?
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FunkyAl posted:Funny animals are a sacred cartoons and comics genre. If your comic isn't full of furries, Why Is That? 
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my favourite prologue was ssss because it's like a hundred pages long and introduces all these characters that are impossible to tell apart and just when you've managed to figure out who's who, they all die
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true leftist posted:my favourite prologue was ssss because it's like a hundred pages long and introduces all these characters that are impossible to tell apart and just when you've managed to figure out who's who, they all die i feel like the prologue’s fine if you view it as a series of vignettes about the world getting hosed instead of actually trying to keep the characters straight, but of course there’s no way to know that going in blind.
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Feb 8, 2018 08:59
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Jackard posted:Maybe that really is the prologue though..? Are you sure it wasn't just an independent story arc preceding a timeskip with an ending labelled END OF THE PROLOGUE designed to get readers to go "holy poo poo that was just the prologue?!  "People have gotten dangerously close to stripping the word "prologue" of any meaningful, and therefore useful, definition.
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Feb 8, 2018 17:54
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I did a prologue for my comic but it was only one page long and I did it a week before I had scheduled the pages to start auto-publishing because I was super excited to get it started and also wanted to pay homage to Wind Waker's intro*. I can provide no real insight into why people do long prologues, though. Maybe they are way more excited about starting than I was, to the point of producing an entire extra story arc in anticipation. edit: * Only in the sense of the opening legend imagery, not the part where the main character fucks around in his hometown learning how to use a sword, crawl through grass, and pick up pigs. Fortis fucked around with this message at 18:07 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Xarbala posted:What is it with people calling the bulk of their stories "prologues" anyway? Starting a chapter (or just the comic) without a disclaimer implies commitment to an arc or a point, when most of these folks want to dither around forever playing with their imaginary friends and lovingly detailing all the status effects the Sword of Enfuckening +1 applies in their comic that isn't a videogame true leftist posted:my favourite prologue was ssss because it's like a hundred pages long and introduces all these characters that are impossible to tell apart and just when you've managed to figure out who's who, they all die SSSS's prologue is the only good prologue, in that instead of vomiting ~worldbuilding~ at you it tells you exactly what you need to know before reading the comic; i.e. that it's pretty, updates at machinegun pace, and despite that is incredibly, incredibly slow-moving. A Wizard of Goatse fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Feb 8, 2018 18:22
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It might be that might brevity is a skill in itself. Some people get started on a project, crank out a bunch of pages, and then it sinks in that what they planned will last them until the end of time, and then start learning to wrap up things into more manageable parts. Of course, other people steadily build confidence and lose focus over time, putting out longer and longer chapters with more and more disparate elements going every which way.
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SlothfulCobra posted:Of course, other people steadily build confidence and lose focus over time, putting out longer and longer chapters with more and more disparate elements going every which way. This is so easy to do it's ridiculous. I'd say the vast majority of comic creators in general could do with a good editor keeping them focused.
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SlothfulCobra posted:It might be that might brevity is a skill in itself. Some people get started on a project, crank out a bunch of pages, and then it sinks in that what they planned will last them until the end of time, and then start learning to wrap up things into more manageable parts. It's also funny to me that this happens because the ability to be concise is one of the main strengths of comics. You can pack a lot of information into an image and imply a lot of information between panels, if you do it right a page of comics can be relative to several pages of a novel. Comics needs more devoted semioticians! 
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The only webcomic I've read that deserved to have a bit of itself clearly labelled PROLOGUE is It Hurts!! and it doesn't even do that. Chapter 1 doesn't even finish for another like hundred pages after where you'd put END OF THE PROLOGUE!
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FunkyAl posted:It's also funny to me that this happens because the ability to be concise is one of the main strengths of comics. You can pack a lot of information into an image and imply a lot of information between panels, if you do it right a page of comics can be relative to several pages of a novel. Comics needs more devoted semioticians!  decompression is The Worst Thing. a comic is not a storyboard, you don't need to frame out every shot and every action.
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A Better Place also has a good strong prologue that isn't labelled as such. There's a dozen pages or so showing how Hannah got her powers before getting a cut to years later, long after she took over the world, where the plot starts. And that knowledge of how Hannah got her powers is key to what the characters are aiming to do, so it's important to include.
