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Miftan: Mar 31, 2012; Terry knows what he can do with his bloody chocolate orange...

And covered up the cleavage.

What are they resisting? The occupation, I hope.

# ? Jan 23, 2018 10:55

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Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

This is going to go over well in US media:

https://twitter.com/talschneider/status/955747220908920832

# ? Jan 23, 2018 11:25

ded redd: Aug 1, 2010

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/955913165832949760

# ? Jan 23, 2018 22:38

Kim Jong Il: Aug 16, 2003

Absurd Alhazred posted:

What are you describing? What "shot" do you think Kadima (or, more accurately, Tsipi Livni) had?

Here is the actual legit process that happens as the law works in Israel: ALL of the parties go one after the other to the President, telling him who they will support. After they have ALL come to him (hasn't been a her yet), he goes and tasks whoever he concludes has a chance at the majority to build a coalition, based on the recommendations he'd been given. The only way there is a second shot is if whoever was tasked first had failed. This did not happen in 2009. Only one shot was given, to Netanyahu, and he pulled it off. There was no second shot. You are mistaken. You were mistaken. Admit you were mistaken.

Nothing you're describing disputes anything I've said at all. And it's clear in context that your argument is incoherent. The largest plurality party forming the coalition is the norm in the Knesset. That not happening in 2009 led to significant consequences.

# ? Jan 24, 2018 03:19

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Kim Jong Il posted:

Nothing you're describing disputes anything I've said at all. And it's clear in context that your argument is incoherent. The largest plurality party forming the coalition is the norm in the Knesset. That not happening in 2009 led to significant consequences.

Did you or did you not post the following?

Kim Jong Il posted:

I referenced 2009 - Kadima got the first crack at it and couldn't put a coalition together.

# ? Jan 24, 2018 03:35

Il Federale: Oct 10, 2012

Office Pig posted:

https://twitter.com/kenklippenstein/status/955913165832949760

Here's the actual article:

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/23/magazine/how-arafat-eluded-israels-assassination-machine.html

# ? Jan 24, 2018 05:22

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

https://twitter.com/NTarnopolsky/status/956163405253107712

# ? Jan 24, 2018 15:05

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

If you are Israeli and want to make some cash, you can become a bounty hunter and seek out the devious "infiltrators".
https://qz.com/1190856/israel-to-pay-civilians-to-arrest-african-migrants-and-refugees/
What a wonderful country.

Piss in Bibi's cornflakes by signing this petition:
https://secure.avaaz.org/campaign/en/free_ahed/

# ? Jan 28, 2018 02:52

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

There is no low to which they will not stoop:

https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/957687113461436416

# ? Jan 28, 2018 20:38

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

why would they want the history rewritten? kagame's still in power.

# ? Jan 28, 2018 20:51

Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

All I'm seeing on a Rwanda referendum is an amendment that specifies the Tutsi's were the victims? Kagame is a piece of poo poo in his own way, but the standard writing of the genocide reflects better on him than it does a lot of people.

# ? Jan 28, 2018 20:51

Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Barak elaborates a little here. His issue is with referring to it as the Tutsi genocide when thousands of Hutu resistors were killed as well. He has a point, but the way he's framing his arguments you'd think they were making the Hutu's out to be the victims or denying it happened or something.

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/957748460429725698?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:04

Groovelord Neato: Dec 6, 2014

yeah i had a feeling it'd be them attempting to erase the deaths of hutu moderates.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:07

A3th3r: Jul 27, 2013; success is a dream & achievements are the cream

Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu met with Indian Premier Narendra Modi this week. I guess they have a lot of common ground and there are a lot of trade advantages to doing these talks

http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/edit/india-and-israel-a-meeting-of-minds.html

# ? Jan 29, 2018 00:11

R. Mute: Jul 27, 2011

Absurd Alhazred posted:

There is no low to which they will not stoop:

https://twitter.com/Elizrael/status/957687113461436416

Israel criticises Poland over draft Holocaust legislation

Like rain on your wedding day.

# ? Jan 29, 2018 15:10

Nebalebadingdong: Jun 30, 2005; i made a video game.
why not give it a try!?

Randomly stumbled on this article today. I wonder if this guy's book is any good. Are there other books that might have details on how the occupation works at a nuts and bolts level, and how it copes with resistance and dissent?

https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/.premium.MAGAZINE-for-top-israeli-human-rights-lawyer-winning-is-a-double-edged-sword-1.5769069

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Michael Sfard likes to say that �The Wall and the Gate� was born on the Jerusalem-Tel Aviv Highway. The human rights attorney�s new book, which is subtitled �Israel, Palestine, and the Legal Battle for Human Rights� (Metropolitan/Holt Books; 526 pages; $35), deals with the history of Israeli litigation on behalf of the Palestinians over a half-century of occupation. For about half of that time, Sfard has been one of the key players in this drama, representing Palestinian individuals and communities in challenging the expropriation and theft of their lands, attempted deportations, Israeli torture and administrative detention of �terror� suspects.

It was during the hundreds of drives back from the capital, after appearing before the Supreme Court, that, Sfard says, �all the tension that comes along with a hearing and with litigating evaporates, and I could unwind and begin thinking, okay, what have I accomplished today?�

For a long time Sfard had been aware of a dissonance between his goal of attaining relief for individual Palestinian clients and his desire to force a change in Israeli policies. A telling example is his most dramatic legal victory, when in 2007 the High Court rejected the state�s claim that the route of one segment of the security barrier erected during the second intifada had been based solely on security considerations. Instead, it accepted Sfard�s argument that the authorities had allowed the desire to include more West Bank land for settlements within the Israeli side of the wall to prevail, even to the detriment of security-military needs.

The 2007 case involved the encroachment of the barrier on the Palestinian village of Bil�in to allow for the planned construction of a new neighborhood in the adjacent Jewish settlement of Modi�in Ilit. Although the court did not accept the claim of Sfard and his colleagues that the very construction of the barrier was, as he writes in the book, �an act of dispossession and a breach of international law,� � it refused to rule on the overall legality of the fence � it did order the state to reroute the fence so as to reduce the area expropriated from the Palestinian village by half. Combined with other similar cases pursued by Sfard and other lawyers, the High Court reduced the total amount of West Bank land taken from Palestinians for the barrier by a similar proportion.

Sfard quickly recognized the double-edged nature of such victories. Yes, the damage wrought by the fence on individual Palestinian communities was lessened, but it came at the expense of the court giving its legal imprimatur to the barrier as a whole. And because he and his barrister colleagues were participating in the process, by necessity on Israeli terms � even though they resisted the temptation to propose alternate, less-invasive routes for fence segments they were challenging � he says he often found himself wondering whether he had become an involuntary collaborator in the creation of the barrier.

�I remember taking friends from abroad to see the separation fence,� he says in an interview with Haaretz. �We drove along the route, and I found myself saying, �I�m one of the architects of this fence.� I explained that it had become a joint venture. Not from the beginning. But like with many other struggles, the system, whether it be the government or the army or whatever authority is involved, digests the human rights actor and makes him part of the process.�

Hence the soul-searching on the highway to Tel Aviv and the decision to examine the questions being raised by way of a book.

With the help of a grant from George Soros� Open Society Foundation, Sfard took a two-year leave of absence from his small Tel Aviv law office (he returned a half-dozen times during that period to appear in court in pending cases) and moved with his family to New York. Over this period, he wrote the book in Hebrew (Keter-Modan is scheduled to publish it this spring) and then worked with the translator, Maya Johnston, and the editor, Riva Hocherman, on the English edition, which was published last week.

Sfard, 46, grew up in Jerusalem and attended law school at the Hebrew University there. His parents were Polish dissidents who emigrated from that country to Israel in the late 1960s, after his father was released from a short prison term for his activism against the communist regime. Sfard was raised in the Ma�alot Dafna neighborhood, in a household filled with constant banter about politics and culture. His maternal grandfather was the late Polish-born sociologist Zygmunt Bauman.