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Chapter 2 is twice as long as Chapter 1. Chapter 3 is only a little longer than Chapter 2, but it's clearly only the first half of an arc that would have been a single chapter. Chapter 4 aims to finish the arc started in Chapter 3, but meanders and is mostly about a new character the author is really excited about. By now the events of Chapter 2 feel mythological ages ago even though in-fiction it's only been half a day, so Chapter 5 is all about resolving the epic-feeling sub-plot of a sub-plot of a sub-plot that's become the entire story now -- and it's as long as the first three chapters put together. Chapter 6 started in 2015 and has four pages so far.
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Straight White Shark posted:
This is completely true and yet some readers will complain if you dare to imply things happened between panels/scenes or off-panel rather than show them, so maybe that's another place it comes from. Like early on in BSF there is a point where Character A asks Character B, "Didn't you say you were on a quest of your own?" as a way of introducing the entire idea of Character B's whole deal, and I had people telling me it was "bad storytelling." Like I guess I could have spent a couple pages with Character B looking through the local library or whatever and getting frustrated that there wasn't any information here either to get you thinking "oh boy what is Character B's deal? Is she on a quest of her own???" but it STILL would have come up in that scene later, making it entirely superfluous and we've got narrative places to be, drat it. So incorporating bullshit feedback might also be a factor in the lack of brevity, along with the tendency artists can have to want to focus on every little thing when they probably shouldn't. Fortis fucked around with this message at 19:32 on Feb 8, 2018 |
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Ditocoaf posted:Chapter 2 is twice as long as Chapter 1. Chapter 3 is only a little longer than Chapter 2, but it's clearly only the first half of an arc that would have been a single chapter. Chapter 4 aims to finish the arc started in Chapter 3, but meanders and is mostly about a new character the author is really excited about. By now the events of Chapter 2 feel mythological ages ago even though in-fiction it's only been half a day, so Chapter 5 is all about resolving the epic-feeling sub-plot of a sub-plot of a sub-plot that's become the entire story now -- and it's as long as the first three chapters put together. Chapter 6 started in 2015 and has four pages so far. this is like the world's hardest jeopardy question
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Ditocoaf posted:Chapter 2 is twice as long as Chapter 1. Chapter 3 is only a little longer than Chapter 2, but it's clearly only the first half of an arc that would have been a single chapter. Chapter 4 aims to finish the arc started in Chapter 3, but meanders and is mostly about a new character the author is really excited about. By now the events of Chapter 2 feel mythological ages ago even though in-fiction it's only been half a day, so Chapter 5 is all about resolving the epic-feeling sub-plot of a sub-plot of a sub-plot that's become the entire story now -- and it's as long as the first three chapters put together. Chapter 6 started in 2015 and has four pages so far. Until the last sentence I was going to guess Paranatural.
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It's not Lackadaisy either, that's in the middle of its third volume. Second seems to be about half again as long as the first, but that's not so bad. It's the rate of updates that makes it take so long, not the pacing.
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Alex, what is "the average of all story-based webcomics"?
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Ditocoaf posted:Chapter 2 is twice as long as Chapter 1. Chapter 3 is only a little longer than Chapter 2, but it's clearly only the first half of an arc that would have been a single chapter. Chapter 4 aims to finish the arc started in Chapter 3, but meanders and is mostly about a new character the author is really excited about. By now the events of Chapter 2 feel mythological ages ago even though in-fiction it's only been half a day, so Chapter 5 is all about resolving the epic-feeling sub-plot of a sub-plot of a sub-plot that's become the entire story now -- and it's as long as the first three chapters put together. Chapter 6 started in 2015 and has four pages so far. Much like the riddle of the sphinx, the answer is the life of a man.
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but what about homestuck
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Synthbuttrange posted:but what about homestuck Homestuck is merely the visible accretion disk of a black hole from which nothing emerges, except maybe Undertale.
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This is why I prefer reading Gag-a-Day webcomics instead. It's not that they're bad, but Story Based Webcomics move at a glacial pace.
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I rather think of it as a reverse oroboros; something that dives into its own rear end in a top hat, forever.
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