Despite the unqualified Ashkenazi credentials, Sfard says that the family traces its origins back to the expulsion of Jews from Spain in 1492. He believes, however, that the family name comes not from the Hebrew name for Spain, Sfarad, but rather is a kabbalistic anagram of the word pardes (orchard).

Sfard did his regular military service as a medic, but in 1998, he refused to do reserve duty in occupied Hebron in the West Bank and found himself sentenced to three weeks in an army prison.

He had been active in political affairs at least as early as high school, but decided to study law after concluding that one couldn�t be a politician and remain honest, as he told Aviva Lori in this paper in 2005. An opportunity to do a legal internship with human rights-law giant Avigdor Feldman presented itself in 1999, he jumped at it. The internship turned into a regular job and Sfard continuing working with Feldman until he left to open his own practice in 2004.

It is at his office in south Tel Aviv that I met him a few days before his departure for a two-week book tour in the United States. The office is bright and airy, but a decrepit elevator carried me up four flights from a grungy entrance where one might expect to find a used syringe or two � if the space was lit. The location reflects Sfard�s decision to forgo a lucrative career representing corporate clients: As he writes in the book, paraphrasing Rabbi Abraham Joshua Heschel, �some are guilty of the occupation, but all are responsible for it and responsibility creates a moral duty that is incumbent on members of the collective and the primary moral duty is to fight to end the injustice.�

Sfard�s life seems to be organized around this belief, but he is far from self-righteous or preachy. He has a good sense of humor and a self-awareness that allows him to come off as neither full of himself nor falsely modest.

Sfard is married to Nirith Ben-Horin, a former fashion designer who today is a social worker assisting children and families at risk. They have two sons, aged 12 and 6.

You have written that you are certain the occupation will come to an end some day. Can you imagine a point in the future when you can no longer say that? When you have to acknowledge that the battle is lost?

�The short answer is no. The long answer is, absolutely no.

�Look, people mistake my insistence that there is a reasonable path for change with optimism. But optimism is a belief, and this is not a matter of belief. It�s a matter of analyzing reality, politics and so on. In the near future, I don�t think things will change. But my understanding of history, of politics, of how people behave, is that regimes that are fundamentally subjugating people, stripping them of rights, especially groups of people, are regimes that by definition are not sustainable. And a regime of this kind has to keep on nurturing and investing in the domination practices in order to keep things from exploding.�

Sfard says this conviction is one of the things that separates him from �some of my colleagues on the Israeli far-radical left: I think that Israeli society still has the genuine liberal pluralist values that it is based on. Which are under attack. We have this blessed history, where this country was established by mixing values � contradictory values � but some of them were genuinely this. And this makes the instability even worse.

�One of the metaphors I use is of a split personality. From the days that the Zionist movement was created, it included contradictory values. And there�s some kind of a status quo that was reached between those competing values throughout the years. During the last decade, this status quo was shattered. But what we�re witnessing is not a new status quo; what we�re witnessing is a fierce battle.

�Is there a risk that we will lose the war? Of course there is a risk. But there is no point where I, as part of this society, will say: I give up. Where I say, okay, I am willing to live in a society that doesn�t even aspire to be a democracy, where�s there�s no freedom of expression, where there are no basic rights and it�s based on fascist and racist ideology. No, I will always keep on fighting � as long as I�m allowed to, as long as I�m able to.

How do you define your identity, Zionist, Jewish, religious? And when you imagine your boys reaching draft age, do you still make a distinction between service in the army in general and service in the territories?

�It�s getting harder and harder to make that distinction. And I feel that I would not like my kids to go the army, in the current state of affairs. I would like them to contribute to Israeli society, and I think that they should, but I think that our biggest national project today is colonization and subjugation of the Palestinians, and being in the army is being part of it.

�There are so many definitions to Zionism. But if Zionism is the belief or the desire that the Jewish people will have a place where they can exercise their right of self-determination as a nation, and that place is here, then I�m a Zionist. If being a Zionist means thinking that this should come at the expense of other people who live here, and they should become second-class citizens, then I�m not a Zionist.�

Let�s talk about the Supreme Court. It is under fire from both politicians and the public, with the often-made claim that it�s trying to take the place of the legislature, and that it has to be reined in. How badly do you think the court is threatened today?

�Probably the most successful lie or myth, in 50 years of Israeli history, is the idea of the court as leftist, as pro-Palestinian, as a human rights activist. There�s nothing further from the truth than that. If there is one predictive parameter � probably the biggest � for any of the Supreme Court�s rulings, it�s what does the security establishment think about the case at hand.

�The people who are trashing the Supreme Court do not understand that to a very large degree, they owe the settlement enterprise�s existence to the Supreme Court. They owe the 50 years of occupation that is still ongoing, and its stability, to the court. Likewise, the people who trash the United Nations do not understand that we owe that institution our existence in international law as a nation, as a state.

�And after having said all that, the court is in big jeopardy these days. And I think it�s not just at risk because it�s being targeted by legislators and by right-wing circles. But also because it is being changed from within. And the fact that in recent years, some cases were decided in ways that no court in the last 50 years would have ruled. For example, the kosher stamp that the court has given to the anti-boycott law. For example, the dismissal of the cases against the Nakba law and of the acceptance committees in small communities law. And even recently, the Supreme Court ruling that overturned a 40-year-old principle that you cannot allocate private Palestinian land for settlement purposes. Probably the only existing measurable restriction on land grabs was shattered in that decision. So, we have a different court today than we had 15 years ago. And that�s the biggest risk.�

What do you say about the government�s plan to deport some 37,000 African asylum seekers from Israel?

�I have to say that this is something I cannot understand. I can understand why leaders and people target Palestinians. I don�t accept it � I think people are brainwashed. I think that the Palestinian civilians are not our enemies. But I understand that there is a clash between us.

�But the only explanation that I can find for the deportation [of the Africans] is that they have brown skin. And I�m terrified by that insight. Everything about the asylum seekers� story and about Jewish history should lead to the conclusion that we are the first among all nations that should have embraced them, like Begin did with the Vietnamese [refugees beginning in 1977], and it would be in line with Jewish morality, lessons from Jewish history, and it would be the best thing Israel could do for public relations in the world.

�They are not in conflict with us. They are not changing our society. They enrich our society. And the only explanation is that they have dark skin. Because we have dozens, thousands, of foreigners without dark skin who work here, and no one is thinking about deporting them. On the contrary, we want them, because they work in jobs that Israelis do not want to work in.

�So, why [the Africans]? With the things that they went through? It makes me cringe with shame.

�And so, the only explanation is that we have leaders that are unabashed to use the lowest and most horrendous tricks in the book, and that is incitement against the person who is different.

We know that! This is us! We were there! We had the long nose, we had the peyot [sidelocks], we dressed differently, and that made us the monsters, the bloodsuckers, those who are chasing our women, are soiling our purity. And this is what the sons and daughters of the survivors of this are now doing, the same thing to people who came from war-torn countries. For me, it�s worse in what it says about our society, worse than what we do to the Palestinians.

�But I am encouraged by what we are seeing in recent days. It�s not going smoothly. And I hope this will only grow stronger, this uprising of civil society.�

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Xander77: Apr 6, 2009; Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.

Just to emphasize a particular point above - there are at least twice as many asylum seekers from the former Soviet Union in Israel as there are African refugees. And the vast majority of FSU clients I've talked to were fairly frank about the fact that they could go back home at any time without fearing for their safety. For some reason, these "infiltrators" do not constitute a major national emergency.

# ? Jan 30, 2018 10:46

A3th3r: Jul 27, 2013; success is a dream & achievements are the cream

Xander77 posted:

Just to emphasize a particular point above - there are at least twice as many asylum seekers from the former Soviet Union in Israel as there are African refugees. And the vast majority of FSU clients I've talked to were fairly frank about the fact that they could go back home at any time without fearing for their safety. For some reason, these "infiltrators" do not constitute a major national emergency.

Agreed - I think that they have a lot of immigration there and they have a system for integrating them into society that works

# ? Jan 31, 2018 12:20

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

From the ME thread:

Volkerball posted:

This article came out today and now Egyptian state mouthpieces are scrambling to legitimize Sisi's anti-Israel cred.

https://twitter.com/3arabawy/status/959867965297524736?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1

Israel has conducted 100 operations against insurgents in the Sinai over the past 2 years at the request of the Egyptian government.

Edit:

Yay, another war in Gaza might be coming! :smith:

https://twitter.com/MichaelShuval/status/960136654450241537

Absurd Alhazred fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Feb 4, 2018

# ? Feb 3, 2018 23:53

Kim Jong Il: Aug 16, 2003

And there are other articles stating that Israel is terrified by the situation in Gaza and considering direct aid, although both could well be true.

Xander77 posted:

Just to emphasize a particular point above - there are at least twice as many asylum seekers from the former Soviet Union in Israel as there are African refugees. And the vast majority of FSU clients I've talked to were fairly frank about the fact that they could go back home at any time without fearing for their safety. For some reason, these "infiltrators" do not constitute a major national emergency.

I'm of course 100% opposed to the African deportations, but Shas unironically would love to deport all of those European refugees.

# ? Feb 4, 2018 19:28

XMNN: Apr 26, 2008; I am incredibly stupid

Absurd Alhazred posted:

From the ME thread:

Edit:

Yay, another war in Gaza might be coming!

https://twitter.com/MichaelShuval/status/960136654450241537

the west bank has disappeared

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Kanine: Aug 5, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

hey question, is zionism actually able to be divorced from the racist settler apartheid state that israel is or is there no meaningful distinction between zionism and "supporting the israeli governments ethnic cleansing"

# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:28

Friendly Factory: Apr 19, 2007; I can't stand the wailing of women

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Friendly Factory fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jun 4, 2018

# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:35

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Kanine posted:

hey question, is zionism actually able to be divorced from the racist settler apartheid state that israel is or is there no meaningful distinction between zionism and "supporting the israeli governments ethnic cleansing"

Erm. Depends how you define zionism?

It's real easy to conceive of even a Jewish-centric state that, you know, allows Palestine to literally exist, never mind various currently-implausible ideas where Israel A) doesn't treat it's non-Jewish citizens as second-class and B) continues to be a haven for Jews in their notional historic homeland.

tldr: yes

Friendly Factory posted:

Of course there's a distinction. Zionism was just a response to a long (long, long) period of antisemitism in Europe. Whether or not you think a two-state solution is unfeasible in the present, it was certainly possible before the Palestinian Civil War to have a Jewish state and a Palestinian one side-by-side. A number of factors prevented this from happening, from extremist groups to the ineffectual exit and lack of any kind of real plan by the British. Zionism as it exists now is just being misrepresented by an immoral government in Israel. I don't even feel as if Zionism directly contradicts a moral one-state solution, so long as adequate protections for Jewish populations are codified into law. Of course, they'd have to do the same for Palestinians, but you should see what I'm saying.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:36

fool of sound: Oct 10, 2012

In a vacuum it�s possible, in that if you had a state of sufficient size, in uncontested land, that consisted ethnically and religiously only of Jewish people, you could have an ethical Jewish safe haven state.

Once you introduce complications, that kinda goes out the window. You can�t really have a multiethnic/multireligious state that explicitly favors a particular ethnicity and religion without implicitly endorsing the violent sustaining of that privilege.

If your definition of Zionism doesn�t require a specifically Jewish state it�s also possible, I suppose.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:37

Kanine: Aug 5, 2014; by Nyc_Tattoo

fool_of_sound posted:

In a vacuum it�s possible, in that if you had a state of sufficient size, in uncontested land, that consisted ethnically and religiously only of Jewish people, you could have an ethical Jewish safe haven state.

Once you introduce complications, that kinda goes out the window. You can�t really have a multiethnic/multireligious state that explicitly favors a particular ethnicity and religion without implicitly endorsing the violent sustaining of that privilege.

If your definition of Zionism doesn�t require a specifically Jewish state it�s also possible, I suppose.

is it even zionism at that point?

# ? Feb 7, 2018 00:59

Friendly Factory: Apr 19, 2007; I can't stand the wailing of women

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Friendly Factory fucked around with this message at 07:12 on Jun 4, 2018

# ? Feb 7, 2018 01:00

Goatse James Bond: Mar 28, 2010; If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Friendly Factory posted:

Yes? Zionism seeks a state of safety for the Jewish nation. It doesn't have to be a specifically Jewish-only state.

heck i'd argue that the United States approaches being a Zionist state (even in the Age of Trump), it's just that a lot of Jews internationally got a little nervous in the late 30s and entire 40s in particular

if zionism were disconnected from geography, anyway, which for the purposes of this discussion it can't, in any reasonably recent historical sense it's centered around a SPECIFIC Jewish homeland

edit: that one Soviet oblast was absolutely 100% a zionist project though

# ? Feb 7, 2018 01:17

Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Finally mother fucker

https://twitter.com/i24NEWS_EN/status/961311194270306305?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1

# ? Feb 7, 2018 20:45

Good Tuesday: Feb 13, 2012; Anyone can be racist, even me.

Don't argue with me about gun control or I'll call you out on your racial heritage!

Well that's something. What is constitionally available to Israel at this poi-

Israel doesn't have a constitution, does it?

# ? Feb 7, 2018 21:51

FlamingLiberal: Jan 18, 2009; Would you like to play a game?

Doesn�t he have to resign or something because he got charged? I thought someone said awhile ago that was the case.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 22:24

Xander77: Apr 6, 2009; Fuck it then. For another pit sandwich and some 'tater salad, I'll post a few more.

Good Tuesday posted:

Well that's something. What is constitionally available to Israel at this poi-

Israel doesn't have a constitution, does it?

We have a set of Basic Laws that substitutes for one.

# ? Feb 7, 2018 22:50

Nameless_Steve: Oct 18, 2010; "There are fair questions about shooting non-lethally at retreating civilian combatants."

Preen Dog posted:

You could buy some muffins at the supermarket and some rear end in a top hat might accost you, claiming that he had "dibs" on them. Because he saw them first, touched them first. Put them in his basket and then took them out, and then later decided that he wanted them, but you had already purchased them. Isn't it nice that reality disregards this moral nonsense? It seems confusing.

There is nothing funny about stealing a meal from Neil McBeal the Navy Seal.

# ? Feb 8, 2018 23:06

Cat Mattress: Jul 14, 2012; by Cyrano4747

Crossposting from map thread.

System Metternich posted:

https://twitter.com/idfspokesperson/status/961673071726923776

System Metternich posted:

lol, they should own up to the stupid poo poo they wrote

# ? Feb 8, 2018 23:40

Polygynous: Dec 13, 2006; welp

They fixed it, sort of. Lebanon and Israel are still somehow 164 feet apart.

# ? Feb 9, 2018 02:25

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/961959189588430850

# ? Feb 9, 2018 14:46

Absurd Alhazred: Mar 27, 2010; by Athanatos

Double posting because potentially newsworthy:

https://twitter.com/BarakRavid/status/962204647044927488

# ? Feb 10, 2018 07:04

Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

Not over yet.

https://twitter.com/JettGoldsmith/s...90%7Ctwterm%5E1

# ? Feb 10, 2018 08:07

emanresu tnuocca: Sep 2, 2011; by Athanatos

Syrian/Iranian forces took down an Israeli F16i, I think this is the first time an Israeli aircraft has been downed in a few decades.

https://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-5103264,00.html

Interesting.

# ? Feb 10, 2018 08:26

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# ? May 15, 2024 06:05

Volkerball: Oct 15, 2009; by FactsAreUseless

https://twitter.com/ShehabiFares/status/962222521985662976?ref_src=twcamp%5Ecopy%7Ctwsrc%5Eandroid%7Ctwgr%5Ecopy%7Ctwcon%5E7090%7Ctwterm%5E1

This is a Syrian MP. There's ongoing strikes reported in Damascus. This is the most tense I can recall things being between Israel and Syria since the revolution. News is coming in fast and heavy.

# ? Feb 10, 2018 08:30

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